Mafia Mini Mafia2: another miniature game of mafia

On April 07 2015 13:22 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


This guy is trying too hard to be town, thus he is mafia.

/discuss

On April 07 2015 14:08 yamato77 wrote:
We are not playing a game in the thread.

On April 07 2015 14:13 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Check his profile, it was Cultured Mini.

That was back when I played under my old alias too.

On April 07 2015 14:22 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


How? He hasn't even done anything yet.

@Rso: I have played a large number of games with Hf and I have never once seen him do this as town.

On April 08 2015 03:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I wasn't voting Hf, rsoul.

On April 08 2015 09:07 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Seriously.

@GB: How do his cases mean anything?

On April 08 2015 11:03 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I don't understand why Hf's game is so necessary.

I'm looking through it and a whole bunch of people have him as town because of it. Can someone explain what about that game makes him so towny? People are talking about it likes it's a big secret and I really don't get the point of it.

On April 08 2015 11:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


No, it can be discussed now. The last time you told me he was town and I just took your word for it, I decided to shoot the mason instead of him.

Why is he town?

On April 08 2015 13:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Rsoultin, yamato is probably not mafia.

On April 08 2015 14:00 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Because he's actually playing the game.

His posts aren't jaw-droppingly excellent but he's talking about stuff.

On April 08 2015 14:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


In regards to a normal player I'd agree with you, but I've seen yamato's scumgame and the level of apathy he displayed was ridiculous, to the point where he didn't even bother commenting on anything at all and only came into the thread to lol at people and tell them he didn't have time to play.

Yamato has almost always been a low content guy iirc.

On April 08 2015 14:11 Vivax wrote:


You have to prove why he's scum if you think he's scum, instead of asking everybody townreading him to prove otherwise.

On April 08 2015 23:07 rsoultin wrote:
<b>##unvote
##vote: vivax</b>

On April 08 2015 23:13 rsoultin wrote:


mine isn't fake xD

you've barely said a word about me all game and now you have me listed as the scummiest because I ask questions? but you're not voting for me? what is that?

^ oh noes i be asking more questions! even more mafia!

On April 08 2015 23:50 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


That's a lame way of omgusing.

On a side note, I don't think the Vivax push is spectacular and I don't see how his listpost is inherently scummy.

On April 08 2015 23:59 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Town can totally call your reads bad. I, for one, do it all the time.

On April 09 2015 00:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


She explained her yamato read.

The only point listed here you might have is that she agreed with ritoky without scumreading DR, but I don't think that's scummy either especially since I was thinking something along the same lines.

On April 09 2015 05:41 Koshi wrote:
Are we doing stuff or not?

Vivax/HF/DR/GB are my mafia. I don't mind lynching any of them. atm I follow yamato. But I prefer to follow Koshi.

On April 09 2015 06:40 Koshi wrote:
In this limited timeframe I would like to encourage you to talk about possible scumreads and reasons why you are town over interrogating people you think are town. Or do you think yamato is mafia? Which is possible.

Also. I think only 2 people think gb is possible town.

Can you quickly givs your scumreads DR? Sleep time soon for me.

On April 09 2015 07:42 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Doesn't really matter; if he's playing a smurf then there's a reason he's smurfing.

No, the reason isn't "because he's mafia" because he was smurfing before the game started.

On April 09 2015 07:48 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


-.-

You still haven't distinguished why my actions regarding your game were scummier than yamato's, nor have you explained why yamato is off your list.

Nor have you explained where your Koshi read went.

On April 09 2015 08:28 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


By this logic, you are scumreading rsoultin, glowingbear, and ritoky along with palmar, myself, eden, and DR while concluding that yamato is town for being wrong about voting eden.

\o/

On April 09 2015 08:35 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


I said the same thing about rsoul and you called me mafia for not calling her mafia.
Gb doesn't show up on your list at all despite doing something that would make you lean mafia on him.
Palmar doing nothing is incorrect.

Tbh I'd be perfectly fine plynching you if you won't explain your read. I cba dealing with this kind of thing.

On April 07 2015 14:22 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


How? He hasn't even done anything yet.

@Rso: I have played a large number of games with Hf and I have never once seen him do this as town.

On April 07 2015 14:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


I literally just told you that the only time Hf has done this was the time he was mafia.

It has nothing to do with it not following "mafia agenda" or whatever that's supposed to mean when someone starts posting nothing.

On April 09 2015 10:48 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Rso would you be opposed to voting Holyflare?

On April 09 2015 10:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Seeming townie doesn't mean anything, you need to able to explain WHY it's town over just saying "it's townie lol."

On April 09 2015 11:09 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Bolded is untrue.

Koshi is town.

On April 09 2015 11:19 Damdred wrote:
Here's the thing, I feel really strongly about this lynch on GB. And the resistance against it to a point and the votes on GB piling up and then leaving makes me feel slightly better about pushing it I've been struggling lately with pushing things when I'm not entirely sure but I'm really sure about GB.

I would like GB to be lynched today, consolidate with me

On April 09 2015 11:28 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


You added GB to your mafia list, or at the very least, your watch list. What changed?

On April 09 2015 11:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


The only point of dr being antitown is the fact that he won't reveal his smurf, which is a null tell.

Why is keeping your hidden reads secret towny and why are awful Gb posts towny posts?

On April 08 2015 18:56 yamato77 wrote:
DreadReturn

Smurf = -2 townpoints

We're not starting off well here.



Misses the fucking point. ANY CASE MADE at that point is going to be extremely speculative, especially as the game continues on and more information comes into the thread. This is a weak defense of GB and also an incredibly easy post to make as mafia.

What it fails to realize is this:

GB's post where he strawmans Palmar is exactly the sort of thing a mafia would do in that situation: use fallacy to dumb down the argument and cause the thread to lose clarity.

Palmar coming out of the gate firing is actually a pretty strong towntell, especially if he follows his read up later on. I have yet to see him do that but he may yet be the townie we all want him to be.

As someone who is obviously not a mafia newbie, this player SHOULD know better than to attack Palmar for this sort of thing at this stage in the game. MOST people do not have the history to know that Palmar is actually a fucking beast when he wants to be and thus will only know Trollmar. People that only know Trollmar should even townread Palmar for this sort of thing. It doesn't make any sense for someone to attack him.



Notably, his post on Palmar FAILS TO COMMENT ON HIS ALIGNMENT. He knocks me for attacking GB (as he did Palmar) yet he essentially did the same thing in GB's defense.

Why is DreadReturn so concerned with defending GB, and not with providing actual scumreads? It is a common mafia tactic to defend a scummy-looking townie that people want to lynch in an effort to appear active and to derail town's efforts at consolidating on lynches. Based on this, it isn't difficult at all to see mafia motivation in DR's posting.

Plus, he's a fucking smurf.

On April 09 2015 11:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


The only point of dr being antitown is the fact that he won't reveal his smurf, which is a null tell.

Why is keeping your hidden reads secret towny and why are awful Gb posts towny posts?

On April 09 2015 12:07 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
If we're yoloing someone, we should just yolo GB.

On April 09 2015 13:16 Vivax wrote:
Damdred to town pile for dick post

On April 10 2015 00:24 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Onegu why is Holyflare on your townlist?

On April 10 2015 00:44 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Holyflare coding his reads isn't townie. It really doesn't mean anything at all other than the fact that he was hiding them.

There's not going to be an instant of this game from here on out where I'm not voting him. The reasoning you/rso are using to clear him as town is bad, especially when compared to Palmar's case and the things I said about him earlier.

On April 10 2015 00:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


I'm mostly just assuming you won't vote him despite the fact that he is hilariously and obviously scum.

On April 10 2015 10:13 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


wat

On April 10 2015 10:32 Holyflare wrote:
You're telling me your reads are trash and you shouldn't be alive? You're towniest person and can continue my legacy if I die. I don't want you to die.

On April 10 2015 10:35 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


He's only saying it because you're backing him, ftr.

On April 10 2015 10:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


I outlined my read already. I engaged you earlier on and you basically blew me off and ignored everything that I told you.

Then you dropped all of it and now it's "scumreading you for no reason" even though you made it obvious that you didn't care about anything I was saying to you in the first place. My alignment, in your eyes, is completely irrelevant and that is scummy.

On April 10 2015 10:56 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


I never lied.

Someone fucking shoot this guy.

On April 10 2015 11:08 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


I didn't actually shut anything off. I explained everything and you flat out refused to listen and tunneled me over things that didn't really exist.

You can die.

On April 10 2015 12:09 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Why doesn't anyone ever townread me when I'm town?

I don't get it.

On April 10 2015 13:20 Damdred wrote:
Obi why does dead townies make palmar look better?

On April 11 2015 06:33 Eden1892 wrote:
@GB I've got a giant pile of people I wouldn't lynch:


Although since this post ritoky is kinda droppin off. Idk how much of it has to do with his wife's pregnancy but it is 100% his tendency to drop off like this as scum so I might have to take him off the list.

yamato also seems absent but I don't think I'm as ready to take him off yet.

On April 11 2015 09:35 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Eden never really has anything backing the fact that he thinks I'm mafia. He thinks I'm mafia every time he rolls town so him including me in his lists for no reason at all is basically normal.

On April 12 2015 04:57 Koshi wrote:

No seriously. Eden is mafia right?

On April 12 2015 05:14 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Yamato hardpushed dr yesterday and dr was town.

On April 12 2015 09:05 sicklucker wrote:


are palmers reads ever this bad?

On April 12 2015 09:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


I've never shut discussion down. I've given my reads and opinions and me not hardpushing every single lynch in the game doesn't make me mafia.



I have two scum targets, you and ritoky, but I don't have scum targets?

lol

Gtfo.



So? Scum weird or town weird, and why? Just saying it's weird is worthless.

What a bad case.

On April 12 2015 09:35 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


1) No it isn't.
2) I'm convincing people to vote yamato, another scumread I've been talking about that you've completely ignored. Nice.
3) No it isn't. "Anti-town agenda." Get out.

On April 12 2015 09:47 GlowingBear wrote:


You're faintly agreeing with lynching Yamato. Which actually reinforces the scum team I suggested.

On April 12 2015 10:02 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Your scumteam includes someone who is the uncounterclaimed vigilante.

Unless someone else steps forward and counterclaims him, your scumteam can't be fueled by hopes and dreams.

On April 12 2015 11:59 Eden1892 wrote:

I can't cc him so nah

@sl I'm not sure if you jailed scum or not. Unless someone cc'd Palmar we really can't lynch him

On April 12 2015 12:30 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Sicklucker are you intending to vote any time soon or no?

On April 09 2015 01:42 Eden1892 wrote:
Oh god damn it

Eden1892
rsoultin
Koshi
yamato77

GlowingBear
Vivax
ritoky
ObiWanShinobi

Damdred
Onegu
DreadReturn
Holyflare

Palmar