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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22247 Posts
April 14 2015 17:43 GMT
#2641
Im not very good at reading ritoky like just happened in Guardians, if you think you can read him better Damdred you can convince me otherwise, I'm actually afraid of crapshooting atm.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22247 Posts
April 14 2015 18:04 GMT
#2642
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/480965-mafia-mini-mafia2-another-miniature-game-of-mafia?page=16

Notice Koshi on this page when Palmar first posts extensively about GB
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 14 2015 18:09 GMT
#2643
I noticed myself.

You think that because I know that GB is mafia I attack rsoultin for being wrong on attacking Palmar?

Doesn't really overflow of the TMI tbh.

I recognize decent posts. rsoultin doesn't.

What can I say. I am awesome like that.

If I am mafia. I could do 24 different things there to protect GB. But I didn't. I just attacked rsoultin her stupidity.
I had a good night of sleep.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22247 Posts
April 14 2015 18:10 GMT
#2644
I actually called out your mafia behaviour on D1 already cause only my post about him treating palmar as mafia triggered you to vote for GB but when asked for your read on him you said that it was what Palmar said, which is clearly BS.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 14 2015 18:11 GMT
#2645
OH DANG

On April 07 2015 20:48 Vivax wrote:
She actually wants to make peace with the mafia


LOOK AT WHAT I FOUND VIVAX

TMI MUCH???
I had a good night of sleep.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22247 Posts
April 14 2015 18:12 GMT
#2646
No just rsoultin being in our way when people try to scumhunt.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22247 Posts
April 14 2015 18:14 GMT
#2647
I now realize this post was fucking spot on:

On April 08 2015 15:27 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2015 22:05 GlowingBear wrote:
On April 07 2015 21:53 Palmar wrote:
Like that's the entire reason I'm voting you. I believe you posted without saying anything. Interjected yourself into a discussion without adding anything.

I think the above are mafia traits.


On April 07 2015 22:06 Vivax wrote:
You just said you don't think he's mafia wtf...


Are you Mafia with Damdy?


Show nested quote +
On April 07 2015 22:07 Koshi wrote:
##unvote
##vote GlowingBear


I might be voting for a townie now. But seriously...


Show nested quote +
On April 08 2015 03:35 Koshi wrote:
Vivax: He is off.
Holyflare: I don't think I had a real reason.
GB: What Palmar said.


Show nested quote +
On April 07 2015 19:39 Palmar wrote:
On April 07 2015 19:33 Vivax wrote:
On April 07 2015 19:29 Palmar wrote:
On April 07 2015 19:11 Vivax wrote:
Damdred pretty hard on GB with his reasoning. Not sure if legit, he chose the worst possible explanation for GB complaining about HF vs Obi.

As if HF asking for an Obi wambulance was oh so informative lol.

The point is not whether or not what they were doing was productive. The question is whether GB was doing anything useful at all.


Define useful in a wambulance and random gif setting.

+ Show Spoiler +
Okay clearly you're being affected by a small head syndrome.

HF and Obi were having a shitfest. I'm not arguing that. When this happens there are a few options open to a player not involved. Some of them are useful, some are useless. Here's a few options GB could have taken.

GB could have:

  • Ignored it and walked away
  • Tried to put a stop to it
  • Tried to change the subject to something more entertaining or useful
  • Joined in on the fun
  • Idly complained about it without trying to stop it or change the subject
  • Tried to glean some information from it


You'll notice that he did actually take one of the options. The problem I have is that is by fare the worst option available. By his own admission he wasn't trying to stop them, so what was he trying to achieve? He wasn't being funny, he wasn't being sociable, he wasn't trying to bring up a new subject, he wasn't scumhunting or trying to poke people further.

Why did GB post?


Palmar said that at April 07 2015 19:39

So Koshi isn't evaluating my behaviour in regards to GB and Palmar. That I asked Palmar to go into his scumreads, that I discussed it with him, that I accepted his reasoning on GB ultimately. But this isn't even my best point.

The most scummy thing here is that he only seems to scumread GB when I point out that he called Palmar town on the previous page, and yet gives Palmar's case as reason to scumread GB later on.
In that case there was no reason for him to say "I might be voting for a townie", cause apparently he already agreed with what Palmar said.

Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 14 2015 18:17 GMT
#2648
On April 15 2015 03:10 Vivax wrote:
I actually called out your mafia behaviour on D1 already cause only my post about him treating palmar as mafia triggered you to vote for GB but when asked for your read on him you said that it was what Palmar said, which is clearly BS.

What no it isn't?

Fuck you it isn't.

Now you are just lying.

I first voted for GB because he said something extremely dumb. It was so dumb that I thought it was townish. I don't know why I thought it. But I thought it. That's why I added a line.

But the reason why I had GB in my 3 reads had something to do with what Palmar said as well.


It's not because I voted GB because he said something retarded that I didn't had any other reasons to think GB was mafia. Also. I was still in my pretty trolly fase in the game. I don't use this as an excuse to do scummy things (which I didn't) but that you can't 100% explain/follow what I am thinking back then is normal. The problem you have is that the parts you can't follow from reading the thread fill in with some incorrect assumptions you make. And then your brain decides that these incorrect assumptions are the truth. And then we are were we are.
I had a good night of sleep.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22247 Posts
April 14 2015 18:18 GMT
#2649
Btw Koshi you took the post out of context. here it is, just above:

On April 07 2015 20:47 Vivax wrote:
I think rso enjoys stopping people from getting scumreads.


On April 07 2015 20:47 Vivax wrote:
If I remember the D1 in Guardians, I was getting really mad at her for always disagreeing with my scumreads.


On April 07 2015 20:48 Vivax wrote:
She actually wants to make peace with the mafia

Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22247 Posts
April 14 2015 18:19 GMT
#2650
On April 15 2015 03:17 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2015 03:10 Vivax wrote:
I actually called out your mafia behaviour on D1 already cause only my post about him treating palmar as mafia triggered you to vote for GB but when asked for your read on him you said that it was what Palmar said, which is clearly BS.

What no it isn't?

Fuck you it isn't.

Now you are just lying.

I first voted for GB because he said something extremely dumb. It was so dumb that I thought it was townish. I don't know why I thought it. But I thought it. That's why I added a line.

But the reason why I had GB in my 3 reads had something to do with what Palmar said as well.


It's not because I voted GB because he said something retarded that I didn't had any other reasons to think GB was mafia. Also. I was still in my pretty trolly fase in the game. I don't use this as an excuse to do scummy things (which I didn't) but that you can't 100% explain/follow what I am thinking back then is normal. The problem you have is that the parts you can't follow from reading the thread fill in with some incorrect assumptions you make. And then your brain decides that these incorrect assumptions are the truth. And then we are were we are.


Don't believe you scumread GB for what GB said cause when he said it you voted rso
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22247 Posts
April 14 2015 18:19 GMT
#2651
for what Palmar said*

You voted rso and didn't engage with Palmar or GB
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 14 2015 18:19 GMT
#2652
On April 15 2015 03:12 Vivax wrote:
No just rsoultin being in our way when people try to scumhunt.

Which is why I voted her. Because she was being a troll on a serious post. It was a joke vote to "steer town in the right direction" kinda thingie.

But I didn't do it because tmi.

You might though. I wonder if it was a scumslip tbh.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 14 2015 18:22 GMT
#2653
On April 15 2015 03:19 Vivax wrote:
for what Palmar said*

You voted rso and didn't engage with Palmar or GB

You point being?????????????????

That was how I was playing back then. I did shit. How is it scummy?

Where is the scum part?

I saw GB say something dumb. I voted him.
I saw rsoultin say something dumb. I voted her.


There is no inconsistency.

why should I have engaged Palmar?
why should I have engaged GB?

Show me why town Koshi would do that? In that state town Koshi waS?


Unless you can do that. You don't have fucking shit Vivax.
I had a good night of sleep.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
April 14 2015 18:26 GMT
#2654
I thought you wanted Yamato lynched today vivax?
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 14 2015 18:27 GMT
#2655
On April 15 2015 03:14 Vivax wrote:
I now realize this post was fucking spot on:

Show nested quote +
On April 08 2015 15:27 Vivax wrote:
On April 07 2015 22:05 GlowingBear wrote:
On April 07 2015 21:53 Palmar wrote:
Like that's the entire reason I'm voting you. I believe you posted without saying anything. Interjected yourself into a discussion without adding anything.

I think the above are mafia traits.


On April 07 2015 22:06 Vivax wrote:
You just said you don't think he's mafia wtf...


Are you Mafia with Damdy?


On April 07 2015 22:07 Koshi wrote:
##unvote
##vote GlowingBear


I might be voting for a townie now. But seriously...


On April 08 2015 03:35 Koshi wrote:
Vivax: He is off.
Holyflare: I don't think I had a real reason.
GB: What Palmar said.


On April 07 2015 19:39 Palmar wrote:
On April 07 2015 19:33 Vivax wrote:
On April 07 2015 19:29 Palmar wrote:
On April 07 2015 19:11 Vivax wrote:
Damdred pretty hard on GB with his reasoning. Not sure if legit, he chose the worst possible explanation for GB complaining about HF vs Obi.

As if HF asking for an Obi wambulance was oh so informative lol.

The point is not whether or not what they were doing was productive. The question is whether GB was doing anything useful at all.


Define useful in a wambulance and random gif setting.

+ Show Spoiler +
Okay clearly you're being affected by a small head syndrome.

HF and Obi were having a shitfest. I'm not arguing that. When this happens there are a few options open to a player not involved. Some of them are useful, some are useless. Here's a few options GB could have taken.

GB could have:

  • Ignored it and walked away
  • Tried to put a stop to it
  • Tried to change the subject to something more entertaining or useful
  • Joined in on the fun
  • Idly complained about it without trying to stop it or change the subject
  • Tried to glean some information from it


You'll notice that he did actually take one of the options. The problem I have is that is by fare the worst option available. By his own admission he wasn't trying to stop them, so what was he trying to achieve? He wasn't being funny, he wasn't being sociable, he wasn't trying to bring up a new subject, he wasn't scumhunting or trying to poke people further.

Why did GB post?


Palmar said that at April 07 2015 19:39

So Koshi isn't evaluating my behaviour in regards to GB and Palmar. That I asked Palmar to go into his scumreads, that I discussed it with him, that I accepted his reasoning on GB ultimately. But this isn't even my best point.

The most scummy thing here is that he only seems to scumread GB when I point out that he called Palmar town on the previous page, and yet gives Palmar's case as reason to scumread GB later on.
In that case there was no reason for him to say "I might be voting for a townie", cause apparently he already agreed with what Palmar said.


Let me answer this as well.

There are 2 events in the thread.

1)
GB says something stupid.
Koshi votes GB with the line: "GB might be town". Koshi added this line because he thought GB said something so dumb it might come from a townie. I don't know why I had that thought. I don't know if that thought is correct. But I had that thought and I wrote it down.

2)
Rsoultin asks Koshi to explain his GB/HF/Vivax scumlist.
Koshi answers that GB might be mafia because he believes what Palmar said was pretty legit.


Situation 1 and 2 are completely different. There also was a bunch of non seriousness in my play back then.

I can somewhere see what you mean. I can't exactly grasp why it was scummy from me. Something I should have thought because what I did in 1) and therefore I said something wrong in 2). But seriously... You are looking way too deep into that shit. Way too deep.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 14 2015 18:29 GMT
#2656
tbh I don't think Vivax as scum can keep this on so long. I am just starting my defense here because in Vivax/Koshi/Obi lylo I want to be prepared.
I had a good night of sleep.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22247 Posts
April 14 2015 18:32 GMT
#2657
On April 15 2015 03:22 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2015 03:19 Vivax wrote:
for what Palmar said*

You voted rso and didn't engage with Palmar or GB

You point being?????????????????

That was how I was playing back then. I did shit. How is it scummy?

Where is the scum part?

I saw GB say something dumb. I voted him.
I saw rsoultin say something dumb. I voted her.


There is no inconsistency.

why should I have engaged Palmar?
why should I have engaged GB?

Show me why town Koshi would do that? In that state town Koshi waS?


Unless you can do that. You don't have fucking shit Vivax.


What is this state you keep talking about?

I think it's simple. I see Palmar saying he found mafia, I keep baiting information out of him, I don't understand his first post, I understand his second when I ask, you are nowhere to be seen.

When he explains it I vote GB with him, then rsoultin starts picking on him for whatever reason, then you vote rsoultin, everyone decides she's a pita, yet you never engaged in that conversation.

Me, Palmar, rso, all took a stance in some way. You just vote out of nowhere and don't talk. When you talk is when I call out GB on something I found on my own, and even then you leave the caveat he could be town, yet when explaining your read on me WHEN YOU THROW ME IN A TEAM WITH HIM, its cause of what Palmar said.

So I say you are lying.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 14 2015 18:34 GMT
#2658
On April 15 2015 03:32 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2015 03:22 Koshi wrote:
On April 15 2015 03:19 Vivax wrote:
for what Palmar said*

You voted rso and didn't engage with Palmar or GB

You point being?????????????????

That was how I was playing back then. I did shit. How is it scummy?

Where is the scum part?

I saw GB say something dumb. I voted him.
I saw rsoultin say something dumb. I voted her.


There is no inconsistency.

why should I have engaged Palmar?
why should I have engaged GB?

Show me why town Koshi would do that? In that state town Koshi waS?


Unless you can do that. You don't have fucking shit Vivax.


What is this state you keep talking about?

I think it's simple. I see Palmar saying he found mafia, I keep baiting information out of him, I don't understand his first post, I understand his second when I ask, you are nowhere to be seen.

When he explains it I vote GB with him, then rsoultin starts picking on him for whatever reason, then you vote rsoultin, everyone decides she's a pita, yet you never engaged in that conversation.

Me, Palmar, rso, all took a stance in some way. You just vote out of nowhere and don't talk. When you talk is when I call out GB on something I found on my own, and even then you leave the caveat he could be town, yet when explaining your read on me WHEN YOU THROW ME IN A TEAM WITH HIM, its cause of what Palmar said.

So I say you are lying.

My state is that I wasn't seriously playing back then. It was really w.e I do some shit and have some fun with it style.

I understand what you are saying.

The truth is: "I didn't pay too much fucking attention to anything so shit like that happened"

You can think I am lying and I am mafia.

But

I am not.
I had a good night of sleep.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22247 Posts
April 14 2015 18:35 GMT
#2659
On April 15 2015 03:26 Damdred wrote:
I thought you wanted Yamato lynched today vivax?


I want to lynch mafia
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
April 14 2015 18:36 GMT
#2660
Well if koshi is mafia who isn't out of rit yamato
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