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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22310 Posts
April 10 2015 08:42 GMT
#1683
I was thinking Palmar was town too (now less sure cause of his confidence into HF) but then I don't try to use night actions to argue for that, what's the point? I just don't see the motivation for writing that post.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22310 Posts
April 10 2015 08:44 GMT
#1684
On a sidenote I will play better now that rso is out of the way now that I don't have to deal with the nuisance of having everything I write being called shit.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22310 Posts
April 10 2015 08:54 GMT
#1687
[QUOTE]On April 10 2015 17:48 Koshi wrote:
[QUOTE]On April 10 2015 17:40 Vivax wrote:
Koshi why do you try to use night actions to argue that Palmar is town with such confidence if you were thinking he was town beforehand. I have issues with the reasoning and the reasons to use that reasoning. I just don't see them.[/QUOTE]

(1) I don't use the night actions to confirm Palmar his alignment.

(2) I just think the night actions with 2 vigs, a scum rb and a jailer hold a lot of information.


I believe town vig should claim his shot. Even if he shot Palmar. Only if he didn't shoot he should stay quiet. If the town vig shot HF, 1 mafia KP is missing and I am sure mafia would use the vigi immediately. This indicates that Palmar got saved or is mafia. I forgot about the mafia part for a sec. Bad from me.

(3) So (mistakenly) I concluded purely looking from night actions point of view that Palmar was town for being shot.


(4) Anyway Vivax, I am keeping civilized but you are boring me. I am not going to ask you questions anymore btw. On purpose.[/QUOTE]

1: Yes you tried. That's why I'm asking you all of this.

2: How? Palmar can be mafia or town. No information. Vig didn't claim. No information. HF and rso died. Wifom information.

3: It's an odd mistake to make.

4: Annoy me when you don't think I'm mafia and ignore me when you do? You don't want more information from the mafia?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22310 Posts
April 10 2015 08:55 GMT
#1688
On April 10 2015 17:54 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2015 17:48 Koshi wrote:
On April 10 2015 17:40 Vivax wrote:
Koshi why do you try to use night actions to argue that Palmar is town with such confidence if you were thinking he was town beforehand. I have issues with the reasoning and the reasons to use that reasoning. I just don't see them.


(1) I don't use the night actions to confirm Palmar his alignment.

(2) I just think the night actions with 2 vigs, a scum rb and a jailer hold a lot of information.


I believe town vig should claim his shot. Even if he shot Palmar. Only if he didn't shoot he should stay quiet. If the town vig shot HF, 1 mafia KP is missing and I am sure mafia would use the vigi immediately. This indicates that Palmar got saved or is mafia. I forgot about the mafia part for a sec. Bad from me.

(3) So (mistakenly) I concluded purely looking from night actions point of view that Palmar was town for being shot.


(4) Anyway Vivax, I am keeping civilized but you are boring me. I am not going to ask you questions anymore btw. On purpose.


1: Yes you tried. That's why I'm asking you all of this.

2: How? Palmar can be mafia or town. No information. Vig didn't claim. No information. HF and rso died. Wifom information.

3: It's an odd mistake to make.

4: Annoy me when you don't think I'm mafia and ignore me when you do? You don't want more information from the mafia?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22310 Posts
April 10 2015 09:01 GMT
#1690
Wow you should check a psychologist
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22310 Posts
April 10 2015 09:02 GMT
#1692
The dice is cast, read this exchange please.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22310 Posts
April 10 2015 09:15 GMT
#1694
On April 10 2015 18:10 yamato77 wrote:
Vivax you're not helping yourself here.


All the points are true, you're a real idiot if you don't see it.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22310 Posts
April 10 2015 09:16 GMT
#1695
And when confronted Koshi goes full ad hominem.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22310 Posts
April 10 2015 09:22 GMT
#1697
On April 10 2015 18:19 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2015 18:15 Vivax wrote:
On April 10 2015 18:10 yamato77 wrote:
Vivax you're not helping yourself here.


All the points are true, you're a real idiot if you don't see it.

No they aren't, I clearly see Koshi's POV and how he got to where he got with the night action stuff. I also see how he made the mistake he did.

I mean, what are you even accusing him of? Being mafia, and calling a player town when he shouldn't have? Makes no fucking sense.


You make the common mistake of only looking at the content without evaluating the motivation. If Koshi was TRing Palmar anyway and already communicated it to the thread, what is the motivation to analyse night actions (wrongly) to reach a conclusion he already had?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22310 Posts
April 10 2015 09:29 GMT
#1698
On April 07 2015 23:24 Palmar wrote:
I guess I'll iterate in very short terms on each one. Almost all of these are crazy weak at the moment, but here's what I've thought:

Damdred sounds towny and aggressive. Again I liked him attacking GB at the start of the game.
Vivax just doesn't sound like mafia and he sheeped my case.
rsoultin is a pita. Mafia are rarely massive pita.
HF said something early that I liked. Also I'm wifom gambling on him doing this as town now.
yamato is just a tone read
ritoky because I am going to gamble that his trolling act is a town thing.

Eden: can't even remember a post
DR: has he posted?

Koshi voted rsoultin for being a pita to me I think. It wasn't awful but I didn't like it. Also his scumteam isn't all that great.
Onegu framed his play "I'm going to use a lot of lyrics". He's again doing that thing where he says he'll do something then delivers on it.
Obi because of the "Right" post in response to GB
GB because of all the reasons I've already posted.


These two reads make no sense.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22310 Posts
April 10 2015 09:58 GMT
#1701
On April 10 2015 18:41 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2015 18:29 Vivax wrote:
On April 07 2015 23:24 Palmar wrote:
I guess I'll iterate in very short terms on each one. Almost all of these are crazy weak at the moment, but here's what I've thought:

Damdred sounds towny and aggressive. Again I liked him attacking GB at the start of the game.
Vivax just doesn't sound like mafia and he sheeped my case.
rsoultin is a pita. Mafia are rarely massive pita.
HF said something early that I liked. Also I'm wifom gambling on him doing this as town now.
yamato is just a tone read
ritoky because I am going to gamble that his trolling act is a town thing.

Eden: can't even remember a post
DR: has he posted?

Koshi voted rsoultin for being a pita to me I think. It wasn't awful but I didn't like it. Also his scumteam isn't all that great.
Onegu framed his play "I'm going to use a lot of lyrics". He's again doing that thing where he says he'll do something then delivers on it.
Obi because of the "Right" post in response to GB
GB because of all the reasons I've already posted.


These two reads make no sense.

The first one is just a gamble so it's not really a good read.

The second one is valid though. It's just not a very strong one.


In my book they're both trolling and if one is mafia just cause he announced he would troll it sounds like bs
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22310 Posts
April 10 2015 10:13 GMT
#1704
On April 10 2015 19:01 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2015 18:58 Vivax wrote:
On April 10 2015 18:41 Palmar wrote:
On April 10 2015 18:29 Vivax wrote:
On April 07 2015 23:24 Palmar wrote:
I guess I'll iterate in very short terms on each one. Almost all of these are crazy weak at the moment, but here's what I've thought:

Damdred sounds towny and aggressive. Again I liked him attacking GB at the start of the game.
Vivax just doesn't sound like mafia and he sheeped my case.
rsoultin is a pita. Mafia are rarely massive pita.
HF said something early that I liked. Also I'm wifom gambling on him doing this as town now.
yamato is just a tone read
ritoky because I am going to gamble that his trolling act is a town thing.

Eden: can't even remember a post
DR: has he posted?

Koshi voted rsoultin for being a pita to me I think. It wasn't awful but I didn't like it. Also his scumteam isn't all that great.
Onegu framed his play "I'm going to use a lot of lyrics". He's again doing that thing where he says he'll do something then delivers on it.
Obi because of the "Right" post in response to GB
GB because of all the reasons I've already posted.


These two reads make no sense.

The first one is just a gamble so it's not really a good read.

The second one is valid though. It's just not a very strong one.


In my book they're both trolling and if one is mafia just cause he announced he would troll it sounds like bs

Eh.

I've talked about this before in other games, I'll see if I can find a link.

In essence. I believe that if you frame the way you're going to play in some particular way, you're giving yourself a constructed way to post so people won't expect you to break it. This makes posting as mafia much easier because you've already decided how you're going to post so you don't have to worry as much about the style or format of your posts.


I don't believe you to really believe this.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22310 Posts
April 10 2015 10:40 GMT
#1706
Quote games I need to check your alignments
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22310 Posts
April 10 2015 10:42 GMT
#1708
Besides it doesn't change my reads. My current guess is probably Palmar/Koshi and one of ritoky or Eden. Leaning heavier on ritoky cause Koshi seemed to try to convince Eden on GB at some point.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22310 Posts
April 10 2015 10:46 GMT
#1712
On April 10 2015 19:43 Palmar wrote:
Why am I mafia Vivax?


Cause looking at your GB push from a fresh perspective it now looks like my initial impression was before you typed it out: Bloated out of proportion.

Then I don't believe that you would townread ritoky over Onegu when they do similar things, and you didn't re-evaluate ritoky over the course of the game. Onegu has been way more productive and opinionated on the long term. To me it just looks comfy for you and Koshi to leave ritoky in the town corner, and it looks comfy for him cause he seems to have no pressure to scumhunt at all.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22310 Posts
April 10 2015 10:47 GMT
#1715
And I trust you are smart and experienced enough to be able to flip the switch on your playstyle as scum. I've witnessed you both trolly and tryhard as mafia.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22310 Posts
April 10 2015 10:50 GMT
#1716
Oh and I don't only need your alignments. I need to know if in your town games the guy who was posting in a constructed way was actually mafia.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22310 Posts
April 10 2015 11:23 GMT
#1725
So Palmar can you give me an updated read of ritoky
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22310 Posts
April 10 2015 11:45 GMT
#1735
If you base all your reads on claims and night actions you should probably play somewhere else.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22310 Posts
April 10 2015 11:46 GMT
#1736
You just won a game where town lost for that reason.
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