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On April 17 2015 14:32 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 14:13 Tubesock wrote:On April 17 2015 14:03 rsoultin wrote:On April 17 2015 14:00 Breshke wrote:On April 17 2015 13:50 rsoultin wrote:
fine don't talk to me, don't reevaluate, just dick around, whatever. i hope you're scum here for more reasons than one, prp ><
@bresh...what makes you more sure on Tube? i'm fine with either really lol >< Tube doesn't think he is a great player saying in some of his points he is a newbie whatever whatever and thats fair enough. I then dont see that reflected in him assessing trefel and myself which like no one agrees with and saying he is just trying to get all the worlds out there and then not assessing the other worlds. I cant see how this is town. Like with TBD he admitted himself that his theory was out there yet with his scumread on me he sounds more sure and not willing to consider other things. okay, yeah i can see this lol >< i thought it strange too that he talked about you, truffle and bourneq but isn't willing to consider something else...like he was pretty stubborn in carol, but he was certain on his hf read (which was actually right lol >< just most of his others weren't) but saying y'all may be town isn't demonstrating the same certainty at all I was right on 2 of that team in Carol. I was wrong on Sick and Lightningstrike. Here I'm right on Trfel and Bourneq most likely. Breshke I've already said he's town till he's CC'd. And no I am not setting up a claim. I like how you now insist that Breshke is town due to his claim, while you were suspicious of me for saying very similar things earlier. I also like how you say that Breshke is town until counterclaimed, while saying that it's scummy that I asked any potential power roles to counterclaim. I guess you like taking mafia as confirmed town?
What are you talking about? I've pushed that he could very well be fakeclaiming and just because Trfel says the real vet would 100% counter claim here doesn't make it true at all.
You didn't even consider it.
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On April 17 2015 14:36 rsoultin wrote:
eh honestly i don't see what's so scummy about the claim talks? like yeah i could see this world you have where breshke is scum with truffle and they just claim, encourage a cc, and both blues are outed but lol >< that world falls apart the moment you say breshke is scum
like if truffle and breshke are scum they have to be scum for more than just that >< that's like paranoid fear, tube
Possible. But the paranoid fear is what got me to recheck him.
I didn't like all the Bluehunting centric talk while he pressured Stutters. His play made me realize I was making excuses for his play based on my earlier read.
My biggest point is I think you guys are biased from your first reads. I don't think you are looking at the game objectively.
I mean Prp and Stutters fight for a full cycle for doing the exact same thing. Both are town. Same thing here. Trfel got towned for doing big posts with nothing that anyone really talked about. He pushed the Shining lynch basically on the sale that he can't read pages 7 - 23 in 30 minutes. Those pages are nothing but one liners essentially. It's not hard to read it that fast. I think Trfel was scumming Shining and basically making it look like he was the standard of effort that should apply.
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On April 17 2015 14:38 Breshke wrote:
Tube im just really like idk how toe xplain it. So you now realize that i am most deffinetly town. Then who is the third scum other than trefel or bourne.
I would also like to see you case bourne i know you stopped because people werent interacting with you about your casiesother than the people you cased but id like to see a bourne case.
Why? No one thinks Bourneq is town.
I have said I'd vote you three, I did rescind my intention to vote Breshke. So, Trfel or Bourneq I don't care.
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On April 17 2015 14:39 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 14:15 Tubesock wrote:
Why are you guys towning Trfel?
For his massive synapsis posts? He MUST DO THAT! Don't town him because he makes big posts.
None of you have asked anything about my case except for the 2 guys in it. Why? Yes. I'm scum because I did something that looks towny. Tubesock, this simply isn't how to scumhunt. To scumhunt, you want to look for mafia motivation. However, this doesn't mean look for "why would they do this as mafia", it means to look for the reasons that mafia would do this that town wouldn't have. Me making my four analysis posts is something I would definitely do as town, and would probably do as scum. In and of itself, it's not alignment indicative. Read what I said, that's what is alignment indicative. Nothing that you have posted suggests that I am scum. You've only showed that you disagree with several of the reasons that I have been townread. The one real potentially scummy thing in my filter, my hammer on TheBloodyDwarf over prplhz, isn't a reason you are scumreading me. Apparently I killed Half the Sky because she was the biggest threat to me. So what? She was the biggest threat to most everyone. Just because Trfel would have killed Half the Sky here doesn't mean that any other mafia team would not. And it doesn't mean that I am scum. Even as scum, you need to keep these things in mind. You can do crazy things and hope to get townread anyway, and often it will work, but normally your support dries up. Eventually you need some actual reasons behind your pushes.
What's alignment indicative is things of what you do. You agree that your extra effort is something that you would do as either alignment. I'm trying to get town to see that they shouldn't town you for it. I also think you had to overcompensate for Onegu's scumminess.
I don't think it is nearly as easy as "oh this post is alignment indicative." Or this one, it's too easy to fake. It's more about intentions of what they are doing. I don't want town to just pass you as town. I think that's a very dangerous mistake.
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On April 17 2015 14:49 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 11:10 Tubesock wrote:
Has Trfel done anything town this Day 3?
His sole "scumhunting" is in direct response to me scumming him. Otherwise he's trying to lead town to talk about claims and lynch's and whatever but when it comes to actual investigative work he comes up with excuses. And that swap off me to Bourneq is a joke.
##Unvote
##Vote: Trfel Yeah, you definitely don't care who gets lynched. And me voting Bourneq is a joke. If you are actually town here, you need to take some more time between posts to make sure that what you're saying makes sense. Your posting is loaded with inconsistencies. You're either scum or not thinking things through fully before posting.
It's a joke because you vote me, then are like, bah Bourneq instead. I don't think you will stay on him at all.
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On April 17 2015 14:56 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 14:45 Tubesock wrote:On April 17 2015 14:38 Breshke wrote:
Tube im just really like idk how toe xplain it. So you now realize that i am most deffinetly town. Then who is the third scum other than trefel or bourne.
I would also like to see you case bourne i know you stopped because people werent interacting with you about your casiesother than the people you cased but id like to see a bourne case. Why? No one thinks Bourneq is town. I have said I'd vote you three, I did rescind my intention to vote Breshke. So, Trfel or Bourneq I don't care. So do you still think im scum? if not who is out of the remaining players? Also because clearly i think your current analysis is lacking so i want to see what makes you think bourne is scum so i can then use that to rethink your alignment and if we should lynch you today.
He's folded everytime anyone talks to him. He's very conscious of how he looks. Even his last post is "uh I'm feeling better so can have stronger reads now!" yeah yeah
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On April 17 2015 14:56 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 14:45 Tubesock wrote:On April 17 2015 14:38 Breshke wrote:
Tube im just really like idk how toe xplain it. So you now realize that i am most deffinetly town. Then who is the third scum other than trefel or bourne.
I would also like to see you case bourne i know you stopped because people werent interacting with you about your casiesother than the people you cased but id like to see a bourne case. Why? No one thinks Bourneq is town. I have said I'd vote you three, I did rescind my intention to vote Breshke. So, Trfel or Bourneq I don't care. So do you still think im scum? if not who is out of the remaining players? Also because clearly i think your current analysis is lacking so i want to see what makes you think bourne is scum so i can then use that to rethink your alignment and if we should lynch you today.
If it were up to me I'd vote Trfel/Bourneq and then you. It'll give a lot of time to figure out. You'll be CC'd or NK'd soon enough anyway I think.
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On April 17 2015 14:56 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 14:54 Tubesock wrote:On April 17 2015 14:39 Trfel wrote:On April 17 2015 14:15 Tubesock wrote:
Why are you guys towning Trfel?
For his massive synapsis posts? He MUST DO THAT! Don't town him because he makes big posts.
None of you have asked anything about my case except for the 2 guys in it. Why? Yes. I'm scum because I did something that looks towny. Tubesock, this simply isn't how to scumhunt. To scumhunt, you want to look for mafia motivation. However, this doesn't mean look for "why would they do this as mafia", it means to look for the reasons that mafia would do this that town wouldn't have. Me making my four analysis posts is something I would definitely do as town, and would probably do as scum. In and of itself, it's not alignment indicative. Read what I said, that's what is alignment indicative. Nothing that you have posted suggests that I am scum. You've only showed that you disagree with several of the reasons that I have been townread. The one real potentially scummy thing in my filter, my hammer on TheBloodyDwarf over prplhz, isn't a reason you are scumreading me. Apparently I killed Half the Sky because she was the biggest threat to me. So what? She was the biggest threat to most everyone. Just because Trfel would have killed Half the Sky here doesn't mean that any other mafia team would not. And it doesn't mean that I am scum. Even as scum, you need to keep these things in mind. You can do crazy things and hope to get townread anyway, and often it will work, but normally your support dries up. Eventually you need some actual reasons behind your pushes. What's alignment indicative is things of what you do. You agree that your extra effort is something that you would do as either alignment. I'm trying to get town to see that they shouldn't town you for it. I also think you had to overcompensate for Onegu's scumminess. I don't think it is nearly as easy as "oh this post is alignment indicative." Or this one, it's too easy to fake. It's more about intentions of what they are doing. I don't want town to just pass you as town. I think that's a very dangerous mistake. tube, is truffle your most sure scumread right now? -prods- this is more important than the argument back and forth
Yes by far. I think he was faking being town this last day to get us to lynch today. I think he was trying to get credit for "leading town" and I don't think it's a towny direction.
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On April 17 2015 02:03 Bourneq wrote:
Scum: Prplhz, jarjar, and maybe tube?
I am not scum, I have done nothing but tell the truth the entire game, sometimes I get it wrong but that is simply because this is my first game and I am having a hard time keeping up. I have been doing my best but sometimes my lack of posting has simply been down to not being familiar enough with the game to feel confident in my suspicions. Now that there are so few people left I feel I can say with some certianty who the scums are.
That's all about wanting to look good.
JJB or Prp/Rso. But I think they are town, so would have to rerethink.
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On April 17 2015 15:07 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 14:54 Tubesock wrote:On April 17 2015 14:39 Trfel wrote:On April 17 2015 14:15 Tubesock wrote:
Why are you guys towning Trfel?
For his massive synapsis posts? He MUST DO THAT! Don't town him because he makes big posts.
None of you have asked anything about my case except for the 2 guys in it. Why? Yes. I'm scum because I did something that looks towny. Tubesock, this simply isn't how to scumhunt. To scumhunt, you want to look for mafia motivation. However, this doesn't mean look for "why would they do this as mafia", it means to look for the reasons that mafia would do this that town wouldn't have. Me making my four analysis posts is something I would definitely do as town, and would probably do as scum. In and of itself, it's not alignment indicative. Read what I said, that's what is alignment indicative. Nothing that you have posted suggests that I am scum. You've only showed that you disagree with several of the reasons that I have been townread. The one real potentially scummy thing in my filter, my hammer on TheBloodyDwarf over prplhz, isn't a reason you are scumreading me. Apparently I killed Half the Sky because she was the biggest threat to me. So what? She was the biggest threat to most everyone. Just because Trfel would have killed Half the Sky here doesn't mean that any other mafia team would not. And it doesn't mean that I am scum. Even as scum, you need to keep these things in mind. You can do crazy things and hope to get townread anyway, and often it will work, but normally your support dries up. Eventually you need some actual reasons behind your pushes. What's alignment indicative is things of what you do. You agree that your extra effort is something that you would do as either alignment. I'm trying to get town to see that they shouldn't town you for it. I also think you had to overcompensate for Onegu's scumminess. I don't think it is nearly as easy as "oh this post is alignment indicative." Or this one, it's too easy to fake. It's more about intentions of what they are doing. I don't want town to just pass you as town. I think that's a very dangerous mistake. Onegu wasn't scummy? And I'm not getting townread for effort, I'm getting townread for tone, read progression/explanation, and the fact that my mafia game is a disgrace to the site. Both of my non-town games, rsoultin caught me in a handful of posts. So you've gone from "here's why Trfel is scum" to "don't townread Trfel for these reasons". Why? You're attacking me with defense, not offense. You have no actual attack.
You haven't even read my case then. I saw the game Rso caught you. You picked a bad game to try to change your meta. That wasn't because you are not capable of looking towny as mafia.
How am I only defensing you. I've been repeating myself about how you haven't scumhunted in the first parts of Day 3. You only even noticed me because I came after you.
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On April 17 2015 15:28 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 15:23 Tubesock wrote:On April 17 2015 15:07 Trfel wrote:On April 17 2015 14:54 Tubesock wrote:On April 17 2015 14:39 Trfel wrote:On April 17 2015 14:15 Tubesock wrote:
Why are you guys towning Trfel?
For his massive synapsis posts? He MUST DO THAT! Don't town him because he makes big posts.
None of you have asked anything about my case except for the 2 guys in it. Why? Yes. I'm scum because I did something that looks towny. Tubesock, this simply isn't how to scumhunt. To scumhunt, you want to look for mafia motivation. However, this doesn't mean look for "why would they do this as mafia", it means to look for the reasons that mafia would do this that town wouldn't have. Me making my four analysis posts is something I would definitely do as town, and would probably do as scum. In and of itself, it's not alignment indicative. Read what I said, that's what is alignment indicative. Nothing that you have posted suggests that I am scum. You've only showed that you disagree with several of the reasons that I have been townread. The one real potentially scummy thing in my filter, my hammer on TheBloodyDwarf over prplhz, isn't a reason you are scumreading me. Apparently I killed Half the Sky because she was the biggest threat to me. So what? She was the biggest threat to most everyone. Just because Trfel would have killed Half the Sky here doesn't mean that any other mafia team would not. And it doesn't mean that I am scum. Even as scum, you need to keep these things in mind. You can do crazy things and hope to get townread anyway, and often it will work, but normally your support dries up. Eventually you need some actual reasons behind your pushes. What's alignment indicative is things of what you do. You agree that your extra effort is something that you would do as either alignment. I'm trying to get town to see that they shouldn't town you for it. I also think you had to overcompensate for Onegu's scumminess. I don't think it is nearly as easy as "oh this post is alignment indicative." Or this one, it's too easy to fake. It's more about intentions of what they are doing. I don't want town to just pass you as town. I think that's a very dangerous mistake. Onegu wasn't scummy? And I'm not getting townread for effort, I'm getting townread for tone, read progression/explanation, and the fact that my mafia game is a disgrace to the site. Both of my non-town games, rsoultin caught me in a handful of posts. So you've gone from "here's why Trfel is scum" to "don't townread Trfel for these reasons". Why? You're attacking me with defense, not offense. You have no actual attack. You haven't even read my case then. I saw the game Rso caught you. You picked a bad game to try to change your meta. That wasn't because you are not capable of looking towny as mafia. How am I only defensing you. I've been repeating myself about how you haven't scumhunted in the first parts of Day 3. You only even noticed me because I came after you. Yeah, I thought that I could still look towny as scum. I couldn't even pull it off as third party in Aperture 4. Holyflare straight up humiliated me Night 1. Rsoultin identified that I was third party and forced it out of me at the very start of Night 1. I can't prove it, as these conversations occurred over PM, but I'm sure rsoultin can vouch for it. You haven't been defending me, no. You misread what I said. What I mean is that, instead of sharing reasons why I am scum, you're sharing reasons why things that I could be considered town for are null (in your opinion). You're not sticking any scum on me, you're just trying to remove my townie points.
I meant it the way you did. I'm telling town not to just townread you for your effort. So, yeah that removes defense and I'm saying you are scummy for your D3 actions. I don't see how me saying you came in and IMMEDIATELY knew things that I think should have taken some time to at least think about. I'm accusing you of not reading the game because you don't have to. You also go straight for the no lynch/lynch and claim business which I think is not scumhunting.
That's scummy behavior not town.
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On April 17 2015 15:33 Trfel wrote:
Your posts have become less frequent. Running to the scum QT for advice?
Didn't know I should be spamming F5. I'm losing interest in you since everyone seemed to have left.
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On April 17 2015 15:38 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 15:35 Tubesock wrote:On April 17 2015 15:28 Trfel wrote:On April 17 2015 15:23 Tubesock wrote:On April 17 2015 15:07 Trfel wrote:On April 17 2015 14:54 Tubesock wrote:On April 17 2015 14:39 Trfel wrote:On April 17 2015 14:15 Tubesock wrote:
Why are you guys towning Trfel?
For his massive synapsis posts? He MUST DO THAT! Don't town him because he makes big posts.
None of you have asked anything about my case except for the 2 guys in it. Why? Yes. I'm scum because I did something that looks towny. Tubesock, this simply isn't how to scumhunt. To scumhunt, you want to look for mafia motivation. However, this doesn't mean look for "why would they do this as mafia", it means to look for the reasons that mafia would do this that town wouldn't have. Me making my four analysis posts is something I would definitely do as town, and would probably do as scum. In and of itself, it's not alignment indicative. Read what I said, that's what is alignment indicative. Nothing that you have posted suggests that I am scum. You've only showed that you disagree with several of the reasons that I have been townread. The one real potentially scummy thing in my filter, my hammer on TheBloodyDwarf over prplhz, isn't a reason you are scumreading me. Apparently I killed Half the Sky because she was the biggest threat to me. So what? She was the biggest threat to most everyone. Just because Trfel would have killed Half the Sky here doesn't mean that any other mafia team would not. And it doesn't mean that I am scum. Even as scum, you need to keep these things in mind. You can do crazy things and hope to get townread anyway, and often it will work, but normally your support dries up. Eventually you need some actual reasons behind your pushes. What's alignment indicative is things of what you do. You agree that your extra effort is something that you would do as either alignment. I'm trying to get town to see that they shouldn't town you for it. I also think you had to overcompensate for Onegu's scumminess. I don't think it is nearly as easy as "oh this post is alignment indicative." Or this one, it's too easy to fake. It's more about intentions of what they are doing. I don't want town to just pass you as town. I think that's a very dangerous mistake. Onegu wasn't scummy? And I'm not getting townread for effort, I'm getting townread for tone, read progression/explanation, and the fact that my mafia game is a disgrace to the site. Both of my non-town games, rsoultin caught me in a handful of posts. So you've gone from "here's why Trfel is scum" to "don't townread Trfel for these reasons". Why? You're attacking me with defense, not offense. You have no actual attack. You haven't even read my case then. I saw the game Rso caught you. You picked a bad game to try to change your meta. That wasn't because you are not capable of looking towny as mafia. How am I only defensing you. I've been repeating myself about how you haven't scumhunted in the first parts of Day 3. You only even noticed me because I came after you. Yeah, I thought that I could still look towny as scum. I couldn't even pull it off as third party in Aperture 4. Holyflare straight up humiliated me Night 1. Rsoultin identified that I was third party and forced it out of me at the very start of Night 1. I can't prove it, as these conversations occurred over PM, but I'm sure rsoultin can vouch for it. You haven't been defending me, no. You misread what I said. What I mean is that, instead of sharing reasons why I am scum, you're sharing reasons why things that I could be considered town for are null (in your opinion). You're not sticking any scum on me, you're just trying to remove my townie points. I meant it the way you did. I'm telling town not to just townread you for your effort. So, yeah that removes defense and I'm saying you are scummy for your D3 actions. I don't see how me saying you came in and IMMEDIATELY knew things that I think should have taken some time to at least think about. I'm accusing you of not reading the game because you don't have to. You also go straight for the no lynch/lynch and claim business which I think is not scumhunting. That's scummy behavior not town. So now you accuse me of not reading the game. You have no good reason for this at all. Spending time thinking about the night kill before End of Night isn't a good reason. Wanting to no lynch at MYLO when I'm busy isn't a good reason.
I've said the same thing over and over.
This really boils down to I don't think you considered that Breshke could be fakeclaiming. I don't think you have been trying to read what I'm saying about non you subjects. I guess it makes sense, why would you I'm scumreading you. Then why would you read anything else I say about anything else really.
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On April 17 2015 15:43 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 15:02 Breshke wrote:On April 17 2015 14:58 Tubesock wrote:On April 17 2015 14:56 Breshke wrote:On April 17 2015 14:45 Tubesock wrote:On April 17 2015 14:38 Breshke wrote:
Tube im just really like idk how toe xplain it. So you now realize that i am most deffinetly town. Then who is the third scum other than trefel or bourne.
I would also like to see you case bourne i know you stopped because people werent interacting with you about your casiesother than the people you cased but id like to see a bourne case. Why? No one thinks Bourneq is town. I have said I'd vote you three, I did rescind my intention to vote Breshke. So, Trfel or Bourneq I don't care. So do you still think im scum? if not who is out of the remaining players? Also because clearly i think your current analysis is lacking so i want to see what makes you think bourne is scum so i can then use that to rethink your alignment and if we should lynch you today. He's folded everytime anyone talks to him. He's very conscious of how he looks. Even his last post is "uh I'm feeling better so can have stronger reads now!" yeah yeah Can you explain/show me where he is conscious of how he looks. You also didn't respond to the first part. Ignore the boldded
What's there to say? I already answered this. Did you see anything about his read list? It literally had scum on every single person. Trfel was like "Ooooh I like this post" because whatever "even if he scumreads inactivity". He didn't notice at all that there were literally 11 scumreads in it.
I ask Bourn about it later he says he didn't know what null was. Which whatever he's knew, then later he only has 2 scum reads. Does a massive post on Prplhz but on TBD and Plot. I excused him because I thought he was learning. I don't know why. I think he was more useful that TBD.
I'm grabbing a bite to eat so forgive me if I don't keep up the proper post per minute quota.
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Something that I highly recommend for you really new guys is to see if you can shadow someone in a game. Shadowing is where you get placed with someone in a private QT and they will answer questions you might pose to then. What's their thought process, what they think, what they're trying to accomplish. I've done it with Artanis[XP] and it was amazing. You have to put in work though. They won't just give you a summary for you.
Also due to time constraints I've OBS which is good too but reading a game while it is happen is good too. You can practice your reads a little bit. Obs tends to have spoilers in them.
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For the record I probably would have gone after trfel as town. I would have really pushed for the no lunch though. Time is very valuable as town as I said and even noted how HTS beat us towns in that newb LX game. I was certain of the two scums but willing to risk the game to kill that games version of Bourneq.
I was planning on casing Bourneq too but ran out of energy. Rso said something about not needing defending then I realized maybe I shouldn't say anything about Bourneq. Later Trfel said its weird no ones pushing Bourn, so I didn't.
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On April 18 2015 08:52 Trfel wrote:
Hi, Tubesock.
I'm sorry for arguing like that with you. It was not called for. My apologies, you didn't deserve it in the slightest. Until those pushes on Breshke and me, you were playing a very good scum game.
I didn't take it personal. I didn't think you said anything mean or degrading. personally, you at least talked about how my case was bad with reasons. In the past scum just called me stupid to and tried discrediting me on dumb newbness. You Breshke, and Prphlz used reasons. I had to town Breshke and Prplhz earlier. Town tube would have backed down and pushed no lynch. Hard no lynch.
It made it easier to keep distracting but also I was planning on doing more today on you. I didn't want my cases too good because before when I did my tin foils I had more and more rational and easier to read posts. I knew I couldn't organically come up with anything. I had some posts in mind of yours that I thought I could argue you were just nitpicking. Like shining couldn't read 16 pages in 30 minute. You didn't seem to consider he read X amount before replacing or that they were mostly one liners.
My goal was to get town to consider you. I got word I'm working all weekend 12-16 hour days so knew I was going to die even if I didn't case you and breshke.
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