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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 25 2015 03:46 GMT
#1901
On April 21 2015 02:24 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2015 02:15 Holyflare wrote:
On April 21 2015 02:12 GlowingBear wrote:
On April 21 2015 02:05 Holyflare wrote:
Like you use all this surface level shit and none of it is content right now. How am I discrediting vivax's stance on me? Quote the relevant posts where I discredit him that isn't using logic. It's impossible. Everything he's said about me I've countered with my thought process and logic behind it. Yet you just ignore everything and write it off in a terrible false summation.


Being AFK and suddenly voting on Koshi doesn't make him Mafia. If that was so, sicklucker would be right on Artanis, as you said it was his motive. The same goes for palmar who AFK voted Artanis. So your logic is based on a wrong basis. And you use this to call Vivax Mafia, trying to convince people he is scummy. By doing this, you bring suspicions on his motivation for voting you. This is discrediting.

And I will again refer to the case. If sicklucker didn't scumread Artanis, he wouldn't arrive to the conclusion he was shot by the vigi. Simply as that.


what the fuck are you writing? When did I say being afk and voting on koshi made vivax mafia? I just outlined reasons why vivax was mafia and none of it is contained in this post.


To elaborate, Vivax's is mafia because when he accuses me of being scummy and discrediting people who don't vote for me he quotes post that aren't scummy in the slightest and don't needlessly discredit, they quite blatently point out scummy actions. This could just be awful vivax. However, vivax then says that I'm only pushing easy mislynches, such as LS and Koshi. He then tries to make my play fit a scummy narrative. He said I only lynched LS based on meta, which really isn't very true at all AND YOU SHOULD KNOW THIS BECAUSE YOU 10/10'D MY CASE YOU SCUMMY FUCK. Then he says i'm pushing an easy mislynch in koshi WHO HE IS FUCKING VOTING. If my pushes are only on scummy lurkers and he is doing the same thing but 10x worse then why does that make me mafia if he is town? Surely I should be capable of doing the same thing as him? Regardless, none of my play is focused on pushing scummy lurkers. I made cases on people I want to lynch. I made a case on LS, I made a case on you GB, I wanted to policy Koshi because I wasn't sure what alignment he was and was being a douche. None of this makes me mafia, it in fact shows i'm exploring possibilities and making cases which makes me town.

Vivax doesn't comment on any of these cases he just afk's (he has 0 pages made since d1) and returns to vote for the person he said I was pushing as a free lurker mislynch (koshi). He asks questions that aren't relevant in crunch time, such as him asking "why did you change your posting style this game" instead of replying to the case about LS at all during the eod. Today he has only asked me questions that I actually answered just 1 page before he asked the question. Twice. His read on LS was "because he was honest" and then just afk'd and let the lynch happen without giving any shits while he just voted palmar (who is a scummy free lurker mislynch lolollol hypocrite). Basically vivax is writing me into a mafia narrative that he is exceptionally guilty of and ignores everything I write and just calls me mafia while he afk's and you follow him.

WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
April 25 2015 03:46 GMT
#1902
On April 21 2015 04:06 Vivax wrote:
Meh, I'll just trust you on this one cause I need to sleep and HF isn't happening. I doubt HF will be able to look townier over the course of the game, didn't work in Carol. I'll make sure it doesn't work.

##Unvote
##Vote Oats

This is also....like he didn't even consider Oats at all, he just pushed HF all day and then we had to go he was completely comfortable sheeping me despite me announcing in thread how non-confident I was.

The loafery kush snipe throws me off just a little. On one hand if he's town, picking up on that is super genius (even if it's not true, the fact that he thought of it lol) and the smurf sniping in this way looks towny because it showcases kush's scumgame pretty well if true. On the other hand if he's scum WITH loafery he could simply know this and be bussing? I dunno that feels like a stretch. Maybe I just ignore the loafery/kush stuff 'cause as fun as it is it's super weird.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
April 25 2015 03:47 GMT
#1903
On April 25 2015 12:46 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2015 02:24 Holyflare wrote:
On April 21 2015 02:15 Holyflare wrote:
On April 21 2015 02:12 GlowingBear wrote:
On April 21 2015 02:05 Holyflare wrote:
Like you use all this surface level shit and none of it is content right now. How am I discrediting vivax's stance on me? Quote the relevant posts where I discredit him that isn't using logic. It's impossible. Everything he's said about me I've countered with my thought process and logic behind it. Yet you just ignore everything and write it off in a terrible false summation.


Being AFK and suddenly voting on Koshi doesn't make him Mafia. If that was so, sicklucker would be right on Artanis, as you said it was his motive. The same goes for palmar who AFK voted Artanis. So your logic is based on a wrong basis. And you use this to call Vivax Mafia, trying to convince people he is scummy. By doing this, you bring suspicions on his motivation for voting you. This is discrediting.

And I will again refer to the case. If sicklucker didn't scumread Artanis, he wouldn't arrive to the conclusion he was shot by the vigi. Simply as that.


what the fuck are you writing? When did I say being afk and voting on koshi made vivax mafia? I just outlined reasons why vivax was mafia and none of it is contained in this post.


To elaborate, Vivax's is mafia because when he accuses me of being scummy and discrediting people who don't vote for me he quotes post that aren't scummy in the slightest and don't needlessly discredit, they quite blatently point out scummy actions. This could just be awful vivax. However, vivax then says that I'm only pushing easy mislynches, such as LS and Koshi. He then tries to make my play fit a scummy narrative. He said I only lynched LS based on meta, which really isn't very true at all AND YOU SHOULD KNOW THIS BECAUSE YOU 10/10'D MY CASE YOU SCUMMY FUCK. Then he says i'm pushing an easy mislynch in koshi WHO HE IS FUCKING VOTING. If my pushes are only on scummy lurkers and he is doing the same thing but 10x worse then why does that make me mafia if he is town? Surely I should be capable of doing the same thing as him? Regardless, none of my play is focused on pushing scummy lurkers. I made cases on people I want to lynch. I made a case on LS, I made a case on you GB, I wanted to policy Koshi because I wasn't sure what alignment he was and was being a douche. None of this makes me mafia, it in fact shows i'm exploring possibilities and making cases which makes me town.

Vivax doesn't comment on any of these cases he just afk's (he has 0 pages made since d1) and returns to vote for the person he said I was pushing as a free lurker mislynch (koshi). He asks questions that aren't relevant in crunch time, such as him asking "why did you change your posting style this game" instead of replying to the case about LS at all during the eod. Today he has only asked me questions that I actually answered just 1 page before he asked the question. Twice. His read on LS was "because he was honest" and then just afk'd and let the lynch happen without giving any shits while he just voted palmar (who is a scummy free lurker mislynch lolollol hypocrite). Basically vivax is writing me into a mafia narrative that he is exceptionally guilty of and ignores everything I write and just calls me mafia while he afk's and you follow him.


Except your problem is you've called basically everybody mafia at some point or another this game and I never have any idea who you actually think is on a scumteam at any given point in time.

Who is your scumteam RIGHT NOW, and let's go from there.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
April 25 2015 03:48 GMT
#1904
On April 25 2015 12:44 Holyflare wrote:
Fuck you wave

Stop it.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
April 25 2015 03:49 GMT
#1905
Like, either you want me to talk/help or you want me to stop, but I'm not going to sit around and be berated. I'm perfectly fine to just sit on loafery all day because I know that's where scum is and not doing anything else.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 25 2015 03:49 GMT
#1906
You/vivax/loafery/va/onegu

My scum team has been the same variation the entire game dude. It hasn't changed at all. It's always been you/gb/vivax/loafery while you casually discredited everything i pursued on mafia.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
April 25 2015 03:50 GMT
#1907
On April 25 2015 12:49 Holyflare wrote:
You/vivax/loafery/va/onegu

My scum team has been the same variation the entire game dude. It hasn't changed at all. It's always been you/gb/vivax/loafery while you casually discredited everything i pursued on mafia.

Yeah except there's two people now. Not four, not five.
Pick two people.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 25 2015 03:50 GMT
#1908
Why did you ignore these points before???
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 25 2015 03:51 GMT
#1909
On April 25 2015 12:50 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2015 12:49 Holyflare wrote:
You/vivax/loafery/va/onegu

My scum team has been the same variation the entire game dude. It hasn't changed at all. It's always been you/gb/vivax/loafery while you casually discredited everything i pursued on mafia.

Yeah except there's two people now. Not four, not five.
Pick two people.


The top part is obviously sarcasm. -.-
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
April 25 2015 03:53 GMT
#1910
On April 25 2015 12:50 Holyflare wrote:
Why did you ignore these points before???

HF I can truly say to you I don't care how butthurt you are about being ignored.
I get ignored every single game. Get over it.

Fact remains I found Vivax towny for the first day or two and I was looking elsewhere to scum, and didn't find most of your cases convincing/thought you were scum. If that's not good enough for you then keep your vote on me and fuck off, or work with me productively.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 25 2015 03:55 GMT
#1911
What on earth do you think I'm doing? You're one of my scum reads and I'm asking you why you ignored the now read you are pushing in the thread.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
April 25 2015 03:57 GMT
#1912
On April 25 2015 12:55 Holyflare wrote:
What on earth do you think I'm doing? You're one of my scum reads and I'm asking you why you ignored the now read you are pushing in the thread.

And I gave you an answer. Getting butthurt about it doesn't help.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
April 25 2015 04:00 GMT
#1913
I mean the point remains HF people are not going to vote for me today so you're going to have to choose elsewhere, so start talking to me about where you think you're going to end up and why?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
loafery
Profile Joined September 2014
142 Posts
April 25 2015 04:01 GMT
#1914
Lets try the fos approach my 2 scum are vivax and va

reasons poe

if hf is scum he deserves to win
wave was towny from d1 so first impressions have a lasting impression
onegu well lets believe he was rbed.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 25 2015 04:01 GMT
#1915
People will follow my vote wherever it lands. It's the only way to play triple mylo. I'm going to vote you if vivax steps up and posts otherwise I'll vote him.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
April 25 2015 04:01 GMT
#1916
Good analysis loafery.
See you in 12h
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
April 25 2015 04:03 GMT
#1917
On April 25 2015 13:01 Holyflare wrote:
People will follow my vote wherever it lands. It's the only way to play triple mylo. I'm going to vote you if vivax steps up and posts otherwise I'll vote him.

Then if you don't plan on bothering with any of this, then why am I here doing anything?
Onegu and VA don't agree with you about me being scum so you're welcome to fight that battle if you want to, but I'm certainly not.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 25 2015 04:03 GMT
#1918
On April 25 2015 13:01 loafery wrote:
Lets try the fos approach my 2 scum are vivax and va

reasons poe

if hf is scum he deserves to win
wave was towny from d1 so first impressions have a lasting impression
onegu well lets believe he was rbed.


Answer me this. Where did all of these meta posts come from such as saying it's like carol all over again?

If you looked up all of these games in depth then why don't you care more??
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 25 2015 04:04 GMT
#1919
On April 25 2015 13:03 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2015 13:01 Holyflare wrote:
People will follow my vote wherever it lands. It's the only way to play triple mylo. I'm going to vote you if vivax steps up and posts otherwise I'll vote him.

Then if you don't plan on bothering with any of this, then why am I here doing anything?
Onegu and VA don't agree with you about me being scum so you're welcome to fight that battle if you want to, but I'm certainly not.


You're welcome to persuade me you're not mafia. Just carry on and ignore me.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
April 25 2015 04:06 GMT
#1920
On April 25 2015 13:04 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2015 13:03 WaveofShadow wrote:
On April 25 2015 13:01 Holyflare wrote:
People will follow my vote wherever it lands. It's the only way to play triple mylo. I'm going to vote you if vivax steps up and posts otherwise I'll vote him.

Then if you don't plan on bothering with any of this, then why am I here doing anything?
Onegu and VA don't agree with you about me being scum so you're welcome to fight that battle if you want to, but I'm certainly not.


You're welcome to persuade me you're not mafia. Just carry on and ignore me.

I don't feel like adding another 20 pages of uselessness to my filter.
Loafery is by far the smarter lynch here and once again, if you think that Vivax and I are scum and you have the whole game, why are you bothering with him and trying to get him to talk?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
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