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On April 02 2015 03:06 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2015 03:03 kitaman27 wrote:On April 02 2015 03:01 rsoultin wrote:On April 02 2015 02:58 kitaman27 wrote:On April 02 2015 02:56 justanothertownie wrote:On April 02 2015 02:18 Holyflare wrote:
Trfel is probably working with mafia right now. Damdred is lying about items and not playing. Could you into a little more detail about the damdred thing? If LS is indeed town cop and Damdred does not have a win condition where he is removed from the game when LS dies, do you think a mafia Damdred claims that role knowing he will need a new excuse in a day or two? if a mafia damdred claims a role contingent on ls living...then the mafia is unlikely to kill ls. that's kind of elementary. ls' role is more dangerous if he's dead as i understand the way it functions I haven't ever come across a group of mafia that leave a claimed cop alive and unroleblocked for the sake of a single player's excuse. kita all his checks get revealed when ls dies
This wasn't very smart to say.
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@Rsoul, yes to the question I PM'd you?
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On April 02 2015 05:32 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2015 05:32 rsoultin wrote:On April 02 2015 05:31 Alakaslam wrote:
Why is Bart naked slam if this is important you're going to have to be less cryptic -_- Look at the picture he posted. It isn't important.
Better leave that up to the experts. Need Inspector Lestrade to weigh in.
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lol nope 
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well first off...I don't have a bad reputation. Secondly, you assume bad reputation = mafia? Did you confirm with mods?
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On April 02 2015 06:12 Damdred wrote:
The other person I sent it to told me he would rather me post it in the thread right before resolution and I know resolution took an hour and I was watching the timer and posted it then he laughed at me and told me I still had an hour <<.
And no I don't have a concrete answer that bad reputation is 100% mafia.
Seems like something you'd want to check....no?
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The creator of the item just confirms to a obvious town player via PM that they created the item. If no one comes forward, we assume mafia created it.
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On April 02 2015 06:16 Damdred wrote:
Honestly kita, you know you are 100% town so why are we getting two vastly different results from the item? Does it make rsoultin mafia to you?
Well apart from this item, I'm town on rsoul so not really.
If a town player created it, they can explain how it works and we go from there. Otherwise, mafia obviously created it and we ignore it completely.
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My reputation is pretty neutral if it is based on character name. Dunno why it could be considered bad.
And how do you determine the reputation of something like sicklucker's character that is completely made up/
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Anyways, a town player will come forward if they created the item.
Otherwise, don't waste the last 30 minutes of the cycle looking for possible mafia connections with me or reading my filter because you're tell can be used better elsewhere.
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Has anyone heard from Trfel in the last couple hours. He ignored me PM...probably so he could conveniently avoid the double lynch ability.
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On April 02 2015 06:28 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2015 06:26 kitaman27 wrote:
Anyways, a town player will come forward if they created the item.
Otherwise, don't waste the last 30 minutes of the cycle looking for possible mafia connections with me or reading my filter because you're tell can be used better elsewhere. Doesn't the entirely exclude the 3P possibility?
I'm not 3P.
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On April 02 2015 06:29 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2015 06:28 ExO_ wrote:On April 02 2015 06:26 kitaman27 wrote:
Anyways, a town player will come forward if they created the item.
Otherwise, don't waste the last 30 minutes of the cycle looking for possible mafia connections with me or reading my filter because you're tell can be used better elsewhere. Doesn't the entirely exclude the 3P possibility? I'm not 3P.
Oh you mean if 3P created the item.
Well if that 3P player just claims as town creating the item. If they aren't willing to come forward, then they obviously can't be trusted to begin with,
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Leaning Town
LightningStrike - Has a towny sounding role claim. I'm still assuming he gets shot at some point so I haven't looked at him a ton.
Onegu - Claimed role in thread and tries to work with cleric to produce gun on d1. Transparency typically a townie trait...though it would be nice to figure out why his role didn't work n1.
justanothertownie - Active in PMs and trying to solve things. Would re-evaluate closer to to lylo, but seems town.
rsoultin - Seems town. Would be another that I'd re-evaluate closer to lylo. Maybe damdred's item tells us something.
Towny/Null
WaveofShadow - Has a day vig shot and PMs others asking how it should be used. It's possible that he was looking for people to tell him to shoot hapa, but like I said earlier if I had his role I'd simply use it on whoever is the biggest threat to mafia, which wasn't an afk hapa.
Koshi - Town based on activity and giving out reads and pushing them often. If there is a mafia playing the endgame role, then he likely is the one for paranoia reasons that I'm not going to entertain right now.
Half the Sky - Provided a claim pretty easily. Mafia typically don't give out information they don't need to since it comes back to hurt them if they're caught lying. I haven't looked at her content wise in a long time. I probably should do my due diligence if I survive the night.
Keirathi - According to JAT, he was pretty willing to cooperate in solving things via PM.
Snarfs - Not going to deny its anything other than his willingness to claim his role early.
Crossfire99 - As I said earlier, he bread crumbed strongbad so if Moriarty is mafia like we assume, that would mean mafia is checking a different mafia player who is actually strongbad, which makes both xfire and that other mafia player outed if any role cop reveals the true strongbad. His actual posts have little value and he hasn't done a ton to try to help town aside from the fake death and I was scummy null on him before the death, but I'd put others higher on the chopping board.
Blazinghand - Well the whole Lestrade/Moriarty thing suggest town if Moriarty is mafia. Moriarty hasn't claimed so that seems to be the assumption to make for now. Thought he looked mafia on day one based on the quotes I posted.
Null
ObiWanShinobi - Claims a role that was mafia in a previous teamliquid game. Not sure how to interpret this. At one people he was asking several times if people were around to chat, which he also did in one of his mafia games. Really small sample size here though. When we did exchange PM's he asked me about my mason ability, which was about the least relevant thing in the game considering everyone was a d2 mason. He did give up the claim willingly, so there is that.
Exo_ - Maybe townie null. Admits to own the day ending thing so thats a plus for him.
Other
Ran out of time on these two (I blame damdred). One or both may be mafia by process of elimination.
yamato77
VisceraEyes
Leaning Mafia
batsnacks - I honestly can't remember a game where I've read him as town, but I still think he is mafia. Shows no willingness to cooperate in PM land. In the thread, he doesn't have any town tells. He is going after easy targets, that a lot of other people would consider 50/50 coinflip reasons. Seems like he is picking the side of the coin he wants to view things as.
Sepulchre - He goes out of his way to tell me that he spent his entire day on xfire post flip analysis and how it is all wasted. Seems like it may be a situation where he is trying to push the idea that he couldn't possibly have known that xfire wasn't actually mafia (if xfire is indeed not actually mafia).
VayneAuthority - Claims a plansewalker role similar to Hapa, but only reveals two roles. I questioned the claim because it didn't make sense, especially compared to Hapa's flip. He explains there was a third role, but it is a "passive that he doesn't know how it works so he can't share". That seems pretty sketchy especially because he was withholding that part upon first claiming. I didn't like how he posted how I was 100% town and "I thought kita had a brain but apparently he is brainwashed too" when I first suggested how he likely had more than two roles. He changed his tune when I provided evidence that he had more than two. A lot of this comes down to whether or not marv actually checked him. It's annoying that marv didn't take advantage of PMs to reveal his target to his number one town read.
3p/mafia:
Alakaslam - Slam has played the blatant anti-town role before. Either way he totally wrecked day two so he most certainly needs to be held accountable. In PMs, he admitted to making up the stuff about BH being lynched killing off the mayor. Look closer at that if he flips red at any point. He also claims to need to kill JAT as part of his win condition, but that's probably another lie. Don't assume 3P because he is almost certainly anti-town based on his actions.
Other 3p claims:
Holyflare - There were others that I said I would re-evaluate closer to lylo, but he is someone worth re-evaluating much sooner than that, but probably not until the first couple mafia are flipped (hopefully that actually happens -_-)
Damdred - It probably goes without saying that I don't trust him. He promised a gun on n1, but didn't deliver. As far as I know, that gun didn't end up anywhere unless mafia is holding on to it or he was lying. As I mentioned earlier though, it seems weird that a mafia damdred would claim to need to kill gordon and then need an excuse if gordon is still around. His excuse for using the item is suspect as I'm one of the two players he claims to have trusted enough to tell about the day vig, but then suddenly he doesn't trust me so he wants to check me with this item that may or may not exist.
Trfel - Really should pressure him to dual on n3, since I wasn't able to get things going tonight. How come we can't get any pro-town 3p claims? -_-
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On April 02 2015 06:59 kitaman27 wrote:
Leaning Town
LightningStrike - Has a towny sounding role claim. I'm still assuming he gets shot at some point so I haven't looked at him a ton.
Onegu - Claimed role in thread and tries to work with cleric to produce gun on d1. Transparency typically a townie trait...though it would be nice to figure out why his role didn't work n1.
justanothertownie - Active in PMs and trying to solve things. Would re-evaluate closer to to lylo, but seems town.
rsoultin - Seems town. Would be another that I'd re-evaluate closer to lylo. Maybe damdred's item tells us something.
Towny/Null
WaveofShadow - Has a day vig shot and PMs others asking how it should be used. It's possible that he was looking for people to tell him to shoot hapa, but like I said earlier if I had his role I'd simply use it on whoever is the biggest threat to mafia, which wasn't an afk hapa.
Koshi - Town based on activity and giving out reads and pushing them often. If there is a mafia playing the endgame role, then he likely is the one for paranoia reasons that I'm not going to entertain right now.
Half the Sky - Provided a claim pretty easily. Mafia typically don't give out information they don't need to since it comes back to hurt them if they're caught lying. I haven't looked at her content wise in a long time. I probably should do my due diligence if I survive the night.
Keirathi - According to JAT, he was pretty willing to cooperate in solving things via PM.
Snarfs - Not going to deny its anything other than his willingness to claim his role early.
Crossfire99 - As I said earlier, he bread crumbed strongbad so if Moriarty is mafia like we assume, that would mean mafia is checking a different mafia player who is actually strongbad, which makes both xfire and that other mafia player outed if any role cop reveals the true strongbad. His actual posts have little value and he hasn't done a ton to try to help town aside from the fake death and I was scummy null on him before the death, but I'd put others higher on the chopping board.
Blazinghand - Well the whole Lestrade/Moriarty thing suggest town if Moriarty is mafia. Moriarty hasn't claimed so that seems to be the assumption to make for now. Thought he looked mafia on day one based on the quotes I posted.
Null
ObiWanShinobi - Claims a role that was mafia in a previous teamliquid game. Not sure how to interpret this. At one people he was asking several times if people were around to chat, which he also did in one of his mafia games. Really small sample size here though. When we did exchange PM's he asked me about my mason ability, which was about the least relevant thing in the game considering everyone was a d2 mason. He did give up the claim willingly, so there is that.
Exo_ - Maybe townie null. Admits to own the day ending thing so thats a plus for him.
Other
Ran out of time on these two (I blame damdred). One or both may be mafia by process of elimination.
yamato77
VisceraEyes
Leaning Mafia
batsnacks - I honestly can't remember a game where I've read him as town, but I still think he is mafia. Shows no willingness to cooperate in PM land. In the thread, he doesn't have any town tells. He is going after easy targets, that a lot of other people would consider 50/50 coinflip reasons. Seems like he is picking the side of the coin he wants to view things as.
Sepulchre - He goes out of his way to tell me that he spent his entire day on xfire post flip analysis and how it is all wasted. Seems like it may be a situation where he is trying to push the idea that he couldn't possibly have known that xfire wasn't actually mafia (if xfire is indeed not actually mafia).
VayneAuthority - Claims a plansewalker role similar to Hapa, but only reveals two roles. I questioned the claim because it didn't make sense, especially compared to Hapa's flip. He explains there was a third role, but it is a "passive that he doesn't know how it works so he can't share". That seems pretty sketchy especially because he was withholding that part upon first claiming. I didn't like how he posted how I was 100% town and "I thought kita had a brain but apparently he is brainwashed too" when I first suggested how he likely had more than two roles. He changed his tune when I provided evidence that he had more than two. A lot of this comes down to whether or not marv actually checked him. It's annoying that marv didn't take advantage of PMs to reveal his target to his number one town read.
3p/mafia:
Alakaslam - Slam has played the blatant anti-town role before. Either way he totally wrecked day two so he most certainly needs to be held accountable. In PMs, he admitted to making up the stuff about BH being lynched killing off the mayor. Look closer at that if he flips red at any point. He also claims to need to kill JAT as part of his win condition, but that's probably another lie. Don't assume 3P because he is almost certainly anti-town based on his actions.
Other 3p claims:
Holyflare - There were others that I said I would re-evaluate closer to lylo, but he is someone worth re-evaluating much sooner than that, but probably not until the first couple mafia are flipped (hopefully that actually happens -_-)
Damdred - It probably goes without saying that I don't trust him. He promised a gun on n1, but didn't deliver. As far as I know, that gun didn't end up anywhere unless mafia is holding on to it or he was lying. As I mentioned earlier though, it seems weird that a mafia damdred would claim to need to kill gordon and then need an excuse if gordon is still around. His excuse for using the item is suspect as I'm one of the two players he claims to have trusted enough to tell about the day vig, but then suddenly he doesn't trust me so he wants to check me with this item that may or may not exist.
Trfel - Really should pressure him to dual on n3, since I wasn't able to get things going tonight. How come we can't get any pro-town 3p claims? -_-
Thoughts anyone?
I'll try to get to yamato and VE's filter now.
On April 02 2015 08:17 batsnacks wrote:
N1 I sent out a soul fragment to ritoky that targets two players' PMs, if they were negative reputation they could pm if they were good reputation they couldn't pm. I didn't realize it wound up with damdred somehow, I just figured ritoky took it to the grave.
So what does this item actually do?
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On April 02 2015 09:11 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2015 09:10 kitaman27 wrote:On April 02 2015 06:59 kitaman27 wrote:
Leaning Town
LightningStrike - Has a towny sounding role claim. I'm still assuming he gets shot at some point so I haven't looked at him a ton.
Onegu - Claimed role in thread and tries to work with cleric to produce gun on d1. Transparency typically a townie trait...though it would be nice to figure out why his role didn't work n1.
justanothertownie - Active in PMs and trying to solve things. Would re-evaluate closer to to lylo, but seems town.
rsoultin - Seems town. Would be another that I'd re-evaluate closer to lylo. Maybe damdred's item tells us something.
Towny/Null
WaveofShadow - Has a day vig shot and PMs others asking how it should be used. It's possible that he was looking for people to tell him to shoot hapa, but like I said earlier if I had his role I'd simply use it on whoever is the biggest threat to mafia, which wasn't an afk hapa.
Koshi - Town based on activity and giving out reads and pushing them often. If there is a mafia playing the endgame role, then he likely is the one for paranoia reasons that I'm not going to entertain right now.
Half the Sky - Provided a claim pretty easily. Mafia typically don't give out information they don't need to since it comes back to hurt them if they're caught lying. I haven't looked at her content wise in a long time. I probably should do my due diligence if I survive the night.
Keirathi - According to JAT, he was pretty willing to cooperate in solving things via PM.
Snarfs - Not going to deny its anything other than his willingness to claim his role early.
Crossfire99 - As I said earlier, he bread crumbed strongbad so if Moriarty is mafia like we assume, that would mean mafia is checking a different mafia player who is actually strongbad, which makes both xfire and that other mafia player outed if any role cop reveals the true strongbad. His actual posts have little value and he hasn't done a ton to try to help town aside from the fake death and I was scummy null on him before the death, but I'd put others higher on the chopping board.
Blazinghand - Well the whole Lestrade/Moriarty thing suggest town if Moriarty is mafia. Moriarty hasn't claimed so that seems to be the assumption to make for now. Thought he looked mafia on day one based on the quotes I posted.
Null
ObiWanShinobi - Claims a role that was mafia in a previous teamliquid game. Not sure how to interpret this. At one people he was asking several times if people were around to chat, which he also did in one of his mafia games. Really small sample size here though. When we did exchange PM's he asked me about my mason ability, which was about the least relevant thing in the game considering everyone was a d2 mason. He did give up the claim willingly, so there is that.
Exo_ - Maybe townie null. Admits to own the day ending thing so thats a plus for him.
Other
Ran out of time on these two (I blame damdred). One or both may be mafia by process of elimination.
yamato77
VisceraEyes
Leaning Mafia
batsnacks - I honestly can't remember a game where I've read him as town, but I still think he is mafia. Shows no willingness to cooperate in PM land. In the thread, he doesn't have any town tells. He is going after easy targets, that a lot of other people would consider 50/50 coinflip reasons. Seems like he is picking the side of the coin he wants to view things as.
Sepulchre - He goes out of his way to tell me that he spent his entire day on xfire post flip analysis and how it is all wasted. Seems like it may be a situation where he is trying to push the idea that he couldn't possibly have known that xfire wasn't actually mafia (if xfire is indeed not actually mafia).
VayneAuthority - Claims a plansewalker role similar to Hapa, but only reveals two roles. I questioned the claim because it didn't make sense, especially compared to Hapa's flip. He explains there was a third role, but it is a "passive that he doesn't know how it works so he can't share". That seems pretty sketchy especially because he was withholding that part upon first claiming. I didn't like how he posted how I was 100% town and "I thought kita had a brain but apparently he is brainwashed too" when I first suggested how he likely had more than two roles. He changed his tune when I provided evidence that he had more than two. A lot of this comes down to whether or not marv actually checked him. It's annoying that marv didn't take advantage of PMs to reveal his target to his number one town read.
3p/mafia:
Alakaslam - Slam has played the blatant anti-town role before. Either way he totally wrecked day two so he most certainly needs to be held accountable. In PMs, he admitted to making up the stuff about BH being lynched killing off the mayor. Look closer at that if he flips red at any point. He also claims to need to kill JAT as part of his win condition, but that's probably another lie. Don't assume 3P because he is almost certainly anti-town based on his actions.
Other 3p claims:
Holyflare - There were others that I said I would re-evaluate closer to lylo, but he is someone worth re-evaluating much sooner than that, but probably not until the first couple mafia are flipped (hopefully that actually happens -_-)
Damdred - It probably goes without saying that I don't trust him. He promised a gun on n1, but didn't deliver. As far as I know, that gun didn't end up anywhere unless mafia is holding on to it or he was lying. As I mentioned earlier though, it seems weird that a mafia damdred would claim to need to kill gordon and then need an excuse if gordon is still around. His excuse for using the item is suspect as I'm one of the two players he claims to have trusted enough to tell about the day vig, but then suddenly he doesn't trust me so he wants to check me with this item that may or may not exist.
Trfel - Really should pressure him to dual on n3, since I wasn't able to get things going tonight. How come we can't get any pro-town 3p claims? -_-
Thoughts anyone? I'll try to get to yamato and VE's filter now. On April 02 2015 08:17 batsnacks wrote:
N1 I sent out a soul fragment to ritoky that targets two players' PMs, if they were negative reputation they could pm if they were good reputation they couldn't pm. I didn't realize it wound up with damdred somehow, I just figured ritoky took it to the grave. So what does this item actually do? Yes please. Your opinion on those would be really appreciated. There are only so many people left on your list if you know what I mean.
Do you intend to share scum reads at any point?
You're deadline post was pretty lame if you know what I mean.
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Also for the sake of nudging you in the right direction my cop killing friend:
Poll: Damdred should be lynched with no exceptions if he doesn't leave in 24Agree, no exceptions (10) 67% Disagree, it's fine if he stays (5) 33% 15 total votes Your vote: Damdred should be lynched with no exceptions if he doesn't leave in 24 (Vote): Agree, no exceptions
(Vote): Disagree, it's fine if he stays
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On April 02 2015 09:15 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2015 09:08 Half the Sky wrote:On April 02 2015 09:05 batsnacks wrote:
Here's a better plan:
Vote HTS until Damdred proves he's legit. Associative reads? If you don't like Damdred, why are you voting for me and not Damdred? I fine with lynching damdred if he's lying but I don't think voting him now is going to help anything. He either is or isn't and we'll find out soon enough. @kitaman That's all the info I have about the soul fragment: negative reputation = can pm, good reputation = can't pm
Did you ask what reputation means at any point?
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On April 02 2015 09:19 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2015 09:16 kitaman27 wrote:On April 02 2015 09:15 batsnacks wrote:On April 02 2015 09:08 Half the Sky wrote:On April 02 2015 09:05 batsnacks wrote:
Here's a better plan:
Vote HTS until Damdred proves he's legit. Associative reads? If you don't like Damdred, why are you voting for me and not Damdred? I fine with lynching damdred if he's lying but I don't think voting him now is going to help anything. He either is or isn't and we'll find out soon enough. @kitaman That's all the info I have about the soul fragment: negative reputation = can pm, good reputation = can't pm Did you ask what reputation means at any point? No, I figured it wasn't related to me. The reason I sent it to ritoky, aside from townreading him, is because I figured as an item dealer he would have more knowledge about game mechanics.
May I suggest asking?
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On April 02 2015 09:53 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2015 09:50 Keirathi wrote:
At the VERY LEAST, you should know that that means kita has a "bad reputation", whatever that means.
Why aren't you trying to figure it out and just ignoring it? How am I supposed to "figure it out?" I posted everything I know in the thread already. I'm not going to vote kita just because he has a "bad reputation." If "bad reputation" = mafia then the power would just say "mafia" and not "bad reputation."
If you have an item whose only purpose you can understand is to block players from using PMs and whose investigative results mean nothing, why are you even using it?
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