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On April 08 2015 06:45 DreadReturn wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2015 05:23 yamato77 wrote:On April 08 2015 05:10 DreadReturn wrote:On April 08 2015 05:05 yamato77 wrote:On April 07 2015 20:44 GlowingBear wrote:
Palmar, being unfunny doesn't make me Mafia
If you think I had the intention of stopping discussion, you basically assume that I was protecting someone. If so, I'm automatically Mafia with one of them.
Thinking through a Mafia perspective, if I see two townies discussing, I won't interfere so they can tunnel each other.
So, you have to tell me who is my partner with them, or your argument simply doesn't hold water Worst post in the thread award goes to GB for this pile of scummy shit. Could you please explain how this post is alignment indicative? It is both a horrible straw man and a pathetic attempt at defending oneself from accusations. Your post on Palmar's post is also pretty bad. GJ. Again, could you please explain how this post is alignment indicative? All I see is an argument claiming that it is a low quality post, not an argument showing that it is a scum aligned post. Same for your comment on my post. You claim that it's bad - that's it? Am I scum for it? Is Palmar town for his post? Do you have any conclusions? Damdred, could you give one town read that's not Palmar and a brief (like 1 liner) explanation for it?
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On April 08 2015 13:57 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2015 13:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Rsoultin, yamato is probably not mafia. lol he was supposed to be proving to me his awesome towniness this game why is he probably not mafia?
cuz when HF came out with his plan:
yamato all like
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and then some1 else be like vsing yamato abotu dat shit and he be like
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mafia prob don't take such a vindicated stance so immediately esp in a neg direction abt HF's play.
hence why yamato is:
On April 07 2015 14:58 ritoky wrote:yamato - ![[image loading]](http://i.gyazo.com/0d80cf0eb0527b6f58077be00eae4cf2.png)
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On April 08 2015 14:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2015 14:05 Eden1892 wrote:On April 08 2015 14:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 08 2015 14:01 rsoultin wrote:On April 08 2015 14:00 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 08 2015 13:57 rsoultin wrote:On April 08 2015 13:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Rsoultin, yamato is probably not mafia. lol he was supposed to be proving to me his awesome towniness this game why is he probably not mafia? Because he's actually playing the game. His posts aren't jaw-droppingly excellent but he's talking about stuff. rofl i'm sorry but if we all had the same bar you apparently have for him none of us would be mafia xP what exactly is he talking about? i see a lot of sniping and little-to-no explanation what specifically makes you think he's town? In regards to a normal player I'd agree with you, but I've seen yamato's scumgame and the level of apathy he displayed was ridiculous, to the point where he didn't even bother commenting on anything at all and only came into the thread to lol at people and tell them he didn't have time to play. Yamato has almost always been a low content guy iirc. how apathetic? if you have a specific game in mind I can check out that'd be great, because he doesn't seem all that motivated here either so far but (1) i misread him on this exact point before lol and (2) you're saying it's worse than this so a specific example would be gr8 m8 Read showdown.
my imagination when i read this:
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reality:
On April 08 2015 14:16 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2015 14:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 08 2015 14:05 Eden1892 wrote:On April 08 2015 14:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 08 2015 14:01 rsoultin wrote:On April 08 2015 14:00 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 08 2015 13:57 rsoultin wrote:On April 08 2015 13:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Rsoultin, yamato is probably not mafia. lol he was supposed to be proving to me his awesome towniness this game why is he probably not mafia? Because he's actually playing the game. His posts aren't jaw-droppingly excellent but he's talking about stuff. rofl i'm sorry but if we all had the same bar you apparently have for him none of us would be mafia xP what exactly is he talking about? i see a lot of sniping and little-to-no explanation what specifically makes you think he's town? In regards to a normal player I'd agree with you, but I've seen yamato's scumgame and the level of apathy he displayed was ridiculous, to the point where he didn't even bother commenting on anything at all and only came into the thread to lol at people and tell them he didn't have time to play. Yamato has almost always been a low content guy iirc. how apathetic? if you have a specific game in mind I can check out that'd be great, because he doesn't seem all that motivated here either so far but (1) i misread him on this exact point before lol and (2) you're saying it's worse than this so a specific example would be gr8 m8 Read showdown. holy shit you ain't kiddin. rofl i will endorse this read. yamato is typically a low-volume poster but the difference between showdown (last mafiaside game played) and student vi (last townside game played) is night and day. when he's town he's a high-content poster despite the low volume, when he's mafia... just go check showdown his filter is literally 2 pgs of nothing lmao. and this game's performance so far is much closer to student vi. i still want to see him doing something to be sure but i'm cool with early tr on him
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dear vigi,
if HF and his play don't amount to anything in the next 22.3741 hours,
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no hesitations.
sincerely,
your town admirer
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time for my shithouse read of the day:
i don't like eden cuz this:
On April 08 2015 14:04 Eden1892 wrote:
i think i like this ritoky too
son returns to the thread with a quality observation (vivax already mentioned this) and more funny pics be like
i feel like that should feel townie but it don't. do not like.
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On April 09 2015 06:27 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2015 06:21 Holyflare wrote:A message from the game show host:##vote palmar
##vote dreadreturn
##vote eden
##vote obiwan lolwtf
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never lynch:
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On April 09 2015 07:12 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2015 07:10 Koshi wrote:On April 07 2015 23:44 Damdred wrote:
Hi palmar I'm kind of sick but being on top of your list makes me have good feelings.
As such I actually think Eden should be in the last bracket and RS might be better served marginally lower.
Eden is actually probably second on my list as scum after GB. Bad entrance and hasn't been memorable or tried to do much at all at this point. Which is anti-town for Eden at best. I also think its highly unlikely that RS and Eden would be scum together though for bad reasons this one is the best. Pls that was an easy read to make. Everyone else called my one post bad before he did and he never actually did anything to engage me or figure out my alignment from there
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On April 09 2015 07:15 DreadReturn wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2015 06:40 Koshi wrote:
In this limited timeframe I would like to encourage you to talk about possible scumreads and reasons why you are town over interrogating people you think are town. Or do you think yamato is mafia? Which is possible.
Also. I think only 2 people think gb is possible town.
Can you quickly givs your scumreads DR? Sleep time soon for me. After Vivax, HolyFlare and Obi, by process of elimination. I could argue why I think someone is more town than these three if you would like.
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On April 09 2015 07:19 DreadReturn wrote:
Is a full town read on everyone really what you would like ritoky?
Damdred, thoughts on Vivax?
i just want you to type shit. be all like
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any1 else notice that obi is like...the 3rd mafia on every1 who's made a list's lynch list....yet no one had made much of an effort or deal about it?
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to be serious for a moment here. i am at a real impasse.
i think palmar is pretty much null. i also have this policy where i don't vote on the largest filter day1 cuz 95% of the time dude is town.
but i also remember down under 2 where palmar had this similar insta-read on me that he blew out of proportion like this and literal 0 people listened to him, i shot him at night, and carried the game....so i am really tempted...
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GB is the largest filter palmar. i am talking about your read on GB this game and its similarity to your read on me in DU2
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On April 09 2015 08:13 Holyflare wrote:
And obi i looooooooveeeeeee how you just asked me a question and afk'd for the response. You really are likely mafia especially after i reminded myself why.
On April 09 2015 07:51 ritoky wrote:
any1 else notice that obi is like...the 3rd mafia on every1 who's made a list's lynch list....yet no one had made much of an effort or deal about it?
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i haven't voted yet....
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On April 09 2015 06:21 Fecalfeast wrote:Boatcount: Vivax (2) - Rsoultin, DreadReturn Palmar (0) - GlowingBear (2) - Damdred, Palmar Rsoultin (0) - ObiWanShinobi (0) - Eden1892 (0) - Koshi (1) - Onegu Damdred (2) - GlowingBear, Eden1892 Yamato77 (0) - DreadReturn (4) - Yamato77, Vivax, Koshi, HolyFlare until deadline. Currently DreadReturn is set to be lynched.
not voting: me and OWS
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On April 09 2015 11:02 Onegu wrote:
Why aren't we lynching koshi?
This:
On April 09 2015 06:33 ritoky wrote:never lynch:
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On April 09 2015 11:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2015 11:30 Holyflare wrote:On April 09 2015 11:28 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 09 2015 11:25 Holyflare wrote:
Because the points on gb aren't good and this dr guy is anti town as all kinds of hell and not following up anything and not even responding at all while the scummy people in the thread derail it to gb. Damdred also says there's sufficient pushback to his gb read but doesn't explain how this makes gb mafia in the slightest and is an incredibly weird way to ohrase a reason to scum read someone. You added GB to your mafia list, or at the very least, your watch list. What changed? Claimed vig, was reminded he was trying to keep my hidden reads secret, had awful posts like town gb. The only hesitancy was his read on me but he's afk and I'm not lynching an afk guy that talks a lot and can't defend himself over someone so anti town like dr. The only point of dr being antitown is the fact that he won't reveal his smurf, which is a null tell. Why is keeping your hidden reads secret towny and why are awful Gb posts towny posts?
so did you not read any of this?
On April 08 2015 18:56 yamato77 wrote:DreadReturnSmurf = -2 townpoints We're not starting off well here. Show nested quote +On April 08 2015 04:55 DreadReturn wrote:I think Palmer's interpretation of GB's early post is pretty weak. Take the post that Palmer convinces himself with: On April 07 2015 19:39 Palmar wrote:On April 07 2015 19:33 Vivax wrote:On April 07 2015 19:29 Palmar wrote:On April 07 2015 19:11 Vivax wrote:
Damdred pretty hard on GB with his reasoning. Not sure if legit, he chose the worst possible explanation for GB complaining about HF vs Obi.
As if HF asking for an Obi wambulance was oh so informative lol. The point is not whether or not what they were doing was productive. The question is whether GB was doing anything useful at all. Define useful in a wambulance and random gif setting. Okay clearly you're being affected by a small head syndrome. HF and Obi were having a shitfest. I'm not arguing that. When this happens there are a few options open to a player not involved. Some of them are useful, some are useless. Here's a few options GB could have taken. GB could have: - Ignored it and walked away
- Tried to put a stop to it
- Tried to change the subject to something more entertaining or useful
- Joined in on the fun
- Idly complained about it without trying to stop it or change the subject
- Tried to glean some information from it
You'll notice that he did actually take one of the options. The problem I have is that is by fare the worst option available. By his own admission he wasn't trying to stop them, so what was he trying to achieve? He wasn't being funny, he wasn't being sociable, he wasn't trying to bring up a new subject, he wasn't scumhunting or trying to poke people further. Why did GB post? Two points here: "HF and Obi were having a shitfest" - That's not right. They exchanged maybe 5 small one liners and a picture between themselves. It's a very mild scuffle / banter. If GB could be accused of "stopping" anything, it's mild banter. "The problem I have is that is by far the worst option available" - Palmer isn't actually showing why GB is scum with this. How does this make him scum? He points out things that GB could have done, and then concludes that by act of omission GB must be scum. How? There's a huge logical gap there. This type of weak reasoning could easily be applied to anyone else on those pages, and again, we are talking about day 1 early game banter here. Palmer's analysis is weak because he is either exaggerating or misconstruing what GB said and did, and is suggesting GB is scum without actually giving a reason why he is scum. Misses the fucking point. ANY CASE MADE at that point is going to be extremely speculative, especially as the game continues on and more information comes into the thread. This is a weak defense of GB and also an incredibly easy post to make as mafia. What it fails to realize is this: GB's post where he strawmans Palmar is exactly the sort of thing a mafia would do in that situation: use fallacy to dumb down the argument and cause the thread to lose clarity. Palmar coming out of the gate firing is actually a pretty strong towntell, especially if he follows his read up later on. I have yet to see him do that but he may yet be the townie we all want him to be. As someone who is obviously not a mafia newbie, this player SHOULD know better than to attack Palmar for this sort of thing at this stage in the game. MOST people do not have the history to know that Palmar is actually a fucking beast when he wants to be and thus will only know Trollmar. People that only know Trollmar should even townread Palmar for this sort of thing. It doesn't make any sense for someone to attack him. Show nested quote +On April 08 2015 06:45 DreadReturn wrote:On April 08 2015 05:23 yamato77 wrote:On April 08 2015 05:10 DreadReturn wrote:On April 08 2015 05:05 yamato77 wrote:On April 07 2015 20:44 GlowingBear wrote:
Palmar, being unfunny doesn't make me Mafia
If you think I had the intention of stopping discussion, you basically assume that I was protecting someone. If so, I'm automatically Mafia with one of them.
Thinking through a Mafia perspective, if I see two townies discussing, I won't interfere so they can tunnel each other.
So, you have to tell me who is my partner with them, or your argument simply doesn't hold water Worst post in the thread award goes to GB for this pile of scummy shit. Could you please explain how this post is alignment indicative? It is both a horrible straw man and a pathetic attempt at defending oneself from accusations. Your post on Palmar's post is also pretty bad. GJ. Again, could you please explain how this post is alignment indicative? All I see is an argument claiming that it is a low quality post, not an argument showing that it is a scum aligned post. Same for your comment on my post. You claim that it's bad - that's it? Am I scum for it? Is Palmar town for his post? Do you have any conclusions? Damdred, could you give one town read that's not Palmar and a brief (like 1 liner) explanation for it? Notably, his post on Palmar FAILS TO COMMENT ON HIS ALIGNMENT. He knocks me for attacking GB (as he did Palmar) yet he essentially did the same thing in GB's defense. Why is DreadReturn so concerned with defending GB, and not with providing actual scumreads? It is a common mafia tactic to defend a scummy-looking townie that people want to lynch in an effort to appear active and to derail town's efforts at consolidating on lynches. Based on this, it isn't difficult at all to see mafia motivation in DR's posting. Plus, he's a fucking smurf.
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On April 09 2015 11:37 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2015 11:36 ritoky wrote:On April 09 2015 11:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 09 2015 11:30 Holyflare wrote:On April 09 2015 11:28 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 09 2015 11:25 Holyflare wrote:
Because the points on gb aren't good and this dr guy is anti town as all kinds of hell and not following up anything and not even responding at all while the scummy people in the thread derail it to gb. Damdred also says there's sufficient pushback to his gb read but doesn't explain how this makes gb mafia in the slightest and is an incredibly weird way to ohrase a reason to scum read someone. You added GB to your mafia list, or at the very least, your watch list. What changed? Claimed vig, was reminded he was trying to keep my hidden reads secret, had awful posts like town gb. The only hesitancy was his read on me but he's afk and I'm not lynching an afk guy that talks a lot and can't defend himself over someone so anti town like dr. The only point of dr being antitown is the fact that he won't reveal his smurf, which is a null tell. Why is keeping your hidden reads secret towny and why are awful Gb posts towny posts? so did you not read any of this? On April 08 2015 18:56 yamato77 wrote:DreadReturnSmurf = -2 townpoints We're not starting off well here. On April 08 2015 04:55 DreadReturn wrote:I think Palmer's interpretation of GB's early post is pretty weak. Take the post that Palmer convinces himself with: On April 07 2015 19:39 Palmar wrote:On April 07 2015 19:33 Vivax wrote:On April 07 2015 19:29 Palmar wrote:On April 07 2015 19:11 Vivax wrote:
Damdred pretty hard on GB with his reasoning. Not sure if legit, he chose the worst possible explanation for GB complaining about HF vs Obi.
As if HF asking for an Obi wambulance was oh so informative lol. The point is not whether or not what they were doing was productive. The question is whether GB was doing anything useful at all. Define useful in a wambulance and random gif setting. Okay clearly you're being affected by a small head syndrome. HF and Obi were having a shitfest. I'm not arguing that. When this happens there are a few options open to a player not involved. Some of them are useful, some are useless. Here's a few options GB could have taken. GB could have: - Ignored it and walked away
- Tried to put a stop to it
- Tried to change the subject to something more entertaining or useful
- Joined in on the fun
- Idly complained about it without trying to stop it or change the subject
- Tried to glean some information from it
You'll notice that he did actually take one of the options. The problem I have is that is by fare the worst option available. By his own admission he wasn't trying to stop them, so what was he trying to achieve? He wasn't being funny, he wasn't being sociable, he wasn't trying to bring up a new subject, he wasn't scumhunting or trying to poke people further. Why did GB post? Two points here: "HF and Obi were having a shitfest" - That's not right. They exchanged maybe 5 small one liners and a picture between themselves. It's a very mild scuffle / banter. If GB could be accused of "stopping" anything, it's mild banter. "The problem I have is that is by far the worst option available" - Palmer isn't actually showing why GB is scum with this. How does this make him scum? He points out things that GB could have done, and then concludes that by act of omission GB must be scum. How? There's a huge logical gap there. This type of weak reasoning could easily be applied to anyone else on those pages, and again, we are talking about day 1 early game banter here. Palmer's analysis is weak because he is either exaggerating or misconstruing what GB said and did, and is suggesting GB is scum without actually giving a reason why he is scum. Misses the fucking point. ANY CASE MADE at that point is going to be extremely speculative, especially as the game continues on and more information comes into the thread. This is a weak defense of GB and also an incredibly easy post to make as mafia. What it fails to realize is this: GB's post where he strawmans Palmar is exactly the sort of thing a mafia would do in that situation: use fallacy to dumb down the argument and cause the thread to lose clarity. Palmar coming out of the gate firing is actually a pretty strong towntell, especially if he follows his read up later on. I have yet to see him do that but he may yet be the townie we all want him to be. As someone who is obviously not a mafia newbie, this player SHOULD know better than to attack Palmar for this sort of thing at this stage in the game. MOST people do not have the history to know that Palmar is actually a fucking beast when he wants to be and thus will only know Trollmar. People that only know Trollmar should even townread Palmar for this sort of thing. It doesn't make any sense for someone to attack him. On April 08 2015 06:45 DreadReturn wrote:On April 08 2015 05:23 yamato77 wrote:On April 08 2015 05:10 DreadReturn wrote:On April 08 2015 05:05 yamato77 wrote:On April 07 2015 20:44 GlowingBear wrote:
Palmar, being unfunny doesn't make me Mafia
If you think I had the intention of stopping discussion, you basically assume that I was protecting someone. If so, I'm automatically Mafia with one of them.
Thinking through a Mafia perspective, if I see two townies discussing, I won't interfere so they can tunnel each other.
So, you have to tell me who is my partner with them, or your argument simply doesn't hold water Worst post in the thread award goes to GB for this pile of scummy shit. Could you please explain how this post is alignment indicative? It is both a horrible straw man and a pathetic attempt at defending oneself from accusations. Your post on Palmar's post is also pretty bad. GJ. Again, could you please explain how this post is alignment indicative? All I see is an argument claiming that it is a low quality post, not an argument showing that it is a scum aligned post. Same for your comment on my post. You claim that it's bad - that's it? Am I scum for it? Is Palmar town for his post? Do you have any conclusions? Damdred, could you give one town read that's not Palmar and a brief (like 1 liner) explanation for it? Notably, his post on Palmar FAILS TO COMMENT ON HIS ALIGNMENT. He knocks me for attacking GB (as he did Palmar) yet he essentially did the same thing in GB's defense. Why is DreadReturn so concerned with defending GB, and not with providing actual scumreads? It is a common mafia tactic to defend a scummy-looking townie that people want to lynch in an effort to appear active and to derail town's efforts at consolidating on lynches. Based on this, it isn't difficult at all to see mafia motivation in DR's posting. Plus, he's a fucking smurf. I did. I'm not talking about yamato's reasons for scumreading Dr. I'm talking about Holyflare's.
hate to be a stickler, but you said "the only reason" not "your only reason"
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yamato, i need you to speak to me here. like i need you to engage serious mode with me for about 3 minutes.
tell me why i should be voting DR. my reads are telling me vote GB, but the people i am reading town (except damdred) are voting on DR....so who is wrong, me or my town?
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