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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 15 2015 14:33 GMT
#2867
On April 15 2015 23:32 Damdred wrote:
Actually I've been thinking Eden might of jailed me...that would doubly confirm me as town. He does say I must of been jailed by the JK before he realizes oneg is doing plays

Actually it changes nothing.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 15 2015 14:36 GMT
#2872
On April 15 2015 23:34 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2015 23:33 yamato77 wrote:
On April 15 2015 23:32 Damdred wrote:
Actually I've been thinking Eden might of jailed me...that would doubly confirm me as town. He does say I must of been jailed by the JK before he realizes oneg is doing plays

Actually it changes nothing.

Why does it change nothing? If i'm JK'd by Eden i'm just as confirmed as Palmar is at this stage because of game mecahnics

Either you were roleblocked by mafia, and can't be mafia, or you were jailed by town and can't be the vig, right?
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 15 2015 14:41 GMT
#2881
On April 15 2015 23:35 Vivax wrote:
Prelude: Eden breadcrumbs he RBd Damdred

Show nested quote +
On April 10 2015 13:37 Eden1892 wrote:
On April 10 2015 13:31 Damdred wrote:
Can you explain what you mean a bit more to me obi before I sleep.

Also idk if jk was being offensive or if was scum but was rb during the night

Definitely jailer IMO you were pretty townie near end of night. Would have been a great medic dodge


Onegu posts that he Jailed Palmar. Damdred claims roleblock. Now scum knows that Onegu is lying.



Since two roleblocks claimed by town mafia knows that Onegu was lying, so what do they do? They identify the lie.


Show nested quote +
On April 10 2015 16:45 Koshi wrote:

I am just saying that scum!Onegu is taking a very easy route this game. and for some reason it is working very well for him. However, also he is not the lynch for today.

##vote: Vivax


They knew Onegu was lying.
Next post Koshi realizes his mistake and fixes it by "believing the claim".

Show nested quote +
On April 10 2015 16:54 Koshi wrote:
I do not completely understand the night actions yet. I also now just realized Onegu claimed jailer and I actually believe that so disregard a lot of the things I said previous post.... So dumb.


Scum knew they shot HF and rso. Anyway, here's a massive donkey balls post.

assumptions by Koshi:

town vig shot HF, mafia shot rsoultin. 1 mafia KP missing, mafia shot Palmar.
Mafia KP missing, Palmar roleblocked.
PALMAR TOWN? Hell no. That doesn't make any sense.

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On April 10 2015 17:01 Koshi wrote:
If the town vig shot HF we know that HF his reads weren't as good as rsoultin and that Palmar likely got shot to frame HF. Anyway, we know that Palmar is town and that is the most important thing.

If the town vig forgot to shoot or got RB you shouldn't claim.
But please town vig claim...


And justifies it with bullshit logic:

Show nested quote +
On April 10 2015 17:02 Vivax wrote:
On April 10 2015 17:01 Koshi wrote:
If the town vig shot HF we know that HF his reads weren't as good as rsoultin and that Palmar likely got shot to frame HF. Anyway, we know that Palmar is town and that is the most important thing.

If the town vig forgot to shoot or got RB you shouldn't claim.
But please town vig claim...


Why?


Show nested quote +
On April 10 2015 17:05 Koshi wrote:
Because mafia kp is missing.


Why does he say that mafia KP is missing? Literally no base, he's just making it up and doesn't consider that Palmar could have been carrying it. As you see he's strongly leaning on Palmar being town for unknown reasons.

More bullshit when Eden and I point it out:

Show nested quote +
On April 10 2015 17:21 Koshi wrote:
On April 10 2015 17:14 Eden1892 wrote:
On April 10 2015 17:05 Koshi wrote:
Because mafia kp is missing.

palmar could have been carrying the missing kp

ahyeah. I guess. If mafia ever shoots 2 players later on, Palmar is mafia vig. Kinda funny. Never forget this piece of advice.


When Eden and I point it out he goes to the other extreme and says that the next vig shot HAS to be from scum Palmar.

To justify the missing logic even more:

Show nested quote +
On April 10 2015 17:22 Koshi wrote:
On April 10 2015 17:20 Vivax wrote:
There's zero logic in what you said unless you have more information koshi

The logic would be that I townread Palmar too much to consider him carrying kp.


Not much later on:

Show nested quote +
On April 11 2015 01:38 Koshi wrote:
##unvote:
##vote Palmar


I have 3-10 reasons. But probably maximum 3.


Show nested quote +
On April 11 2015 01:38 Koshi wrote:
##unvote
##vote: Palmar


What follows are istaces where he TRs both GB and ritoky, then votes Eden again. Says in one post I THINK PALMAR ISNT PLAYING VERY WELL AND NOT LIKELY MAFIA.

And then he says to me "Chances are good Palmar is last mafia".

Koshi is mafia and you will lose if you don't lynch him.

Why would a mafia act confused about missing KP? Seems like a mistake a townie is more likely to make than a mafia.

If mafia knew the night actions (as your post assumes they do), then it makes it less likely that a mafia koshi misinterpret the information in the thread.

Also, what motivation does mafia Koshi have for wanting to lynch Palmar, if he knew that his team roleblocked him and shot HF/Rso?

Your case isn't very good.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 15 2015 14:42 GMT
#2882
On April 15 2015 23:41 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2015 23:20 yamato77 wrote:
On April 15 2015 23:18 Koshi wrote:
I seriously am fed up with his 100% lies. I can tunnel people. I turn everything they do as scummy.

But Vivax.

That ********* ********** ********** ************ ************,

Just takes a post, and then changes everything to the exact opposite, and then calls that scummy.


Fucking ******** ******** ********** ******** I ever saw.

LXI, man, LXI

Marv was smurfing, gets elected mayor D1, lynches mafia prplhz.

Vivax is cop, checks mafia gonzaw N1. D2, claims his check, BUT WOULD RATHER LYNCH MARV THAN HIS OWN REDCHECK

And he thinks I'm mafia.

trololol


Ya and I caught gonzaw, what did you do?

... actually lynched gonzaw, who I thought was mafia before you claimed.

which you... didn't do.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 15 2015 14:44 GMT
#2885
On April 15 2015 23:43 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2015 23:41 yamato77 wrote:


Also, what motivation does mafia Koshi have for wanting to lynch Palmar, if he knew that his team roleblocked him and shot HF/Rso?




GB pushed Palmar. What motivation does he have?

Palmar has wanted to lynch him since 2 hours into the game and GB's only play the entire game was to rabid-dog OMGUS
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 15 2015 14:46 GMT
#2887
On April 15 2015 23:45 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2015 23:44 yamato77 wrote:
On April 15 2015 23:43 Vivax wrote:
On April 15 2015 23:41 yamato77 wrote:


Also, what motivation does mafia Koshi have for wanting to lynch Palmar, if he knew that his team roleblocked him and shot HF/Rso?




GB pushed Palmar. What motivation does he have?

Palmar has wanted to lynch him since 2 hours into the game and GB's only play the entire game was to rabid-dog OMGUS


So the mafia motivation to help GB doesn't exist?

I don't think any sensible mafia player that knows with relative certainty that Palmar is the vig (and knows Palmar the player) would call Palmar scum, regardless of their teammate's predicament.

I mean, look at what happened to Eden.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 15 2015 14:51 GMT
#2891
On April 15 2015 23:50 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2015 23:46 yamato77 wrote:
On April 15 2015 23:45 Vivax wrote:
On April 15 2015 23:44 yamato77 wrote:
On April 15 2015 23:43 Vivax wrote:
On April 15 2015 23:41 yamato77 wrote:


Also, what motivation does mafia Koshi have for wanting to lynch Palmar, if he knew that his team roleblocked him and shot HF/Rso?




GB pushed Palmar. What motivation does he have?

Palmar has wanted to lynch him since 2 hours into the game and GB's only play the entire game was to rabid-dog OMGUS


So the mafia motivation to help GB doesn't exist?

I don't think any sensible mafia player that knows with relative certainty that Palmar is the vig (and knows Palmar the player) would call Palmar scum, regardless of their teammate's predicament.

I mean, look at what happened to Eden.


So everyone who called Palmar mafia must be town.

Sound logic right here rofl

that is not what i said

but hey, dig your hole deeper, pal.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 15 2015 14:58 GMT
#2896
On April 15 2015 23:55 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2015 23:51 yamato77 wrote:
On April 15 2015 23:50 Vivax wrote:
On April 15 2015 23:46 yamato77 wrote:
On April 15 2015 23:45 Vivax wrote:
On April 15 2015 23:44 yamato77 wrote:
On April 15 2015 23:43 Vivax wrote:
On April 15 2015 23:41 yamato77 wrote:


Also, what motivation does mafia Koshi have for wanting to lynch Palmar, if he knew that his team roleblocked him and shot HF/Rso?




GB pushed Palmar. What motivation does he have?

Palmar has wanted to lynch him since 2 hours into the game and GB's only play the entire game was to rabid-dog OMGUS


So the mafia motivation to help GB doesn't exist?

I don't think any sensible mafia player that knows with relative certainty that Palmar is the vig (and knows Palmar the player) would call Palmar scum, regardless of their teammate's predicament.

I mean, look at what happened to Eden.


So everyone who called Palmar mafia must be town.

Sound logic right here rofl

that is not what i said

but hey, dig your hole deeper, pal.


You did say that.
Sensible mafia -> doesn't call Palmar scum
Koshi called Palmar scum -> He isn't sensible mafia

Who's the sensible mafia then yamato?

You?
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 15 2015 14:59 GMT
#2898
On April 15 2015 23:52 Vivax wrote:
Within 1 minute of distance Koshi says:

"If mafia vig ever shoots later on Palmar is mafia"

1 minute later:

"I townread Palmar too much to be considering that he carries KP"


I understand the second statement to be a hypothetical one in response to a question YOU asked him.

The first statement is also a hypothetical.

I don't see how stating possible (incorrect) hypotheticals makes someone mafia.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 15 2015 15:00 GMT
#2899
On April 15 2015 23:59 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2015 23:58 yamato77 wrote:
On April 15 2015 23:55 Vivax wrote:
On April 15 2015 23:51 yamato77 wrote:
On April 15 2015 23:50 Vivax wrote:
On April 15 2015 23:46 yamato77 wrote:
On April 15 2015 23:45 Vivax wrote:
On April 15 2015 23:44 yamato77 wrote:
On April 15 2015 23:43 Vivax wrote:
On April 15 2015 23:41 yamato77 wrote:


Also, what motivation does mafia Koshi have for wanting to lynch Palmar, if he knew that his team roleblocked him and shot HF/Rso?




GB pushed Palmar. What motivation does he have?

Palmar has wanted to lynch him since 2 hours into the game and GB's only play the entire game was to rabid-dog OMGUS


So the mafia motivation to help GB doesn't exist?

I don't think any sensible mafia player that knows with relative certainty that Palmar is the vig (and knows Palmar the player) would call Palmar scum, regardless of their teammate's predicament.

I mean, look at what happened to Eden.


So everyone who called Palmar mafia must be town.

Sound logic right here rofl

that is not what i said

but hey, dig your hole deeper, pal.


You did say that.
Sensible mafia -> doesn't call Palmar scum
Koshi called Palmar scum -> He isn't sensible mafia

Who's the sensible mafia then yamato?

You?


But I called Palmar mafia during D2.

Vivax called Palmar scum -> he isn't sensible mafia
He isn't sensible mafia -> He's some other kind of mafia.

What kind of mafia am I?

A really terrible one, we've already established that.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 15 2015 15:05 GMT
#2903
On April 16 2015 00:00 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2015 23:59 yamato77 wrote:
On April 15 2015 23:52 Vivax wrote:
Within 1 minute of distance Koshi says:

"If mafia vig ever shoots later on Palmar is mafia"

1 minute later:

"I townread Palmar too much to be considering that he carries KP"


I understand the second statement to be a hypothetical one in response to a question YOU asked him.

The first statement is also a hypothetical.

I don't see how stating possible (incorrect) hypotheticals makes someone mafia.


You are an idiot, read any basic experimental design book and come back.

Or you're a non-native english speaker trying to argue the finer points of language over a statement made by yet another non-native english speaker from a different country with a third player who is from yet another country, leading to this stupid discussion where you're unable to understand his logic, he's unable to adequately explain it, and I'm unable to convince you that you're just being stupid.

OR you're mafia.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 15 2015 15:05 GMT
#2904
On April 16 2015 00:01 Vivax wrote:
I can do this forever yamato. Split your bullshit into syllogisms and just lead you around like a blind dog.

this only makes you look worse, pal.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 15 2015 15:09 GMT
#2906
To really put the nail in the coffin, let's look at a Vivax scum game

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/373946-tl-mafia-lviii?user=Vivax&view=all

Read this filter, and then tell me that you think he's incapable of playing this way as scum.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 15 2015 15:15 GMT
#2909
On April 16 2015 00:13 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2015 00:09 yamato77 wrote:
To really put the nail in the coffin, let's look at a Vivax scum game

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/373946-tl-mafia-lviii?user=Vivax&view=all

Read this filter, and then tell me that you think he's incapable of playing this way as scum.


6 pages of filter in a 210 pages game.

With over twice as many players (30) in a less spammy metagame.

Filter length argument is not a good refutation whatsoever.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 15 2015 15:19 GMT
#2912
On April 16 2015 00:18 Vivax wrote:
Let's take it to the next level, yamato.

If you're in lylo with Koshi and Obi, who do you lynch?

We'll cross that bridge when we get there.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 15 2015 15:23 GMT
#2915
Vivax, you need to be making a more convincing case on someone you actually think is mafia if you're town and want to win this game.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 15 2015 15:23 GMT
#2916
On April 16 2015 00:22 Vivax wrote:
Apparently you only like to shitfight and not talk reads son

Your read was crap.

I'm uninterested in considering Obi for at least 60 hours.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 15 2015 15:26 GMT
#2919
On April 16 2015 00:25 Vivax wrote:
No I've already seen enough.

I'll quote it for you:

"Koshi voted Palmar, I don't know why but he's sensible mafia so he wouldn't push Palmar as mafia"

Yamato's read on Koshi, to be saved for lylo.

[image loading]
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 15 2015 15:27 GMT
#2920
On April 16 2015 00:26 Vivax wrote:
Then Obi:

"I don't know about Obi, I'm uninterested in forming a read on him until lylo even though we already have 146 pages of game"

Am I mafia, Vivax?
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 15 2015 15:29 GMT
#2922
On April 16 2015 00:28 Vivax wrote:
I'll vote for you if I can't get a majority on Koshi.

that means essentially nothing

You understand that you're the one getting lynched tomorrow, right?
Writer@WriterYamato
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