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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
April 11 2015 18:46 GMT
#2041
and holy crap theres a dead bird in my study room
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
April 11 2015 18:46 GMT
#2042
So your scum team is Koshi/Palmar and ? vivax?
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
April 11 2015 18:47 GMT
#2043
could get behind a lynch on GB or eden.

eden because he seems to conclude that effort/activity = town and not-effort/activity = mafia. he is a much better player than to conclude that stupid crap as town.

gb because damdred makes his giant vote post and this response to it is trash:

On April 10 2015 12:47 GlowingBear wrote:
Damdy you make your case look like a vote count analysis when it's just narratives. A huge pile of fluff.

The effort you've put makes me wary because I know you're effortless as Mafia. The problem is that you put effort into deceiving people, making them believe you made a huge vote count analysis when you actually just post narratives.

I said once and I'll repeat: town Damdred knows me too well to call me Mafia for the reasons you called me Mafia for.

You have an idea of what my tells are. Where did you see them in this game?


no specific explanation or quotes, all general criticisms, beginnings of doubt into redoubled push, and claiming the basis is pretty much omgus. this momentary hesitation hasn't really come up again until here:

On April 11 2015 12:26 GlowingBear wrote:
Like, Damdy, I decided to take a step back and try to see you coming from a town perspective. For instance I thought that if you were Mafia, your team wouldn't try to roleblock a possible jail keeper when you were in danger of being shot by the vigi.

But I fail to see you coming as town Damdred everytime I read you. I simply can't believe in any of your posts. Your night post is, again, not a "legacy" as you try to make it look like. It fits much more of a frightened Mafia perspectice who desperately seek to look townie in order to not get shot.

I fail to see what people are seeing as townie in you.


once again general criticism, lacks specifics, all heuristics. this push is fake and gb just shit fighting for the sake of shit fighting at this point. i think he realizes it is bad too.

my town reads day 1 are god tier. never doubt them: me, yamato, koshi, damdred all town never lynch.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
April 11 2015 18:50 GMT
#2044
On April 12 2015 03:42 Vivax wrote:
Ritoky the moment you post a meta guideline for how to identify you as town is the moment you have a guideline for how to play as mafia.

OH BUT I TROLL ALL GAEM I CANT BE MAFIAZ. Meta is meta and your contributions to this game are zero. Your play is maximum half assed.


every1 keeps telling me it gna be a girl, what name should i prepare for that?

2 games since i posted it, all of them have lined up with that post 1 way or the other, it's your fault if you don't follow the guy tryin to give you a helping hand.

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“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
April 11 2015 18:52 GMT
#2045
i'll be back in an hour or so.

#townjesusout

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“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
April 11 2015 18:55 GMT
#2046
On April 12 2015 03:50 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2015 03:42 Vivax wrote:
Ritoky the moment you post a meta guideline for how to identify you as town is the moment you have a guideline for how to play as mafia.

OH BUT I TROLL ALL GAEM I CANT BE MAFIAZ. Meta is meta and your contributions to this game are zero. Your play is maximum half assed.


every1 keeps telling me it gna be a girl, what name should i prepare for that?

2 games since i posted it, all of them have lined up with that post 1 way or the other, it's your fault if you don't follow the guy tryin to give you a helping hand.

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It's ok just cut down on the pictures and start playing please. If you are busy announce the time when you are around, and in the time when you're around do some work. I'm not confident into you being anything until you start delivering. If you're town you're an asset to mafia in this moment so time to change that. Not by answering what others want you to but by actually having an own direction.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
April 11 2015 18:56 GMT
#2047
On April 12 2015 03:46 Damdred wrote:
So your scum team is Koshi/Palmar and ? vivax?


Slow down please. I want to be confident on one person today. Ritoky just started playing again, yamato stopped, so the third is still in the air.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
April 11 2015 18:58 GMT
#2048
I'm not really trying to speed you up or force you to pick a scum team I just am trying to gather what I think are your scum reads currently. All of my town reads currently are telling me i'm dead wrong on GB, besides Palmar who just afk on gb meh.

Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
April 11 2015 19:00 GMT
#2049
Lynching yamato is actually a very attractive option. Palmar doesn't play on weekends.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
April 11 2015 19:02 GMT
#2050
The "afk past D1 + N1 after being widely townread" criterium has been met.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-11 19:31:32
April 11 2015 19:16 GMT
#2051
"Nope-count":


Koshi (0) -
Vivax (1) - Yamato77
Damdred (0) -
Eden (1) - Koshi
Palmar (0) -
GlowingBear (2) - Palmar, Damdred
Ritoky (2) - Sicklucker, Eden

until deadline. Currently GlowingBear is set to be lynched.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
April 11 2015 19:29 GMT
#2052
On April 12 2015 04:00 Vivax wrote:
Lynching yamato is actually a very attractive option. Palmar doesn't play on weekends.


It is looking that way, yes.
Retired.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
April 11 2015 19:30 GMT
#2053
Ritoky you know all self meta does is show you know your own meta and can change it.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
April 11 2015 19:32 GMT
#2054
Votecount updated. Made an error with Onegu's vote. GlowingBear is set to be lynched due to being the first person to reach 2 votes.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
April 11 2015 19:32 GMT
#2055
Shouldn't Onegs vote be removed and I believe GB be leading the lynch currently hosts?
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
April 11 2015 19:32 GMT
#2056
disregard my question teehee
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
April 11 2015 19:34 GMT
#2057
Ok so obviously i'm happy that my preferred lynch is leading at this point. None of my townies or confirmed towns believe in this lynch though, which is really frustrating because all of them think I am decent at finding mafia. So I really invite you again to look at the points that I brought that Palmar brought and look at games like arnie got a gun Fanfiction Mafia.

And vote GB. I'm not going to waste my vote though, i'd rather you guys move to GB.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
April 11 2015 19:37 GMT
#2058
Here is one simple yet effective and truthful case after reviewing his filter more carefully.I ask you to place your vote on yamato after reading this. Yamato is one of the mafias unable to keep a secret, if you get my drift. He's a real well of information, spilling important one with every post. The bigger the better.

Case in point, his Eden read. Read the spoiler. Do this:

Compare the amount of energy he puts into listing reasons for thinking Eden is scum to the rest of his reads.

Look at how he uses alignments to give people reads. I have shortened the case to focus on Eden. But in the original case you see how I am a null read. Townie for some reads, then scummier for saying Koshi is mafia.

Same for Damdred. He's townie cause he also thinks Eden is mafia. Yet in the same post yamato decides to conclude that he's town for effort after listing endless points for the opposite. Why did he do that in the first place???

Or HF. After he concluded that Eden gets a townread he says "lolhf" for believing that Eden is town.

Look at the original post and you will see so many instances of reads based on something like this: "Right reads=town", "wrong reads=scum". Except Eden. Eden he has been calling out on something all the time and after listing a plethora of reasons for him being scum he just decides to TR him. Just like that. There isn't a single reason for Eden being town in there and every point he lists is a reason for him being scum.

Then like his usual scum self he afks at D2. I'm super confident that the poor guy rolled mafia again lol.

On April 08 2015 18:56 yamato77 wrote:

Show nested quote +
On April 08 2015 06:15 Damdred wrote:
Eden your opening posts were popcorn without getting involved and that you weren't sure that Rsoul was town. I'm not sure how you want me to expound on them besides bad, you generally would of gotten involved in the thread which you didn't.

Coupeled with your move to now soul read Rsoul when nothing has drastically changed from the early game in that regard has me left with mixed feelings that could be best described as you being scum, and now you are pushing on vivax without even commenting on GB I think?.


Based on this post alone, I'm willing to townread Damdred.

He gives a short but accurate summation of Eden's play (and the problems with it) which shows both attentiveness to the thread and a critical level of analysis about Eden's lack of overall attentiveness to actual thread happenings that people would call important.

Why does Eden soulread rsoul at that point in the game? Why didn't he comment on GB, the leading lynch and perhaps the most-talked-about player in the game. It is strange. I scumread him for the same sort of reasoning. The fact that Damdred reached a similar conclusion with similar reasoning is enough to call him town.




Eden

To segue nicely here, let's talk about Eden and his choice of discussion topics.

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On April 07 2015 15:39 Eden1892 wrote:
all the grumpykins are mafia y/n?


I pointed out this post as horrible because it IS horrible. Not liking some sort of distracting thread-game is not alignment indicative. If one player decides to endlessly bitch about it and do nothing else, sure, but for me to simply opt out of joining in on HF's stupidity should not be anything alignment indicative to anyone. I'll talk more about this later when I get to HF but my point is THIS TYPE OF POST IS FUCKING STUPID

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On April 08 2015 06:07 Eden1892 wrote:
This is the list of wimps that called me scum but didn't vote me. Take note cuz at least one is mafia.

yamato
vivax
rsoultin
damdred
obi

My pick is Vivax for copying yamato right after yamato did and then not doing anything with it. My other pick is Obi because lol lack of energy but I actually think he might say that as town. It's definitely not rsoultin. Could I guess be Damdred (I didn't like him just calling my opening "bad" without explanation when I feel like he normally explains it more). But I kinda feel like Damdred might be town for some reason I don't know yet

Holyflare is prolly town. Koshi... Idk man, his posting style seems townie but he hasn't done a lot yet. When he's town there's normally a switch that gets flipped and he goes into obvtown mode, switch hasn't flipped yet. Palmar I like early.

That's everyone I think


These are his reads, for better or worse. He doesn't really explain ANY of his townreads, and his scumreads are all "called me scum but didn't vote me". Aside from that he comments on NOTHING ELSE THAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE GAME.

Who gives out thin townreads and is preoccupied with how other players perceive them? Mafia. He does this at the expense of noting the huge Palmar/GB interaction that goes on for pages. I find it difficult to believe a townie overlooks that and simply focuses on people "scumreading" him.

As for his explanation...

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On April 08 2015 06:32 Eden1892 wrote:
Oh and Damdred why should I comment on GB? I don't get the necessity of doing so while voting Vivax. (bear in mind I only skimmed the pages I wasn't around for and I glazed over a lot of GB's posts)


"skimmed gb's posts". But didn't he earlier call Palmar town? Shouldn't that clue him in on GB? and then...

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On April 08 2015 06:40 Eden1892 wrote:
oooh he is? that's weird cuz I don't remember him doing anything suspicious. his arguing with Palmar seemed a little pointless but not enough to lynch over.

who's voting for him?


>_________>

then we get the list post

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On April 08 2015 07:07 Eden1892 wrote:
New list, maybe probably last post before mtg tonight. I will maybe try harder when I get back from then, sorry my posting hasn't been great so far just haven't gotten into the swing of things yet I guess.

1. Damdred (Damdy wamdy): Seems like town!Damdred from what I remember. I might just be being lazy and missing inconsistencies in his posts but whenever I read his stuff it seems like it checks out. Searching and motivated early which is a good sign.

2. Koshi (Koosh ball): Tonally reads like town!Koshi to me, not seeing the productivity or the "on switch" for him yet. I feel like he probably will flip the switch at some point but I reserve the right to lynch him if he doesn't

3. Onegu (1gu): Literally don't even care, remember nothing but him posting lyrics. Dude just tends to troll and shit and get POE lynched late, hopefully he'll do something silly like claim mason in a way that can't possibly be scumread so I can read him.

4. ObiWanShinobi (obi trice, real name no gimmicks): Gets points for being the only motherfucker calling me mafia with the balls to put a vote on it, even though his reason was meh and I don't remember him doing much else. Not enough points to be town lean though.

5. GlowingBear (GB): I guess at some point I'll read what he said. If 4 people wanted to vote him over it then it must be important. But nothing he said really caught my attention the first time, seemed like some pointless nitpicking at Palmar but idk. I didn't read closely. zzz

6. DreadReturn (+ Show Spoiler +): This guy just posted and it sounded ok, which is great cuz otherwise I didn't remember he was even in the game. It seemed earnest though, he looks like he gives a shit.

7. rsoultin (+ Show Spoiler +): Count on it.

8.Palmar (Ram pal): I actually get this bad feeling in the back of my head that Palmar trying hard early makes him mafia, but his posting actually seemed pretty townie and I would much rather Palmar do this from now on so I'm gonna reward it with a townread. Seemed like he had a good direction to what he was digging into (although I admit I don't really remember much of what he was digging into lol). It was around p15-16, maybe later I'll go find what made me think this.

9.Vivax(Viv): What a wuss.

10.Eden1892 (Eden Stevens)

11.ritoky (Tokyo city? I got nothing): His gifs early were funny but he hasn't done anything yet. Having now seen a few of his games as either alignment recently I think I can get a good read on him in time.

12.yamato77 (Weapon Refit): Also a wuss, and it feels like he's doing a lot of grumpy posting without trying to fix the things he's grumpy about. Take with a grain of salt though because literally the exact last time I accused him of this he was town :/ I had him as italics red which is scumlean but thinking over this more he should probably be null. I'm not good at reading yamato but I don't like his early posting.

13.HolyFlare(Not DP): I generally like the arguments he's made so far and I look forward to the game show!!!!


Apparently he's confident enough to call Palmar town but HE DOESN'T EVEN REMEMBER WHAT PALMAR WAS DOING, BY HIS OWN ADMISSION

HE STILL HASN'T LOOKED AT GB! (wtf?!)

His read on me is so non-committal it makes me want to puke.

Soooooo yeah. I don't understand how he read the thread.

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On April 08 2015 07:45 Eden1892 wrote:
y not

i thought about not revealing it but people apparently missed it...


Apparently he's even really attentive, but entertains the idea that he should keep people's reads secret, for whatever reason. It doesn't make any sense. HOW DID HE NOTICE THIS IN HF's POST AND NOT KNOW WHY PEOPLE WERE VOTING GB?!?!

Page 3 of his filter is him actually going back and reading the thread, and at the end of it he comes back with this:

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On April 08 2015 13:39 Eden1892 wrote:
On April 08 2015 13:32 GlowingBear wrote:
On April 08 2015 13:09 Eden1892 wrote:
On April 07 2015 13:26 GlowingBear wrote:
So, first page of the game and we already have an Obi VS Holyflare discussion. Sigh.

I know this has been talked about already but: GB what was the point of this? HF and Obi looked like they were joking and then you suddenly seemed really seriously upset about it. You went on to say something about "deja vu" but I dunno what you're referencing. This post seemed a bit out of place so... what's goin on here?

On April 07 2015 13:37 Damdred wrote:
No seriously what's the point of you pushing on hf when he's trying to get information out of someone. So what the thread took a serious turn you just drew the conversation away from potential information into more joking.

I don't see why a town would want less information in thread at this point.

This is similarly weird because I didn't see how HF was trying to get information out of anyone or doing anything really but fucking around. And I don't see how GB turned the conversation back to joking around? In fact it was kinda the opposite, GB got serious in a way that felt a bit off tonally when HF was joking around with Obi.

On April 07 2015 14:03 GlowingBear wrote:
On April 07 2015 13:55 Damdred wrote:
On April 07 2015 13:48 GlowingBear wrote:
On April 07 2015 13:44 Damdred wrote:
On April 07 2015 13:41 GlowingBear wrote:
On April 07 2015 13:37 Damdred wrote:
No seriously what's the point of you pushing on hf when he's trying to get information out of someone. So what the thread took a serious turn you just drew the conversation away from potential information into more joking.

I don't see why a town would want less information in thread at this point.


Serious turn? They were joking at each other. How can the "wambulance" gather useful information?
The most serious post here was about HF teasing obi. You disagree with this?


My post is the most serious. But you jumped in instead of seeing where it would go


Damdy, I made a joke. I didn't ask them to stop talking.
You're nitpicking something that has no significance. You also avoided answering my question. Why?


which part? How obi hash left the thread after you interjected and called hf mafia somewhat? We lost information idk what question I'm avoiding


I asked what you think of what I said about HF teasing obi.

I don't understand what kind of information you were expecting from that discussion.

Also, if you think that HF was getting information out of obi and that obi took the chance to get out of the thread because I said HF is mafia, do you think obi is mafia?

This is a pretty good sequence IMO by GB. Damdred never answers this from what I can see in his filter, there's this half-answer in Damdred's post when he returns but it's not really a direct response. I think that makes Damdred a little suspicious because his initial assessment about what GB was doing was wrong and it looks like he was just taking the chance to pile on GB when he could.


Based on these posts GB is actually probably town and Damdred is slightly suspicious. I haven't gotten to the part where everyone decided GB is mafia but I already think it's wrong, so that could be fruitful.


I had nothing in mind when I posted that, I just thought it was a funny thing to point out. The déjà vu thing is exactly that: I always see them engaging that kind of argument.

So, after these considerations of yours, what are your updated reads?

You are probably town, Vivax looks alright, Palmar looks not so good, Damdred looks not so good. Das it mayne


Lol? Two of his townreads aren't actually town to him now and Vivax suddenly isn't scum?

Wtf was he doing before this point, if he's going to arrive at this conclusion now? Fucking off? Ugh.

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On April 08 2015 14:16 Eden1892 wrote:
On April 08 2015 14:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On April 08 2015 14:05 Eden1892 wrote:
On April 08 2015 14:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On April 08 2015 14:01 rsoultin wrote:
On April 08 2015 14:00 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On April 08 2015 13:57 rsoultin wrote:
On April 08 2015 13:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Rsoultin, yamato is probably not mafia.


lol he was supposed to be proving to me his awesome towniness this game

why is he probably not mafia?


Because he's actually playing the game.

His posts aren't jaw-droppingly excellent but he's talking about stuff.


rofl

i'm sorry but if we all had the same bar you apparently have for him none of us would be mafia xP what exactly is he talking about? i see a lot of sniping and little-to-no explanation

what specifically makes you think he's town?


In regards to a normal player I'd agree with you, but I've seen yamato's scumgame and the level of apathy he displayed was ridiculous, to the point where he didn't even bother commenting on anything at all and only came into the thread to lol at people and tell them he didn't have time to play.

Yamato has almost always been a low content guy iirc.

how apathetic? if you have a specific game in mind I can check out that'd be great, because he doesn't seem all that motivated here either so far but (1) i misread him on this exact point before lol and (2) you're saying it's worse than this so a specific example would be gr8 m8


Read showdown.

holy shit you ain't kiddin. rofl

i will endorse this read. yamato is typically a low-volume poster but the difference between showdown (last mafiaside game played) and student vi (last townside game played) is night and day. when he's town he's a high-content poster despite the low volume, when he's mafia... just go check showdown his filter is literally 2 pgs of nothing lmao. and this game's performance so far is much closer to student vi. i still want to see him doing something to be sure but i'm cool with early tr on him


And apparently I'm now town as well, just becuase I played ONE SCUM GAME where I didn't post basically at all?

Did you know that I've won as scum before in a game that contained rayn, marv, and Palmar all as town? My range of scum play isn't simply "doesn't play whatsoever", yet Eden is confident enough after reading a single filter of mine to give me a townread.

Overall, Eden's initial reads to the game fucking blew, and his reread of the game has him coming back with complete 180s on several people. It's nice to see that he's able to change his mind but I find it difficult to believe a lot of his reasoning. He's definitely not lynchworthy but he stuck out to me early. The more I read what I've written, the more likely I am to just call his early game play fucking lazy and write him off as town if his activity continues.

Damdred still gets points for noting his shitty early play.




Holyflare

I'm only commenting on his posts about me/obi because they are the only things actually related to the game of mafia!

http://i.imgur.com/AJAwkQ6.png

Boils down to:

"yamato doesn't like my game so he's mafia"

lolhf

fucking play the game.

http://i.imgur.com/DJnkL7n.png

Also boils down to:

"obi doesn't like my game so he's mafia"

lolhf

fucking play the game.

(notably, he must think eden is town because he also picks out posts where we shit on Eden. lolhf)
???

alignment: who the fuck knows? having fun does not = town



List Thingy For People Too Dumb To Read

Because there are many of you and I don't discriminate

ritoky
rsoul
Koshi

gb
eden
Palmar
damdred?

obi
HF
Onegu
Vivax
DreadReturn

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ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
April 11 2015 19:39 GMT
#2059
Yamato pushed Hf during the entire night sequence and was ecstatic after he died, mostly because he could play the game afterwards.

Then he afk'd throughout all of today.

=\
Retired.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
April 11 2015 19:39 GMT
#2060
On April 12 2015 04:34 Damdred wrote:
Ok so obviously i'm happy that my preferred lynch is leading at this point. None of my townies or confirmed towns believe in this lynch though, which is really frustrating because all of them think I am decent at finding mafia. So I really invite you again to look at the points that I brought that Palmar brought and look at games like arnie got a gun Fanfiction Mafia.

And vote GB. I'm not going to waste my vote though, i'd rather you guys move to GB.


Vote yamato. Eden is actually mafia. I thought the game was hard but a mafia yamato makes it gamebreakingly easy.

If I'm wrong which is extremely unlikely I will just give you full control over my vote tomorrow and we can lynch whoever you want.
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