I feel like I have to share more of my t´houghts regarding Eden.

He IS off. His play is remarkably different from the one I last witnessed. But so is mine, and I have no way to tell if he's off cause he speaks the truth and just felt forced into the game or not. Additionally, he should be aware of his last town game's style and I gamble that he would try to keep up that style as mafia.

But he has shown flexibility in a context where he was able to keep scumreading me and a bunch of other people.for calling him scummy based on his "bsbsb scum, discuss" posts, so that's one of the reasons I feel is worth holding back.

Vivax

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April 10 2015 16:51 GMT

#1838

On April 11 2015 01:48 Palmar wrote:
you know what. It's almost weekend so I'm just gonna fuck off. I'm going to pretend no one is voting me or scumreading me and ignore you all because you've all proven you're bad. So what I'll do instead is at my own leisure, if I feel like it, drop some reads and hard hitting analysis in the thread that will probably go over your tiny heads anyway.

No more rage. I'm playing single player mafia now.

Vivax

21972 Posts

April 10 2015 17:03 GMT

#1848

MIght want to leave Palmar alive for dat bash script

Vivax

21972 Posts

April 10 2015 17:13 GMT

#1856

On April 11 2015 02:11 GlowingBear wrote:

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Lol

People, listen to me once:

Damdred is Mafia
Palmar is Mafia

Lynch them and help me find the third
Win the game
Profit

I want you to analyze Damdred's massive vote analysis post or I might just 180 on my reads.

just like that

Vivax

21972 Posts

April 10 2015 17:20 GMT

#1860

On April 11 2015 02:15 Damdred wrote:
Don't worry vivax he already did and said it was just a narrative and when I answered him he totally never went back to it as he was lying.

Time to check this out

Vivax

21972 Posts

April 10 2015 17:29 GMT

#1867

Damdred is never mafia in this game and if he is he can have the win just for that post. Simply cause the narrative, if it is one, is townie. The way he knows exactly his thought process of jumping from one conclusion to the other is just really hard to fake.

Vivax

21972 Posts

April 10 2015 17:32 GMT

#1870

On April 11 2015 02:21 GlowingBear wrote:

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I've read his post. I think it was a huge effort. But not made by town, but by a Mafia afraid of getting shot. His vote count analysis isn't actually a vote count analysis, but mostly a narrative.

Like, seriously, Damdred CAN'T be town in this game. Simply can't.

And here I call bullshit cause it's likely the most extensive thought process in this thread.

Vivax

21972 Posts

April 10 2015 17:33 GMT

#1872

If you want to argue that Dam is mafia you have to point out what in his post is supposed to give him away. To me this sounds like you have decided to scumread him in before hand without even thinking thoroughly about what he wrote.

Vivax

21972 Posts

April 10 2015 17:34 GMT

#1873

On April 11 2015 02:32 Damdred wrote:
...you are ignoring the question why would I leave a huge legacy post in case I'm shot eight before deadline when nobody is basically in the thread

I like that you focus on the motivation as it's a good approach but really you should be townread just for the content.

Vivax

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April 10 2015 17:39 GMT

#1876

On April 11 2015 02:26 GlowingBear wrote:

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I said I don't want to speculate on unreliable information, but palmar being scum vigi and being jailed and, therefore, not able to shoot, and scum roleblocker wasting his roleblock on one of the dead townies (mainly HF, who hinted he was JK but was also strongly scumread by a possible vigi) and you taking the chance to claim being roleblocked without a counterclaim and therefore distancing yourself from palmar.

This looks very plausible to me

Vivax

21972 Posts

April 10 2015 17:41 GMT

#1878

YOUR THEORY IS THAT SCUM ROLEBLOCKED HF?

WTF
WTF

Vivax

21972 Posts

April 10 2015 17:42 GMT

#1881

On April 11 2015 02:40 ritoky wrote:
have first meetings with prenatal specialist today. not going to be around.

[image loading]

Cool so you gonna look at some pictures you can't decipher to determine if it's a boy or a girl.

Remember.

Call him Vito.

Vivax

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April 10 2015 17:48 GMT

#1883

On April 11 2015 02:44 GlowingBear wrote:
Just read this from town Damdred. It's his case on me on Hearthstone Mafia

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=88#1747

Compare to how he approaches me in that game.
Compare to how he approaches me here.

Now tell me how can someone so sure of my gameplay can possibly approach me like he has been doing here.

And yes, Vivax, I find that very possible

I say this before even reading HEarthstone:

You're gonna have a hard time convincing me that Damdred's massive post came from mafia.

If you think he is,, please display the mafia motivation in the massive post.

I have quoted my own mafia massive post during the night, I think there is a notable difference.

Vivax

21972 Posts

April 10 2015 17:48 GMT

#1884

So far I haven't seen any evidence of that post being mafia except you saying "duh, it's a narrative"

Vivax

21972 Posts

April 10 2015 18:43 GMT

#1888

On April 11 2015 03:01 GlowingBear wrote:

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I've already explained how context here is different.

Anyway, here is the meta case I made on Damdred in Imperial Mafia:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/474082-imperial-mafia?page=433#8646

You can see that his play here mostly fits his scum meta

And I'll thoroughly analyse Damdred's massive post then, but later. Gonna take a nap.

I can get behind a Damdred or a Palmar lynch.

I need people to hell me why are they townreading each one. Specially Vivax. What in that big narrative made you think Damdred is town, exactly?

Pretty much that while reading it I didn't get the feeling that he made a decision before reaching the conclusion
He is detailing how his point of view shifts with the information, it seems authentic to me. There is ALWAYS the chance it is good acting, but in that case it is not evident or needs to be proven as such. And in Damdred's case I doubt it as I already caught him as mafia in previous games.

In mafia games he has the ability to be talkative but those are the games where you can bust him on his motivation.Does he believe what he say? Does he push his scumreads? Does he defend his townreads? In this game so far he seems to be true to all this points and so I can't imagine him being scum unless you can prove otherwise.

The obligation of proof rests on you GB. You have to pick apart his case or his overall filter and display what of it makes him mafia cause your opinion differs from the rest of the people at the moment.

Vivax

21972 Posts

April 11 2015 16:00 GMT

#1989

Game is hard