On April 10 2015 20:50 sicklucker wrote:
Like vivax its a 100% fact that I just proved theres a mafia in dandred/palmer. Please prove me wrong. Lets not get in a pissing contest lets use logic

Palmar rescinded his claim. Read the game fully instead of basing everything off claims. It's easy to do and it's also not enough.

Vivax

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April 10 2015 11:54 GMT

#1744

Btw the guy you replaced claimed Jailor

Vivax

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April 10 2015 12:01 GMT

#1746

On April 09 2015 19:33 Palmar wrote:

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I rescind my claim. I am not a town vig and if any idiot tries to shoot me based on that there will be problems postgame.

Really go fucking read the game instead of throwing around your half witted wisdom

Vivax

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April 10 2015 12:04 GMT

#1749

Doesn't mean there's mafia in Palmar or Damdred.

I think Palmar is mafia but not cause of what you think, which doesn't make any sense.

Vivax

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April 10 2015 12:05 GMT

#1750

You probably also work from the assumption that vigs have to shoot N1

Vivax

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April 10 2015 12:12 GMT

#1752

I have seen vigs hold their shot, now what?

Vivax

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April 10 2015 12:12 GMT

#1754

Especially mafia vigs can bank on holding their shot cause stupid people fall for stupid speculation instead of doing old school scumhunting.

Vivax

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April 10 2015 12:27 GMT

#1759

Koshi, Palmar and ritoky would be my guess atm

Vivax

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April 10 2015 13:02 GMT

#1761

Yamato is scum if his activity doesn't equal his D1 activity. He has actually gotten better at not sounding inherently scummy but like me he tends to afk after he played the part good enough.

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April 10 2015 13:47 GMT

#1763

On April 10 2015 22:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:

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Since when?

Since the times of British empire and Got 2

Vivax

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April 10 2015 13:55 GMT

#1765

Point? You think he scum?

Vivax

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April 10 2015 14:13 GMT

#1771

On April 10 2015 23:01 Palmar wrote:
Vivax actually sounds a lot less scummy today I think.

You don't.

Gambling on ritoky's trolling D1 is fine if I overlook that you, in my opinion, chose to deliberately classify Onegu's trolling as scummy. Having him troll all the way into D2 isn't and I don't think that you as town would accept having him in the blind corner for this long without at least taking a better look at him, which you didn't. At the very least a town Palmar would have called for a shot on him in my opinion.

Also you call me less scummy now but my points on Koshi still stand and I didn't see anyone giving an opinion on them except yamato, who in my book is still more likely to be a town honest about his opinion than a scum, who doesn't need to have one as long as Koshi doesn't look like he's getting lynched.

Vivax

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April 10 2015 14:30 GMT

#1772

On April 10 2015 20:31 Palmar wrote:

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I think it's unchanged? I haven't particularly re-read him.

The attitude behind this post is awful.

It reveals that Palmar's scumreads which read to me very confident and hence very townie were nothing but his tryhard scum identity. There is no looking around or reconsidering. Palmar's play can be summarized into 2 big tunnels during D1 and N1 with some random "would also lynch this dude" in between.

He is way too content to leave his weaker reads being weak reads while spending all his energy on what he claims are his scumreads and him being the most experienced player in here I can guarantee that it's not how he plays town, which is a Palmar with a much wider scope.

This is one of the reasons I think Eden is townier cause he gave himself a good reason to scumread people after calling his initial post terrible and yet after reading the GB matter he assumed another position in which his former scumreads didn't seem as suspicious.

Palmar is static. He can be convincing on the people he chooses to scumread but then he assumes a tunnel vision that reads more like "Nice now I found some shit to write a shitton about" than what he would really believe.

Vivax

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April 10 2015 14:59 GMT

#1776

And you don't think you have to review your read on ritoky, Palmar? 3 pages of filter. Most of it being pics and gif? If anyone was worth of being shot, it would have been him. And yet there he stays. Townread by the majority of people for flimsy reasons. If anything he should have been town on probation for his observation on Damdred and DR, which after DR's flip is proven to be absolutely worthless.

Of all the town apparently only I question my former reads and go reread the day with all the flips in mind, just like in Guardians?

Vivax

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April 10 2015 15:02 GMT

#1777

Koshi instead has a townread on Palmar. He has it throughout all of D1 and N1, that would be my guess from what he wrote.

If I look at filters or facts it's generally cause I need to assess whether I'm wrong on them somewhere, so if I find something my conclusion will go into the opposite direction, unless prompted for explanations for a townread.

The townie motivation of using night actions coupled with logical fallacies on somebody I was townreading anyway is nonexistent.

Vivax

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April 10 2015 15:04 GMT

#1780

So I'm going to go ahead and say that Koshi just dumped thoughts into wifomy night actions cause it's a comfy thing to talk about. You don't have to analyse shit about what people wrote, you just assume an arbitrary opinion on something that could have multiple causes pretending that you know the exact cause, while he analyses stuff about a person he already concluded was town anyway he at the same time avoids to talk about his scumread (why should he? That scumread doesn't need more convincing since already a lot of people want to lynch it, i.E. me.)

Vivax

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April 10 2015 15:13 GMT

#1782

On April 11 2015 00:03 Palmar wrote:

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I sort of have to do it, yes.

Oh and I do question my reads, you've seen me flip on quite a few people this game already! I agreed with yamato's case on DR but unlike the rest of you bronze league scrubs I noticed the sincerity and frustration in his tone when he returned to the thread and fought against his lynch.

How's that for questioning my former reads?

You also chose BM over me in Guardians. The scum motivation for fighting against the easier lynch even when it's a townie is evident. It's in the expectation of townies expecting mafia to not defend townies, just like I did with Obi in another game where I was mafia. It should not be treated as anything alignment indicative. People on TL and especially veterans like you are well aware of that so using this as a defense (= I defended lynch bait) makes you look even worse.

Whether you defend townies or not is irrelevant. For you all that matters is appearing townie and anything you will dump posts into will do for that purpose, in this case your post dumpsters were GB and HF.

Vivax

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April 10 2015 15:14 GMT

#1783

On April 11 2015 00:08 Damdred wrote:
And what is your conclusion about Koshi from that Vivax?

That he's mafia obviously. One of your first games was Storm, well go reread him in Storm, when I was mafia and notice the difference, if you can.

Vivax

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April 10 2015 15:16 GMT

#1784

You should remember that game well cause Koshi offered me a lot of outs in that game, even when he was sure I'm mafia he allowed me to mislynch you before I met my demise.

Vivax

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April 10 2015 15:43 GMT

#1793

On April 11 2015 00:26 Palmar wrote:

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I chose him over you for Wifom. And it worked, because people read my filter for days thinking I was "saving" you.

I defended a townie because I don't suck. All of yall who voted him do suck.

1) Mafia motivation

2) Townie motivation

Now how does what you said make you town?