On April 10 2015 11:49 Damdred wrote:Damdreds Analysis Of People In Case he gets Shot during the night by Town Vig for being Bad: (sorry townies)
Vivax (2) - Rsoultin,
DreadReturnPalmar (0) -
GlowingBear (2) -
Damdred, Palmar,
Rsoultin (0) -
ObiWanShinobi (0) -
Eden1892 (2) - Yamato77, Ritoky,
Koshi (0) -
Damdred (1) - GlowingBear,
Yamato77 (0) -
DreadReturn (6) - Vivax, Koshi, HolyFlare, Onegu, ObiWanShinobi, Eden1892
0m 0s until deadline. Currently DreadReturn is set to be lynched.
The first thing that i'm doing here is coloring in the confirmed town DreadReturn as green as he flipped.
I am also going to color myself green because I am confirmed to myself even if my play has been spotty at points due to being out so much which I apologize for especially if vig shoots me tonight.
This paragraph contains too much words for little information. He displayed the votecount with the obvious train of thought that didn't need to be revealed (or could be revealed in the next votecount). This shows lack of fluency, which is commonly associated to scumNow to the heart of the matter
Damdreds Analysis Of People In Case he gets Shot during the night by Town Vig for being Bad: (sorry townies)
Vivax (2) - Rsoultin,
DreadReturnPalmar (0) -
GlowingBear (2) -
Damdred,
Palmar,
Rsoultin (0) -
ObiWanShinobi (0) -
Eden1892 (2) -
Yamato77,
Ritoky,
Koshi (0) -
Damdred (1) - GlowingBear,
Yamato77 (0) -
DreadReturn (6) - Vivax, Koshi, HolyFlare, Onegu, ObiWanShinobi, Eden1892
My first green marks are Ritoky, Palmar and Yamato. They are my strongest town reads at this point in time going forward,
Ritoky is partially a soul read/meta read. If you compare this game to Guardians of the Galaxy when he replaced in or Mafia Down Under you can see a sharp contrast, also you can look at Imperial Mafia or Season of a witch. It is a vast difference if you compare the games you see a stark contrast between the scum games and this game. He actually has good thoughts here for instance even though he was wrong on DR he picked out a great observation on that question he asked me and how it just didn't flow well with the posts.
Compared to his scum game he really is missing the super angry list post and how serious he is as scum. Really strongly town read Ritoky.
A lot of words, few information. What exactly is different? What is he comparing to? Just saying Ritoky is angry isn't enough.
Side note: it just felt that he searched for reasons to call ritoky town. It feels fabricated, as if he already knew ritoky is town here and he searched for reasons to call him town when there isn't actually very strong points in his filter to call him very townie, even if the rest of the thread unanimously read him as townPalmar is really strong this game, he opened the game up and it reminded me of Horns of Africa where he sees something he thinks is scummy and goes after it quickly and hard. he is trying to push the thread towards what I consider to be a good place especially early when the game is still forming and its inbetween the serious and the silly and gives us something to actually talk about in this situation in GB.
Again, lots of words, little information. Stating that Palmar is having a similar townplay as another game. But how? Just for tunneling? And which place is Palmar moving the thread to? And Palmar rehashed over and over ONE SINGLE POST to call me mafia. What is he giving the thread to talk about? This is just fluff.He really pushed his ideas forward in the thread and I like the direction hes going, his tone is good to me also and hes constantly re-evaluating his reads.
Palmar never reevaluated his reads. His scumread on me is static. Even after HF's death Palmar remained with the same reads, reevaluating nothing. Damdred is just making things up here.Yamato is putting forward some of the best effort I've seen him put into the game in a long time. The case on DR even though it was wrong it felt really sincere and well thought out. He asked good questions and when people started pushing other candidates (namely myself and obi when he sheeped) Yamato kept calling attention to his case and specifically asked us both to answer him.
When obi answered yamato specifically quoted the part of the case he wanted to talk about I believe and really wanted an answer. And going into the lynch near the end he wanted to jump off DR and lynch someone else he didn't want to go on someone he thought was an easy mislynch but someone he felt could be really scummy. Just because of effort and the way he went about the day left me thinking he was really towny.
Lots of words to say that yamato looks townie for having effort. Fluff. "He asked good questions", give me an example. Just fluff.Vivax (2) -
Rsoultin,
DreadReturnGlowingBear (2) -
Damdred,
Palmar,
Eden1892 (2) -
Yamato77,
Ritoky,
Damdred (1) -
GlowingBear,
DreadReturn (6) - Vivax, Koshi, HolyFlare, Onegu, ObiWanShinobi, Eden1892
Rsoultin I wasn't totally sure of early on just because i'm horrible about reading her. Rsoultin does really stick to her guns though in the thread to my eyes going towards end of day she really wanted his top two lynches to get attention and potentially get lynched and she showed an extreme wiliness to consolidate and not just afk and leave her vote fuck all near eod and reading through the only reason his vote is on Vivax is because shenanigans were possible at that point, she refused to vote GB and seemed to have doubts about DR at the time.
I really dont' want to spend a ton of time on GB because I've talked a lot about him during the rest of the thread. Look in his other mafia games and compare then look at what I said and see if I have any points about whats going on, even if you think its way weak just see if I have points. I think GB is really scummy still to me his reads really don't have much going on.
I'll admit I felt this part he really showed his thought processVivax (2) -
Rsoultin,
DreadReturnGlowingBear (2) -
Damdred,
Palmar,
Eden1892 (2) -
Yamato77,
Ritoky,
Damdred (1) -
GlowingBear,
DreadReturn (6) - Vivax,
Koshi, HolyFlare, Onegu,
ObiWanShinobi, Eden1892
ObiwanShinobi is a scum lean for me currently. I went into the night thinking that Obi was a town read for me because of his tone early on in the game and his wiliness to call my points on GB good. I have a really soft spot for people who call my posts good I suppose. however when I looked through his filter this post really caught my eye and sounds really superficial and fake to me
Show nested quote +On April 09 2015 13:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Should have stuck to the GB vote honestly.
It just strikes me as weird because he seemed so sure and his quick jump off GB really strikes me as weird in this situation. Also a loto f his posts read antagonistic towards HF and others to a point. Early in the thread when he also got the chance he decided to afk and leave the thread instead of getting involved in the early talk which I know has been asked to me earlier and I think its scummy in retrospect.
Pretty sure obis a bit more than a scum lean.
Meh, I also like this part...I actually like Koshi this game, he seems to have a direction in his postings in my mind. Hes also revisiting his reads and explaining them, he pushes his thoughts and pushes people to answer his question specifically towards vivax at points. His cases really feel sincere and his tone is really good and towny. I'm really sold on him being town.
Just narratives. Which reads Koshi revisited? What in his cases makes it feels sincere?
I do agree with him regarding koshi having very natural posting style, but this read lacks substance. Just narratives. Where are the facts? Proofs? What made he think this way? You can infer from here.Vivax (2) -
Rsoultin,
DreadReturnGlowingBear (2) -
Damdred,
Palmar,
Eden1892 (2) -
Yamato77,
Ritoky,
Damdred (1) -
GlowingBear,
DreadReturn (6) - Vivax,
Koshi,
HolyFlare, Onegu,
ObiWanShinobi,
Eden1892This will possibly be my most controversial read and I've read his filter three times almost. I went into the night/analysis phase thinking that HF was scum, however some things really changed my mind when I read his filter. He really pushes his own ideas during the night phase and tries to find answers to questions and figure out peoples reads going forward.
Look at how he addresses me about my read on Edn trying to figure out where I am and trying to find out if my read is scummy and not changing or if I have a legitimate way. Though I still think the lynch on DR and HF lack of care especially at the end was concerning ive seen it before he has really good follow through and his response to being tunneled pushed I feel has been pretty good.
Same lack of examples and in-depth elements in HF's filter that made him change his mind. Come on, he read it three times. These two paragraphs are too generic. Narratives.Eden I am scum reading currently but I have some misgivings on another read through. Eden has his town anger going on that I generally pick up on and town read him for but there are some things that still really bother me.
How is Eden being "angry"? Again, he fails to show usThese things that bother me are the way that he came into the game and the way that his read develops on me for instance it bothered me, and his post on GB still reads sort of waffly to me.
He does push what he thinks though and revisits his read on me and looks at it so honesty a bit of it is omgus granted and his revisit does ignore that i'm asking GB to show the question i'm avoiding which he doesn't take into account.
You know it. GenericEden is probably the person i'm most wrong about at this time if i'm wrong. I sort of feel like i'm looking through a clouded view of Eden because of his scum read on me, I've never seen him this angry as scum when I confronted him early in the game.
Vivax (2) -
Rsoultin,
DreadReturnGlowingBear (2) -
Damdred,
Palmar,
Eden1892 (2) -
Yamato77,
Ritoky,
Damdred (1) -
GlowingBear,
DreadReturn (6) -
Vivax,
Koshi,
HolyFlare, Onegu,
ObiWanShinobi,
Eden1892Onegu- I am pretty null on Onegu right now, his list posts are kind of meh and he doesn't feel connected sometimes in the game. But i'm nto sure that makes him scum.
Vivax- Originally going into near EoD I didn't see why Vivax looked so bad, DR pointed some things out to me when I asked about it and I reread his filter recently. If you compare it to Vivax recent town games its missing a lot of thoughts and explanations to a point, usually he has a lot more thoughts in what he posts. Look in guardians of the galaxy he pushes his thoughts and gives good explanations even if some of the theories don't pan out or ideas are wrong he still has them and shows them in the thread.
I don't see that as much this game, he says something gives a really short explanation why maybe just a sentence and I don't feel the push or drive to get what he thinks into the thread or into the spotlight.
Currently I have four scum reads/leans in Eden, Obiwan, Vivax and GB. Obviously one of these has to be wrong also I think its highly unlikely that we had three scum up for lynch at the same time. I'm sort of feeling like i'm the most wrong about Eden currently, so that leaves me in a world of GB, Vivax and Obiwan.
This part also feels okI sort of like this team as GBs initial push on HF got obiwan the ability to escape the thread and vivax sudden appearance at eod right as he was being discussed. Plus his lack of anything during the night, DR said some really good things about him also.
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