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On April 09 2015 08:56 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2015 14:22 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 07 2015 14:15 GlowingBear wrote:
HF is town How? He hasn't even done anything yet. @Rso: I have played a large number of games with Hf and I have never once seen him do this as town. Show nested quote +On April 07 2015 14:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 07 2015 14:23 GlowingBear wrote:On April 07 2015 14:22 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 07 2015 14:15 GlowingBear wrote:
HF is town How? He hasn't even done anything yet. @Rso: I have played a large number of games with Hf and I have never once seen him do this as town. He has a plan that can't follow Mafia agenda. Join his game I literally just told you that the only time Hf has done this was the time he was mafia. It has nothing to do with it not following "mafia agenda" or whatever that's supposed to mean when someone starts posting nothing. Only as mafia. Lies. Why is gb only a policy lynch then and not a scum read?
Sure I guess, except it's irrelevant because I was just wrong about you only doing it as mafia when talking about GB's read. Even if GB is reading you as town for something you've done as both alignments, it's still bad because it's an inaccurate heuristic on it's own instead of just being bad.
I didn't even remember you saying you did the game show thing as town in another game while in a game we played a year ago. I didn't even look Cultured up to recall the game thing: I just remembered that you've done it before as mafia so I used that as a basis to form reads.
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On April 09 2015 09:09 Holyflare wrote:
So do we get to lynching you yet?
lol'd
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I'm inclined to side with Palmar when it comes to this lynch.
Rso, can you explain why you thought Gb was town?
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Hf, is there some kind of response you're expecting in regards to me defending myself or are you just going to push me? I've responded to every single thing you've said.
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On April 09 2015 10:32 Holyflare wrote:
Nothing you said answered anything i wrote. I just read your filter and vomited from the overall tone of your posts.
Briefly explain these:
1. Why did you rage quit the game.
2. Why did you not conclude any of the people were mafia who just town read me. (if you say you did you're lying).
3. Follow up to 2. Why was gb obtuse and a policy lynch but not mafia for not explaining?
4. Why is gb mafia now? Palmar still based entire read on gb's post to me and you and is now shovelling more stuff on while he afk's exactly like he tried to do to me when i afk'd. Will never forget.
5. Why was i always a scum read because i only did a game as mafia to you but you only wanted to vote eden and didn't ever ever vote me?
Sentence on each please.
1) I didn't rage quit the game, I ignored the game you were hosting in the game.
2) I gave my reasons for reading every single player the way I read them. I had a townread on rso and a scumread on Gb.
3) Gb is both. The two are not mutually exclusive.
4) I thought Palmar's case was good, and I think the stuff I was asking him before in regards to him refusing to explain his read is scummy.
5) Because I didn't think my scumread on you was totally conclusive.
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"Tone."
Rofl.
Basing our reads on imaginary things now, are we?
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On April 09 2015 10:40 Holyflare wrote:
Yeh tone is totally an imaginary thing that nobody ever uses apart from how i lynch mafia in every game ever.
You rage quit the thread because people were town reading me. You lie about this gb read because after the policy lynch statement you THEN SAY tht you are starting to agree with palmar and gb could be scum. Rsoul only recently concluded i was null so to say you town read her before she said i was null is incredibly odd.
Tone is read plot hole spackle.
I didn't rage quit the thread because people were townreading you.
I didn't lie about my Gb read.
I've got a good enough grasp on Rso's game to realize that she's town I think, regardless of the townread-now-nullread on you.
I'm sorry you rolled scum this game Hf, but I'm not going to answer your questions anymore if you're just going to make it up as you go. It's clear you don't care about my responses about anything, so meh at your push.
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Rso would you be opposed to voting Holyflare?
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On April 09 2015 10:50 Holyflare wrote:
Obi's too dumb /mafia to realise that while i did nothing and people gave me free town reads it means I'm definitely town btw.
Lmfao no it doesn't.
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On April 09 2015 10:51 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2015 10:48 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Rso would you be opposed to voting Holyflare? yes his posting today seems townie he's also above the four names I just listed -_-
Seeming townie doesn't mean anything, you need to able to explain WHY it's town over just saying "it's townie lol."
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On April 09 2015 10:53 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2015 10:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 09 2015 10:51 rsoultin wrote:On April 09 2015 10:48 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Rso would you be opposed to voting Holyflare? yes his posting today seems townie he's also above the four names I just listed -_- Seeming townie doesn't mean anything, you need to able to explain WHY it's town over just saying "it's townie lol." STOP ARGUING ABOUT HF WE AREN'T LYNCHING HIM TODAY NOW IS THE TIME FOR REAL LYNCHES
We're lynching him tomorrow if he doesn't get shot then.
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On April 09 2015 11:02 Onegu wrote:
Why aren't we lynching koshi? Like he scum reads me hen ever follows up until I'm null for no reason, he only has a five page filter no original reads and only 2 posts of substance.
@eden you know my koshi read is on point, get on it unlike last time and lynching town Onegu instead...
Bolded is untrue.
Koshi is town.
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On April 09 2015 11:10 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2015 11:09 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 09 2015 11:02 Onegu wrote:
Why aren't we lynching koshi? Like he scum reads me hen ever follows up until I'm null for no reason, he only has a five page filter no original reads and only 2 posts of substance.
@eden you know my koshi read is on point, get on it unlike last time and lynching town Onegu instead... Bolded is untrue. Koshi is town. you fucker
wat
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Damdred's post on GB is pretty good.
Palmar's points on GB are pretty good.
I still think his read on Holyflare is bad and his stubborn refusal to explain it is scummy.
That's a good vote.
I could potentially coalesce with yamato on Dr. I thought that case was pretty good but I think the points on GB are better.
Pedit: Chill yam, I already voted.
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On April 09 2015 11:20 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2015 11:19 Damdred wrote:
Here's the thing, I feel really strongly about this lynch on GB. And the resistance against it to a point and the votes on GB piling up and then leaving makes me feel slightly better about pushing it I've been struggling lately with pushing things when I'm not entirely sure but I'm really sure about GB.
I would like GB to be lynched today, consolidate with me Are you fucking serious?
Why is that scummy?
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On April 09 2015 11:23 yamato77 wrote:
I want both of you (Dam/Obi) to read my posts on DR and comment on them specifically.
I said your case was good and I can switch.
Is there something you're looking for beyond that?
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On April 09 2015 11:25 Holyflare wrote:
Because the points on gb aren't good and this dr guy is anti town as all kinds of hell and not following up anything and not even responding at all while the scummy people in the thread derail it to gb. Damdred also says there's sufficient pushback to his gb read but doesn't explain how this makes gb mafia in the slightest and is an incredibly weird way to ohrase a reason to scum read someone.
You added GB to your mafia list, or at the very least, your watch list. What changed?
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On April 09 2015 11:30 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2015 11:28 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 09 2015 11:25 Holyflare wrote:
Because the points on gb aren't good and this dr guy is anti town as all kinds of hell and not following up anything and not even responding at all while the scummy people in the thread derail it to gb. Damdred also says there's sufficient pushback to his gb read but doesn't explain how this makes gb mafia in the slightest and is an incredibly weird way to ohrase a reason to scum read someone. You added GB to your mafia list, or at the very least, your watch list. What changed? Claimed vig, was reminded he was trying to keep my hidden reads secret, had awful posts like town gb. The only hesitancy was his read on me but he's afk and I'm not lynching an afk guy that talks a lot and can't defend himself over someone so anti town like dr.
The only point of dr being antitown is the fact that he won't reveal his smurf, which is a null tell.
Why is keeping your hidden reads secret towny and why are awful Gb posts towny posts?
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On April 09 2015 11:36 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2015 11:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 09 2015 11:30 Holyflare wrote:On April 09 2015 11:28 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 09 2015 11:25 Holyflare wrote:
Because the points on gb aren't good and this dr guy is anti town as all kinds of hell and not following up anything and not even responding at all while the scummy people in the thread derail it to gb. Damdred also says there's sufficient pushback to his gb read but doesn't explain how this makes gb mafia in the slightest and is an incredibly weird way to ohrase a reason to scum read someone. You added GB to your mafia list, or at the very least, your watch list. What changed? Claimed vig, was reminded he was trying to keep my hidden reads secret, had awful posts like town gb. The only hesitancy was his read on me but he's afk and I'm not lynching an afk guy that talks a lot and can't defend himself over someone so anti town like dr. The only point of dr being antitown is the fact that he won't reveal his smurf, which is a null tell. Why is keeping your hidden reads secret towny and why are awful Gb posts towny posts? so did you not read any of this? Show nested quote +On April 08 2015 18:56 yamato77 wrote:DreadReturnSmurf = -2 townpoints We're not starting off well here. On April 08 2015 04:55 DreadReturn wrote:I think Palmer's interpretation of GB's early post is pretty weak. Take the post that Palmer convinces himself with: On April 07 2015 19:39 Palmar wrote:On April 07 2015 19:33 Vivax wrote:On April 07 2015 19:29 Palmar wrote:On April 07 2015 19:11 Vivax wrote:
Damdred pretty hard on GB with his reasoning. Not sure if legit, he chose the worst possible explanation for GB complaining about HF vs Obi.
As if HF asking for an Obi wambulance was oh so informative lol. The point is not whether or not what they were doing was productive. The question is whether GB was doing anything useful at all. Define useful in a wambulance and random gif setting. Okay clearly you're being affected by a small head syndrome. HF and Obi were having a shitfest. I'm not arguing that. When this happens there are a few options open to a player not involved. Some of them are useful, some are useless. Here's a few options GB could have taken. GB could have: - Ignored it and walked away
- Tried to put a stop to it
- Tried to change the subject to something more entertaining or useful
- Joined in on the fun
- Idly complained about it without trying to stop it or change the subject
- Tried to glean some information from it
You'll notice that he did actually take one of the options. The problem I have is that is by fare the worst option available. By his own admission he wasn't trying to stop them, so what was he trying to achieve? He wasn't being funny, he wasn't being sociable, he wasn't trying to bring up a new subject, he wasn't scumhunting or trying to poke people further. Why did GB post? Two points here: "HF and Obi were having a shitfest" - That's not right. They exchanged maybe 5 small one liners and a picture between themselves. It's a very mild scuffle / banter. If GB could be accused of "stopping" anything, it's mild banter. "The problem I have is that is by far the worst option available" - Palmer isn't actually showing why GB is scum with this. How does this make him scum? He points out things that GB could have done, and then concludes that by act of omission GB must be scum. How? There's a huge logical gap there. This type of weak reasoning could easily be applied to anyone else on those pages, and again, we are talking about day 1 early game banter here. Palmer's analysis is weak because he is either exaggerating or misconstruing what GB said and did, and is suggesting GB is scum without actually giving a reason why he is scum. Misses the fucking point. ANY CASE MADE at that point is going to be extremely speculative, especially as the game continues on and more information comes into the thread. This is a weak defense of GB and also an incredibly easy post to make as mafia. What it fails to realize is this: GB's post where he strawmans Palmar is exactly the sort of thing a mafia would do in that situation: use fallacy to dumb down the argument and cause the thread to lose clarity. Palmar coming out of the gate firing is actually a pretty strong towntell, especially if he follows his read up later on. I have yet to see him do that but he may yet be the townie we all want him to be. As someone who is obviously not a mafia newbie, this player SHOULD know better than to attack Palmar for this sort of thing at this stage in the game. MOST people do not have the history to know that Palmar is actually a fucking beast when he wants to be and thus will only know Trollmar. People that only know Trollmar should even townread Palmar for this sort of thing. It doesn't make any sense for someone to attack him. On April 08 2015 06:45 DreadReturn wrote:On April 08 2015 05:23 yamato77 wrote:On April 08 2015 05:10 DreadReturn wrote:On April 08 2015 05:05 yamato77 wrote:On April 07 2015 20:44 GlowingBear wrote:
Palmar, being unfunny doesn't make me Mafia
If you think I had the intention of stopping discussion, you basically assume that I was protecting someone. If so, I'm automatically Mafia with one of them.
Thinking through a Mafia perspective, if I see two townies discussing, I won't interfere so they can tunnel each other.
So, you have to tell me who is my partner with them, or your argument simply doesn't hold water Worst post in the thread award goes to GB for this pile of scummy shit. Could you please explain how this post is alignment indicative? It is both a horrible straw man and a pathetic attempt at defending oneself from accusations. Your post on Palmar's post is also pretty bad. GJ. Again, could you please explain how this post is alignment indicative? All I see is an argument claiming that it is a low quality post, not an argument showing that it is a scum aligned post. Same for your comment on my post. You claim that it's bad - that's it? Am I scum for it? Is Palmar town for his post? Do you have any conclusions? Damdred, could you give one town read that's not Palmar and a brief (like 1 liner) explanation for it? Notably, his post on Palmar FAILS TO COMMENT ON HIS ALIGNMENT. He knocks me for attacking GB (as he did Palmar) yet he essentially did the same thing in GB's defense. Why is DreadReturn so concerned with defending GB, and not with providing actual scumreads? It is a common mafia tactic to defend a scummy-looking townie that people want to lynch in an effort to appear active and to derail town's efforts at consolidating on lynches. Based on this, it isn't difficult at all to see mafia motivation in DR's posting. Plus, he's a fucking smurf.
I did.
I'm not talking about yamato's reasons for scumreading Dr. I'm talking about Holyflare's.
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On April 09 2015 11:36 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2015 11:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 09 2015 11:30 Holyflare wrote:On April 09 2015 11:28 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 09 2015 11:25 Holyflare wrote:
Because the points on gb aren't good and this dr guy is anti town as all kinds of hell and not following up anything and not even responding at all while the scummy people in the thread derail it to gb. Damdred also says there's sufficient pushback to his gb read but doesn't explain how this makes gb mafia in the slightest and is an incredibly weird way to ohrase a reason to scum read someone. You added GB to your mafia list, or at the very least, your watch list. What changed? Claimed vig, was reminded he was trying to keep my hidden reads secret, had awful posts like town gb. The only hesitancy was his read on me but he's afk and I'm not lynching an afk guy that talks a lot and can't defend himself over someone so anti town like dr. The only point of dr being antitown is the fact that he won't reveal his smurf, which is a null tell. Why is keeping your hidden reads secret towny and why are awful Gb posts towny posts? No that's not the only point. Dr has multiple instances of asking questions and not giving a shit about the follow up (see him asking me about vivax and not giving a shit about my answer on his return). Spotting my reads means he's actually looking at all of my posts individually and is very likely why he called me town (looking for secrets). Keeping them hidden and berating eden for making them public is like having a secret town circle with someone feeding you information as it goes along, making that public hurts the agenda. Gb is also awful and makes awful posts as town. +he's afk.
So he doesn't make awful posts as scum?
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