Mafia Mini Mafia2: another miniature game of mafia

On April 06 2015 03:21 Fecalfeast wrote:

I was going to start tomorrow since it's easter sunday BUT NOW WE'RE NOT FULL ANYMORE

On April 06 2015 04:28 Damdred wrote:
-/In

Lets get this party going

On April 06 2015 08:19 Koshi wrote:
Being muted is a bannable offense. You will only be muted if you should otherwise be modkilled.

On April 06 2015 08:59 Fecalfeast wrote:
I just want to try it out and, like koshi said, it's only going to be in serious circumstances.

The reason I decided to change the modkill situation in the first place is because of how robik essentially gave town a double lynch in my last game since he was the main wagon before he exploded. Hapa and I talked about it that game and I decided I would try something different for my next game.

If the mute comes into play (I hope it doesn't) and causes a bigger impact one way or another than a normal modkill would have, I will never deviate from the standard modkill procedure again.

That being said, I understand if anyone wants to /out due to these changes to the normal rules.

On April 07 2015 13:05 GlowingBear wrote:
Oh, hai!

I'm town

On April 07 2015 13:18 Holyflare wrote:
REKT /CONFIRMED

On April 07 2015 13:22 Holyflare wrote:


so what did we learn the last time we played? actually every time that we played! you just gonna sit back and sheep me

On April 07 2015 13:27 Holyflare wrote:


more reads more knowledge more winning

why so sad?

On April 07 2015 13:28 GlowingBear wrote:


Because deja vù
By the way, I'm vigi again. Tell me your scumread so I can shoot him at night and shout at you all game long

On April 07 2015 13:28 Damdred wrote:
Its because we should lynch GB, and five him a taste of that tunnel

On April 07 2015 13:37 Damdred wrote:
No seriously what's the point of you pushing on hf when he's trying to get information out of someone. So what the thread took a serious turn you just drew the conversation away from potential information into more joking.

I don't see why a town would want less information in thread at this point.

On April 07 2015 13:44 Damdred wrote:


My post is the most serious. But you jumped in instead of seeing where it would go

On April 07 2015 13:55 Damdred wrote:


which part? How obi hash left the thread after you interjected and called hf mafia somewhat? We lost information idk what question I'm avoiding

On April 07 2015 14:08 yamato77 wrote:
We are not playing a game in the thread.

On April 07 2015 14:17 rsoultin wrote:


xP not my problem

lol@gb

not tunneling hf? what. are you sick or something? got the bird flu?

On April 07 2015 14:22 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


How? He hasn't even done anything yet.

@Rso: I have played a large number of games with Hf and I have never once seen him do this as town.

On April 07 2015 14:25 rsoultin wrote:


only if you tell me what you think is clever about it after everyone has joined xP

maybe what you think is clever could be what i think may be clever if he's actually doing it but what if it's just us who is clever and he's not being clever at all? :o?? maybe i'm the cleverestest!

##Join Team A w/ the UNBELIEVER and the muppetman xP

@Obi lol dude, seriously doubt a game by itself would ever make anyone scum

On April 07 2015 14:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


I literally just told you that the only time Hf has done this was the time he was mafia.

It has nothing to do with it not following "mafia agenda" or whatever that's supposed to mean when someone starts posting nothing.

On April 07 2015 14:29 rsoultin wrote:
nah i think i know what gb is talking about lol

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On April 07 2015 14:41 yamato77 wrote:
do not play along with hf's stupidity

On April 07 2015 14:50 yamato77 wrote:
well this game is dumb

I'll come back when it's less dumb

On April 07 2015 17:58 Koshi wrote:
Will this be the game I will be lynched as town? We will find out.

I won't be posting a lot. Really. This game. I will almost not post.


I would like to enter team D and all grumpy people who don't want to join a team can default in my team. Our Teamname is : "Massagesalon Chantal"

On April 07 2015 19:05 Palmar wrote:

I actually kinda agree with Damdred regarding your pointless complaint about what wasn't even a problem in the thread at the time.

How do you feel about that?

On April 07 2015 19:07 Palmar wrote:

Why? I think it's pretty nondescript.

On April 07 2015 19:16 Vivax wrote:


Read his last game. What was it? Void?Artanis was the host.

The same opening "hey guys i will post a lot less"

Then people voted on him and somehow he died, not sure if modkilled. He was town.

On April 07 2015 19:27 Palmar wrote:


If the bolded wasn't your intention, then I have no idea at all what you were trying to achieve with that post?

On April 07 2015 20:56 Palmar wrote:

I don't believe this is true.

My original assumption was that you were trying to stop them by complaining about it. You later clarified that you weren't. But let's assume I don't really think there is any mafia in the group of you three.

Town HF is arguing with Town Obi.

Town GB steps in and "look guys, this is shit. drop it".

I think this is a fair thing to do as town.

I really don't understand why you'd have to be protecting someone. Trying to stop shit to clear the way for more useful conversation is on the surface always a town move. Of course mafia knows this so it's really no big deal (hence why I'm looking at HOW you did what you did, not WHAT you did).

Like this post is full of shit and now I seriously want to lynch you and I don't think I'm nitpicking anymore. Trying to argue that you must be protecting one of them or my theory is shit is awful because it makes no logical sense.

On April 07 2015 21:00 Palmar wrote:
By the way, since I'm both "nitpicking" and pushing arguments that "simply don't hold water", do you think I'm mafia GB?

On April 07 2015 21:37 Palmar wrote:


No, there's plenty of other explanations.

Also, I found it intriguing until you claimed to have not been trying to stop it. I may have leaned towards you being mafia at the time, but it's not until you specifically said you had not been tryign to stop it that I became really interested.

And now you seem back on talking about ho you were trying to stop the conversation?

Anyway, here's a list of possible reasons you might post this as mafia, irrelevant of whether your intention was to joke and get a lololol response or to stop the discussion.

a) help build "town atmosphere" for brownie points
b) you're mafia, you need to post. This is something that's happening in the thread, let's post about it.
c) comment on something for appearances without really shutting it down.

Like there's such a big disconnect here. You have said that you were not trying to stop them, and now you want me to explain why you'd try to stop them as mafia? This is making my brain hurt.

On April 07 2015 21:41 Palmar wrote:
Like to be clear, I BELIEVE you when you say you were not trying to stop the discussion. I have never questioned that.

On April 07 2015 21:53 Palmar wrote:
Like that's the entire reason I'm voting you. I believe you posted without saying anything. Interjected yourself into a discussion without adding anything.

I think the above are mafia traits.

On April 07 2015 22:06 Vivax wrote:
You just said you don't think he's mafia wtf...

On April 07 2015 21:55 Damdred wrote:
I like this sexiness that palmar is bringing into the thread, looks like a 15/10 on the sex scale

I honestly don't know what question I'm not answering. If it is obi mafia idk hasn't looked the best but not much to go on in that regard. However you on the other hand are probably mafia.

I'm not sure about RS one of his posts here give me the willies'. She says just going to let you guys go at it basically when she's a peacemaker as town meh.

On April 07 2015 22:35 Damdred wrote:
GB you just called palmar mafia and now ask who your partners are? Literally you just talked to palmar like he's town, you also are voting your secondary scum read in palmar instead of pushing your primary in damdred.

On April 07 2015 22:48 Damdred wrote:
Lol weak you ask everyone what they think about me and you don even follow up showing past examples of how this could be my scum game like you normally do. Instead you vote one of the towniest looking people in the entire thread

of course I have reads but I don't bow to scum demands

On April 07 2015 21:41 Palmar wrote:
Like to be clear, I BELIEVE you when you say you were not trying to stop the discussion. I have never questioned that.

On April 07 2015 23:02 Palmar wrote:


I don't agree with the bolded.

If you read my biggest post, and a followup after that, it's clear that I don't believe you were trying to be funny. It is super clear that ritoky's opening posts are trying to be funny/trolling.

That's the difference. I know why ritoky posted. I don't know why you posted.

On April 08 2015 03:31 rsoultin wrote:
@koshi, reasons for your scumteam, por favor

@holyflare lol i may not go so far as a policy lynch, but this better have a point and soon xP i don't mind indulging you a bit on a whim and a hunch but a holyflare lynch is soooooo tasty

@obi so your only scumread is eden yet you were voting hf? what changed?

@damdy bby you may think i don't notice that next-grade-lvl buddying but it's a little blatant. come play with all of us in the sandbox

@palmar do your thing. your reads aren't terrible

@gb just cause i'm reserving judgement to see how close our thought processes are doesn't mean you can phone it in with impunity lol what do you think of this train forming on you boyo?

On April 08 2015 04:24 Koshi wrote:
No it isn't. I also have no opinion on Eden. Maybe a slight townread. But hey. Not posting doesn't help him.

On April 08 2015 04:42 Koshi wrote:
##unvote
##vote: Vivax

obv mafia.

On April 08 2015 04:55 DreadReturn wrote:
I think Palmer's interpretation of GB's early post is pretty weak.
Take the post that Palmer convinces himself with:


Two points here:

"HF and Obi were having a shitfest" - That's not right. They exchanged maybe 5 small one liners and a picture between themselves. It's a very mild scuffle / banter. If GB could be accused of "stopping" anything, it's mild banter.

"The problem I have is that is by far the worst option available" - Palmer isn't actually showing why GB is scum with this. How does this make him scum? He points out things that GB could have done, and then concludes that by act of omission GB must be scum. How? There's a huge logical gap there.

This type of weak reasoning could easily be applied to anyone else on those pages, and again, we are talking about day 1 early game banter here.

Palmer's analysis is weak because he is either exaggerating or misconstruing what GB said and did, and is suggesting GB is scum without actually giving a reason why he is scum.

On April 08 2015 05:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Is it though?

On April 08 2015 05:05 yamato77 wrote:

Worst post in the thread award goes to GB for this pile of scummy shit.

On April 08 2015 07:28 Eden1892 wrote:

Click the "i" in Shinobi and the "t" in yamato

On April 08 2015 07:45 Eden1892 wrote:
y not

i thought about not revealing it but people apparently missed it...

On April 08 2015 06:52 Damdred wrote:
Theres a fw reasons I voted for GB, some of which was calling palmar mafia after town reading him and voting him over his top scum read at the time. His initial postings towards HF and obi felt weird and this is pretty well documented in my filter.

Ritoky is just a gut town read so far, hes pretty trolly and laid back which is a meta read.

But you dread I like your posts, like you just calling me out trying to get more reads I like that.

On April 08 2015 08:15 yamato77 wrote:
HF's cases are on the two people who didn't play along with his dumb game. Very funny.

On April 08 2015 09:07 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Seriously.

@GB: How do his cases mean anything?

On April 08 2015 09:15 rsoultin wrote:
uummm so

filter, as even when i'm not completely direct my thought process is usually clear

and if that's too much work, i'm getting ready to go on a road trip so...a more concise version will have to wait until later tonight or tomorrow morning before i leave ^^

i'm more curious why you lumped the four of us together GB xP

On April 08 2015 09:21 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


I don't see how that means anything either. Elaborate?

On April 08 2015 09:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Also forgot to answer:



Because you started making decent posts instead of posting apathetic drivel like you were doing at the start. You took a lot of stances and gave a ton of opinions. It's towny.

On April 08 2015 10:30 yamato77 wrote:

I think both of you are scum

On April 08 2015 11:03 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I don't understand why Hf's game is so necessary.

I'm looking through it and a whole bunch of people have him as town because of it. Can someone explain what about that game makes him so towny? People are talking about it likes it's a big secret and I really don't get the point of it.

On April 08 2015 11:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


No, it can be discussed now. The last time you told me he was town and I just took your word for it, I decided to shoot the mason instead of him.

Why is he town?

On April 08 2015 11:54 rsoultin wrote:
yo gb, how long you gonna still be up?

On April 08 2015 11:54 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


You called him mafia on day 2, not on day 1. You were calling him town for no reason on day 1.

Tbh I'd be perfectly fine plynching you if you won't explain your read. I cba dealing with this kind of thing.

On April 08 2015 12:08 rsoultin wrote:


Explain this please, GB ^^

On April 08 2015 13:12 Eden1892 wrote:

you don't think town!HF would just fuck with him for a bit at game start though?
I see where you're coming from but it doesn't really seem to have had the intended effect

On April 08 2015 13:09 Eden1892 wrote:

I know this has been talked about already but: GB what was the point of this? HF and Obi looked like they were joking and then you suddenly seemed really seriously upset about it. You went on to say something about "deja vu" but I dunno what you're referencing. This post seemed a bit out of place so... what's goin on here?


This is similarly weird because I didn't see how HF was trying to get information out of anyone or doing anything really but fucking around. And I don't see how GB turned the conversation back to joking around? In fact it was kinda the opposite, GB got serious in a way that felt a bit off tonally when HF was joking around with Obi.


This is a pretty good sequence IMO by GB. Damdred never answers this from what I can see in his filter, there's this half-answer in Damdred's post when he returns but it's not really a direct response. I think that makes Damdred a little suspicious because his initial assessment about what GB was doing was wrong and it looks like he was just taking the chance to pile on GB when he could.


Based on these posts GB is actually probably town and Damdred is slightly suspicious. I haven't gotten to the part where everyone decided GB is mafia but I already think it's wrong, so that could be fruitful.

On April 08 2015 13:39 Eden1892 wrote:

You are probably town, Vivax looks alright, Palmar looks not so good, Damdred looks not so good. Das it mayne

On April 10 2015 01:08 Holyflare wrote:
And gb if that's your only question after everything I regret ever defending you. I'd pick the team with the most intelligent people on it.

On April 10 2015 01:32 Onegu wrote:



What team are you talking about?

Can I be on the Cincinnati Reds?

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On April 10 2015 01:41 Palmar wrote:
@GB do you like my case on HF?

On April 10 2015 01:41 Damdred wrote:
I know how to read GB RS, he is scum. Pretty sure Eden is scum in this case and I'm not sure about the third hf is bothering me here

On April 10 2015 03:40 Holyflare wrote:


Lol I'm not sure you understand the game correctly at all. I'd pick c and add vivax because he does science stuff.

On April 10 2015 04:01 Holyflare wrote:
Inb4 gb thought my game was a colour coded myriad of imbedded reads meant to have scum reads at the lowest tier of teams and town reads at the top

On April 10 2015 04:19 Holyflare wrote:
But i did scum read obi and yamato for not joining and that was part of it because you know... I clearly already wrote that. Comment on not me/game plz.

On April 10 2015 05:16 Holyflare wrote:


I literally just told you that WAS my intention with the game and you're saying it wasn't? I also did not lynch dread because he didn't reveal his name, I lynched him for being scummy and then because there was no alternative with such short time. If I were to perpetuate the you being called mafia argument I would be feeding people as you being mafia but I'm not.

I also don't like your Palmar point because he didn't have double standards he scum read you for not portraying what you think you were portraying with the initial post whereas Eden was nothing like that.

Obi read is based on weird shit that isn't even relevant. Damdred is an on read but meh.

Your reads are pretty lackluster gb it's not really based on like... points in the game at all, it's a bit hypocritical that you're saying palmar is mafia for picking on only one post but then you are calling him mafia for one post with double standards

On April 10 2015 04:18 Holyflare wrote:
Um no I haven't revealed my intention about the game at all and it does generate reads.

On April 10 2015 05:28 Eden1892 wrote:
i have a question for him once day hits tho

On April 10 2015 05:25 Eden1892 wrote:
so gb you think damdred and my only major pushes this game have been on each other as mafia teammates?

especially since you said you scumread me based on associations this really doesn't make sense

On April 10 2015 07:54 Holyflare wrote:
Have a good night hopefully the vigi is someone sensible

Vivax best shot
Damdred probably good shot
Palmar mafia
Obi probably mafia

Someone in that list is wrong but being bad so don't really care. If you wanna yolo you can yolo gb. Shooting me will solve nothing other than mafia palmar/obi etc agenda and as you just saw palmar is ready for the field day my flip will bring.

Damdred is stuck in the past. Made a big post on him about his reads not fluidly updating. Don't know if afking in part due to being mafia or not but feels off and not cool damdy.

Obi's only scum read in this entire game is apparently me (and gb lolololol yeh can see that from his 0 reasons) and he flat out refuses to explain why about me to anyone. If I die make him explain his read. If it involves anything in Palmar's case lynch him with absolute fire because he scum read me before Palmar's case and those events even happened.

Vivax absolutely a waste of space and when threatened with vig shot trolled and his only scum read is... Ritoky....? Get the fuck outta here.

Palmar is pushing false information. Really just read his case and then the events of the deadline. He says I'm just pushing my interpretation of events but that's not true. He selectively pulled out quotes from my filter to fit his mafia narrative case and left out all the quotes where i perfectly explained myself. Check out his you scum read gb and then town read him for no reason thing. I had so many reasons that I repeated many times. Check it plz plz plz.


Never ever follow yamato. Pick someone with a sensible list like rsoul. She has a good game sense and jk should absolutely be on her tonight. Her list was one of the ones I agreed the most on.

Don't lynch rsoul/ritoky/probablyonegu/koshi was completely absent today but townyish d1 so don't let him fall off but otherwise keep him here

Be absolutely wary of yamato since he is pushing me for palmars case but he was the one commandeering the dr lynch and forcing people onto it too. He said he'd try hard as any alignment and last time he tried he got town read all d1 by people but was mafia.


Eden super underwhelming but not really sure if mafia at all. Seems pretty carefree to be mafia at the moment. Gb list post was super mediocre and contained barely any relevant game info but it's hard to hate it when all the scummy ppl pushed him and it kinda aligned with my/rsoul list.

On April 09 2015 03:26 Koshi wrote:
Eden. Do you think GB does more than scratching the surface?

Look at his initial HF is scum because teasing Obi. Nothing really came from it.
Look at when he townreads HF. At that point HF just started his game. Nothing else. Obi called GB rightfullyout on his townread.
Look at his Damdred read. Never was it real pressure. It starts on page 1 of his filter and when does it gets anything real? Does it at all?
Look at how he calls my entrance scummy. He gets then pressured on it and produces a false meta of a game that I never played. Never came back on this mistake. Is that a solving townie mindset? Anyway, he doesn't touch me anymore after that.
Then there are a SHITTON of random "hey you, what is your read on x" But never does GB do anything with the answer he got from that player, or the read given by the player. Because in the end he doesn't really produce any list or shows that he is PoEing this game.



These 3 posts just seem so fake. And it happened 3 times already. (obi callout on hf, wrong meta on me)

The reason why GB is voting Damdred is bullshit. Damdred called GB out on something LEGIT SCUMMY. Then he brushes it away a bit too easy.


Bullshit and fake. We have to drag out answers out of him? Why? Fuck you GB. You have to give them to us and then complain or stfu. Can't complain about people now playing when he isn't playing himself.


Bullshit.

you know he is calling you mafia the entire time right, Eden?


Anyway.

I don't believe GB is town. But maybe he is trying to solve the game. I don't know.


Best reason why I think GB is mafia ↓
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On April 10 2015 08:56 Holyflare wrote:
GB I CANT CONTINUE THE GAME WHEN I'M NOT HOME. THE GAME IS TEMPORARILY IRRELEVANT AND HAPPENED IN THE FIRST FUCKING HOURS OF THIS MAFIA GAME. PLEASE DO SOMETHING NOT THAT RELATED IN REGARDS TO ME. like seriously the game consists of 2 pages of my filter and then i said i had issues and had to afk and then i came back to constant phone posting and playing actual mafia.

People don't believe my palmar read. I didn't list you as mafia. It's clearly to make palmar and obi look more scummy and actually start looking at my reads with some weight behind it. The more you talk about the stupid game the more and more you drop. I don't think you're really actually reading the game.

On April 07 2015 22:48 Damdred wrote:
Lol weak you ask everyone what they think about me and you don even follow up showing past examples of how this could be my scum game like you normally do. Instead you vote one of the towniest looking people in the entire thread

of course I have reads but I don't bow to scum demands

On April 08 2015 06:52 Damdred wrote:
Theres a fw reasons I voted for GB, some of which was calling palmar mafia after town reading him and voting him over his top scum read at the time. His initial postings towards HF and obi felt weird and this is pretty well documented in my filter.

Ritoky is just a gut town read so far, hes pretty trolly and laid back which is a meta read.

But you dread I like your posts, like you just calling me out trying to get more reads I like that.

On April 09 2015 06:42 Damdred wrote:


I really hate this post, it totally is horrible.

Then Eden pushes me again

On April 09 2015 11:09 Damdred wrote:
We should lynch GB.

while I have a small amount of distaste for meta sometimes when you have a lot of experience with peole it is valuable.

If you look at how GB calls me scum and votes me without pushing compare that to fanfic mafia where GB did that as well you can see a general sameness to it. GB as scum has a hard time coming up reasons to scum read people for, palmar did a game where GB honed in on robik and did sorts the same thing.

I know people say its weak but GB did interject himself into the obi hf starting of a shit fight and allowed it to go without us being able to gather anything from it, at the same time palmar is right about gbs motivation in saying what he did or lack of motivation.

GB lack of reads currently while just looking like he's doing something is also another scum thing he generally does, he vanished here, vanished in fanfic mafia. Besides me being scum really hard to determine where GB stands on things to a point.

Lynch GB with me people

On April 09 2015 13:12 Damdred wrote:
Seriously that's fucked up

I hope the big does shoot me so that next time you ask me to consolidate to give you your lynch I'll quote this and say fuck you again.

On April 10 2015 01:41 Damdred wrote:
I know how to read GB RS, he is scum. Pretty sure Eden is scum in this case and I'm not sure about the third hf is bothering me here

On April 11 2015 01:26 Eden1892 wrote:
Theoretically but why would they?

On April 11 2015 01:27 Koshi wrote:
Mafia can:

rb themselves
not rb and claim they got rb
rb people that get town vigied and then claim the rb

On April 11 2015 01:29 Palmar wrote:
like how do you not know this GB? the mafia self roleblock has been around since the dawn of time.

On April 11 2015 01:32 Palmar wrote:

but even then they can just not roleblock and claim it?

It's completely irrelevant.

On April 11 2015 01:52 sicklucker wrote:


Dandred raging about how he hopes hes not shot by the town veggie for playing bad.Hes never the veggie not even gonna quote the post its not important because im a powerole and im telling you so.

On April 11 2015 02:05 Koshi wrote:
Ok what is next? yamato and ritoky?

Seriously?

fml

On April 11 2015 02:05 Palmar wrote:

You're mafia.

On April 11 2015 02:09 Damdred wrote:
I stand by my earlier answer of not being vig.

I still think GB is scum the rb situation will resolve itself in the night

On April 11 2015 02:13 Vivax wrote:


I want you to analyze Damdred's massive vote analysis post or I might just 180 on my reads.

just like that

On April 11 2015 02:13 Damdred wrote:
So your theory is what exactly happened during the night GB? If me and palmar are both mafia

On April 11 2015 02:25 Damdred wrote:
How is it a narrative? Its reads and reasonings?

You still haven't answered anything

On April 11 2015 02:26 Damdred wrote:
Here are questions why would mafia damdred leave a legacy post with about an hour to go when most people aren't even in the thread at that point.

Has mafia damdred ever done that before?

On April 11 2015 02:32 Damdred wrote:
...you are ignoring the question why would I leave a huge legacy post in case I'm shot eight before deadline when nobody is basically in the thread

On April 11 2015 02:50 Damdred wrote:
Gbs response to my big post in hs is interesting compared to here. Even if town GB disagreed with the case GB went uh oh damdreds town for that effort.

Here GB goes damdred narrative he's still scum regardless of effort.

That struck me as interesting

On April 11 2015 05:09 Koshi wrote:
pretty insane how mafia is calling mafia mafia. Or it really is ritoky/yamato. Which I almost can't believe. I guess somewhere tomorrow I read their filters.

On April 11 2015 06:33 Eden1892 wrote:
@GB I've got a giant pile of people I wouldn't lynch:


Although since this post ritoky is kinda droppin off. Idk how much of it has to do with his wife's pregnancy but it is 100% his tendency to drop off like this as scum so I might have to take him off the list.

yamato also seems absent but I don't think I'm as ready to take him off yet.

On April 11 2015 06:46 Damdred wrote:
1) Vivax is probably off the Scum team which means I have one to many tr but I'll look for third soon.
2) you are pretty static make up reasons for Scum reading refusing to look at stuff. Won't interact with posts instead of just making things up, other things I mentioned.
3) because your not town?

On April 11 2015 07:16 Damdred wrote:
There's nothing dodgy about my answers? I answered everything

On April 11 2015 12:10 sicklucker wrote:
Im at something like this

Town eden, koshi, vivax

townish - gb

scum but not sure I can kill today because I could be wrong - palmer, dandred

No god damn clue - ritoky ,obi, yamato

On April 11 2015 12:18 Damdred wrote:
I've been over most of that decently in depth. My reads post is there for a reason which you still haven't even read but call scummy

On April 11 2015 12:26 sicklucker wrote:


Yes it is the mechanical correct decision from my pov. Deal with it. I just listed 3 people I would lynch over you. Lets discuss them

On April 11 2015 12:30 Damdred wrote:
Once again you aren't doing like anyone asks and pointing out hoe anything about that post is mafia oriented besides you saying its a narrative.

Its lackluster at best, you can't find an actual problem with it or with the facts I am saying so you just are giving blanket statements and ignoring what others are asking you to do.

On April 10 2015 11:49 Damdred wrote:
Damdreds Analysis Of People In Case he gets Shot during the night by Town Vig for being Bad: (sorry townies)

Vivax (2) - Rsoultin, DreadReturn
Palmar (0) -
GlowingBear (2) - Damdred, Palmar,
Rsoultin (0) -
ObiWanShinobi (0) -
Eden1892 (2) - Yamato77, Ritoky,
Koshi (0) -
Damdred (1) - GlowingBear,
Yamato77 (0) -
DreadReturn (6) - Vivax, Koshi, HolyFlare, Onegu, ObiWanShinobi, Eden1892

0m 0s until deadline. Currently DreadReturn is set to be lynched.

The first thing that i'm doing here is coloring in the confirmed town DreadReturn as green as he flipped.

I am also going to color myself green because I am confirmed to myself even if my play has been spotty at points due to being out so much which I apologize for especially if vig shoots me tonight.

This paragraph contains too much words for little information. He displayed the votecount with the obvious train of thought that didn't need to be revealed (or could be revealed in the next votecount). This shows lack of fluency, which is commonly associated to scum

Now to the heart of the matter

Damdreds Analysis Of People In Case he gets Shot during the night by Town Vig for being Bad: (sorry townies)

Vivax (2) - Rsoultin, DreadReturn
Palmar (0) -
GlowingBear (2) - Damdred, Palmar,
Rsoultin (0) -
ObiWanShinobi (0) -
Eden1892 (2) - Yamato77, Ritoky,
Koshi (0) -
Damdred (1) - GlowingBear,
Yamato77 (0) -
DreadReturn (6) - Vivax, Koshi, HolyFlare, Onegu, ObiWanShinobi, Eden1892

My first green marks are Ritoky, Palmar and Yamato. They are my strongest town reads at this point in time going forward,

Ritoky is partially a soul read/meta read. If you compare this game to Guardians of the Galaxy when he replaced in or Mafia Down Under you can see a sharp contrast, also you can look at Imperial Mafia or Season of a witch. It is a vast difference if you compare the games you see a stark contrast between the scum games and this game. He actually has good thoughts here for instance even though he was wrong on DR he picked out a great observation on that question he asked me and how it just didn't flow well with the posts.

Compared to his scum game he really is missing the super angry list post and how serious he is as scum. Really strongly town read Ritoky.

A lot of words, few information. What exactly is different? What is he comparing to? Just saying Ritoky is angry isn't enough.
Side note: it just felt that he searched for reasons to call ritoky town. It feels fabricated, as if he already knew ritoky is town here and he searched for reasons to call him town when there isn't actually very strong points in his filter to call him very townie, even if the rest of the thread unanimously read him as town

Palmar is really strong this game, he opened the game up and it reminded me of Horns of Africa where he sees something he thinks is scummy and goes after it quickly and hard. he is trying to push the thread towards what I consider to be a good place especially early when the game is still forming and its inbetween the serious and the silly and gives us something to actually talk about in this situation in GB.

Again, lots of words, little information. Stating that Palmar is having a similar townplay as another game. But how? Just for tunneling? And which place is Palmar moving the thread to? And Palmar rehashed over and over ONE SINGLE POST to call me mafia. What is he giving the thread to talk about? This is just fluff.

He really pushed his ideas forward in the thread and I like the direction hes going, his tone is good to me also and hes constantly re-evaluating his reads.

Palmar never reevaluated his reads. His scumread on me is static. Even after HF's death Palmar remained with the same reads, reevaluating nothing. Damdred is just making things up here.

Yamato is putting forward some of the best effort I've seen him put into the game in a long time. The case on DR even though it was wrong it felt really sincere and well thought out. He asked good questions and when people started pushing other candidates (namely myself and obi when he sheeped) Yamato kept calling attention to his case and specifically asked us both to answer him.

When obi answered yamato specifically quoted the part of the case he wanted to talk about I believe and really wanted an answer. And going into the lynch near the end he wanted to jump off DR and lynch someone else he didn't want to go on someone he thought was an easy mislynch but someone he felt could be really scummy. Just because of effort and the way he went about the day left me thinking he was really towny.

Lots of words to say that yamato looks townie for having effort. Fluff. "He asked good questions", give me an example. Just fluff.

Vivax (2) - Rsoultin, DreadReturn
GlowingBear (2) - Damdred, Palmar,
Eden1892 (2) - Yamato77, Ritoky,
Damdred (1) - GlowingBear,
DreadReturn (6) - Vivax, Koshi, HolyFlare, Onegu, ObiWanShinobi, Eden1892

Rsoultin I wasn't totally sure of early on just because i'm horrible about reading her. Rsoultin does really stick to her guns though in the thread to my eyes going towards end of day she really wanted his top two lynches to get attention and potentially get lynched and she showed an extreme wiliness to consolidate and not just afk and leave her vote fuck all near eod and reading through the only reason his vote is on Vivax is because shenanigans were possible at that point, she refused to vote GB and seemed to have doubts about DR at the time.

I really dont' want to spend a ton of time on GB because I've talked a lot about him during the rest of the thread. Look in his other mafia games and compare then look at what I said and see if I have any points about whats going on, even if you think its way weak just see if I have points. I think GB is really scummy still to me his reads really don't have much going on.

I'll admit I felt this part he really showed his thought process

Vivax (2) - Rsoultin, DreadReturn
GlowingBear (2) - Damdred, Palmar,
Eden1892 (2) - Yamato77, Ritoky,
Damdred (1) - GlowingBear,
DreadReturn (6) - Vivax, Koshi, HolyFlare, Onegu, ObiWanShinobi, Eden1892

ObiwanShinobi is a scum lean for me currently. I went into the night thinking that Obi was a town read for me because of his tone early on in the game and his wiliness to call my points on GB good. I have a really soft spot for people who call my posts good I suppose. however when I looked through his filter this post really caught my eye and sounds really superficial and fake to me



It just strikes me as weird because he seemed so sure and his quick jump off GB really strikes me as weird in this situation. Also a loto f his posts read antagonistic towards HF and others to a point. Early in the thread when he also got the chance he decided to afk and leave the thread instead of getting involved in the early talk which I know has been asked to me earlier and I think its scummy in retrospect.

Pretty sure obis a bit more than a scum lean.

Meh, I also like this part...

I actually like Koshi this game, he seems to have a direction in his postings in my mind. Hes also revisiting his reads and explaining them, he pushes his thoughts and pushes people to answer his question specifically towards vivax at points. His cases really feel sincere and his tone is really good and towny. I'm really sold on him being town.

Just narratives. Which reads Koshi revisited? What in his cases makes it feels sincere?
I do agree with him regarding koshi having very natural posting style, but this read lacks substance. Just narratives. Where are the facts? Proofs? What made he think this way? You can infer from here.

Vivax (2) - Rsoultin, DreadReturn
GlowingBear (2) - Damdred, Palmar,
Eden1892 (2) - Yamato77, Ritoky,
Damdred (1) - GlowingBear,
DreadReturn (6) - Vivax, Koshi, HolyFlare, Onegu, ObiWanShinobi, Eden1892

This will possibly be my most controversial read and I've read his filter three times almost. I went into the night/analysis phase thinking that HF was scum, however some things really changed my mind when I read his filter. He really pushes his own ideas during the night phase and tries to find answers to questions and figure out peoples reads going forward.

Look at how he addresses me about my read on Edn trying to figure out where I am and trying to find out if my read is scummy and not changing or if I have a legitimate way. Though I still think the lynch on DR and HF lack of care especially at the end was concerning ive seen it before he has really good follow through and his response to being tunneled pushed I feel has been pretty good.

Same lack of examples and in-depth elements in HF's filter that made him change his mind. Come on, he read it three times. These two paragraphs are too generic. Narratives.

Eden I am scum reading currently but I have some misgivings on another read through. Eden has his town anger going on that I generally pick up on and town read him for but there are some things that still really bother me.

How is Eden being "angry"? Again, he fails to show us

These things that bother me are the way that he came into the game and the way that his read develops on me for instance it bothered me, and his post on GB still reads sort of waffly to me.

He does push what he thinks though and revisits his read on me and looks at it so honesty a bit of it is omgus granted and his revisit does ignore that i'm asking GB to show the question i'm avoiding which he doesn't take into account.

You know it. Generic

Eden is probably the person i'm most wrong about at this time if i'm wrong. I sort of feel like i'm looking through a clouded view of Eden because of his scum read on me, I've never seen him this angry as scum when I confronted him early in the game.

Vivax (2) - Rsoultin, DreadReturn
GlowingBear (2) - Damdred, Palmar,
Eden1892 (2) - Yamato77, Ritoky,
Damdred (1) - GlowingBear,
DreadReturn (6) - Vivax, Koshi, HolyFlare, Onegu, ObiWanShinobi, Eden1892

Onegu- I am pretty null on Onegu right now, his list posts are kind of meh and he doesn't feel connected sometimes in the game. But i'm nto sure that makes him scum.

Vivax- Originally going into near EoD I didn't see why Vivax looked so bad, DR pointed some things out to me when I asked about it and I reread his filter recently. If you compare it to Vivax recent town games its missing a lot of thoughts and explanations to a point, usually he has a lot more thoughts in what he posts. Look in guardians of the galaxy he pushes his thoughts and gives good explanations even if some of the theories don't pan out or ideas are wrong he still has them and shows them in the thread.

I don't see that as much this game, he says something gives a really short explanation why maybe just a sentence and I don't feel the push or drive to get what he thinks into the thread or into the spotlight.

Currently I have four scum reads/leans in Eden, Obiwan, Vivax and GB. Obviously one of these has to be wrong also I think its highly unlikely that we had three scum up for lynch at the same time. I'm sort of feeling like i'm the most wrong about Eden currently, so that leaves me in a world of GB, Vivax and Obiwan.

This part also feels ok

I sort of like this team as GBs initial push on HF got obiwan the ability to escape the thread and vivax sudden appearance at eod right as he was being discussed. Plus his lack of anything during the night, DR said some really good things about him also.

On April 11 2015 12:59 sicklucker wrote:
Dandred/palmer/ritoky

gb/ritoky/ obi or yamato? Both can be teams to me ritokyd defended both palmer/gb. And if there both town this game is doomed anyway

On April 12 2015 08:27 sicklucker wrote:
you know what I wanna kill ritoky. Yamato tried so hard day1 and if he is mafia it will become really apparent as the game goes on. Ritoky will just hide behind troll/real life issue smoke screen real or not.

Like I was saposed to visit my dying aunt in the hospital today that feel through but im still playing mafia because its a great time waster.

Will this satisfy you gb? Its semi policy but this games kind of hard and we gotta kill off the weeds that cant contribute.

On April 12 2015 08:29 sicklucker wrote:


I did read him when you voted him acualy deciding if I should vote him instead of ritoky. He seems pretty null for obi standards

On April 12 2015 08:39 Palmar wrote:
GB has hardly talked about Obi or suggested anything like a hard scumread before and now this push

Give me a break.

Lynch with fire.

On April 12 2015 08:44 Palmar wrote:
Also GB rocking more excuses for not playing.

Where is the caps lock spamming, super aggressive, arrogant, borderline asshole Glowingbear that we all know and love?

Glowingbear. Who are you and what have you done with the real Glowingbear?

On April 12 2015 08:46 Koshi wrote:
##unvote
##vote: Palmar.


I am too tired and lacklustered to do anything about it. If yamato is mafia. Vivax is town. If yamato is town, Vivax is mafia.

Palmar is mafia. Always.

On April 12 2015 08:47 Koshi wrote:
And I say the above with no intention to stop the lynch on yamato. You guys can have it.

On April 12 2015 08:55 Koshi wrote:

A very faint one. I don't want him lynched per se.

On April 12 2015 09:05 sicklucker wrote:


are palmers reads ever this bad?

On April 12 2015 09:11 Koshi wrote:
##unvote
##vote: Koshi


I am clueless. Eden is town due to stuff I don't know and actually also don't believe. Palmar is vigi? Vivax is town?????

Nha. Those 3 are my mafia. But I have 0 confidence atm.

This is not a selfvote but more of a i cba to vote anybody vote.

On April 12 2015 09:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


I've never shut discussion down. I've given my reads and opinions and me not hardpushing every single lynch in the game doesn't make me mafia.



I have two scum targets, you and ritoky, but I don't have scum targets?

lol

Gtfo.



So? Scum weird or town weird, and why? Just saying it's weird is worthless.

What a bad case.

On April 12 2015 09:30 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Gb is also voting the uncc'd vigilante.

Funsies.

On April 12 2015 09:35 Damdred wrote:
Are you ccing palmar gb

On April 12 2015 09:35 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


1) No it isn't.
2) I'm convincing people to vote yamato, another scumread I've been talking about that you've completely ignored. Nice.
3) No it isn't. "Anti-town agenda." Get out.

On April 12 2015 10:02 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Your scumteam includes someone who is the uncounterclaimed vigilante.

Unless someone else steps forward and counterclaims him, your scumteam can't be fueled by hopes and dreams.

On April 12 2015 11:30 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Eh, I'd feel better about killing one of Eden/Gb today.

Can we get enough people online for that instead?

On April 12 2015 09:35 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


1) No it isn't.
2) I'm convincing people to vote yamato, another scumread I've been talking about that you've completely ignored. Nice.
3) No it isn't. "Anti-town agenda." Get out.

On April 12 2015 09:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Palmar isn't even cc'd so I'm going to ignore you until you actually pay attention to the thread properly.

At any rate, yamato should be the lynch unless he comes back and posts analysis and does things. Him being relatively apathetic is more reminiscent of his scum game than his town game. I'd imagine he would be fighting this lynch harder as town, whereas he would roll over more if he were scum kind of like he's doing here atm.

On April 12 2015 11:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
>If yamato is very inactive then he's probably mafia.
>Yamato becomes active.
>Okay, maybe yamato isn't mafia.
>WOW OBI IS MAFIA FOR THINKING THIS LOL.

Good job Gb.

On April 12 2015 11:59 Eden1892 wrote:

I can't cc him so nah

@sl I'm not sure if you jailed scum or not. Unless someone cc'd Palmar we really can't lynch him

On April 12 2015 12:20 yamato77 wrote:

Also this post is straight up lynch worthy. Was just defending me, now trying to act like he could lynch me again. Fucking mafia.

On April 12 2015 12:28 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Nobody is listening to you Gb. You're mafia.

On April 12 2015 12:45 Damdred wrote:
Instead of raging you should be proactive for town if you are town leave final thoughts reads etc

On April 12 2015 08:11 GlowingBear wrote:
Hi. I took a post-lunch nap and the nap took me 6 hours.

Because why not?

Anyway, I took my time to read HF's and Rsoultin's filter and they had very similar reads. I realised they were probably on the right track and got killed for that. Specially HF who has been suspicious day1 but has enough thread presence to guarantee a lynch on his target.

They were suspicious basically on Palmar, Obi and Vivax. Which I realised is an okay scum team.

Obi has no thread influence. He comes by, shuts down discussion and never moves thread forward. He just give random reads that are mostly off, but doesn't clearly has a scum target. He says he wants to lynch both me and ritoky but does nothing in that regard. He conviently lays back and let the rest of the game move on. His insistence of having me revealing HF's game content was weird, as I pointed out before.

Palmar and Vivax flipped their reads conviently too. Vivax decided palmar isn't town after night2 and palmar decided Vivax is town. Neither of them is doing anything with this. Vivax is pushing an AFK yamato wagon, and although yamato has a shot on being Mafia (since we could in fact be in a TvT scenario with Mafia laying back), these reactions fits this team completely.

And yes, I'm assuming I could be tunnelled on Damdy. He still could be Mafia, but I took a step back and I can see him coming from a town perspective. But I can't vote yamato when he is voting him too.

I think the best lynch today should be obi, and I'm voting him.

##Vote:obi

On April 25 2015 07:16 ritoky wrote:
I also wanted to comment somewhere, so I guess here is as good a place as any; that I think there is legitimately something beneficial to a mafia team that gets along, communicates in a positive manner, and actively plans as a team and not as individuals. Having seen some and been in some games of mafia QTs with yelling, fighting over night actions, people saying "i can't do x cuz it ruins my game" instead of thinking for the team, and the like; I hope more people who roll mafia try to work in their QT in a more positive and team oriented manner of communication....unless I roll town, then shitfight and play bad in your QT

Basically be nice and unselfish as mafia in your QT and it seems to lead to higher success rates.