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On April 17 2015 08:06 Trfel wrote:
Actually, I just realized.
Bourneq is almost certainly scum here.
He is mafia's easiest mislynch. And he's been largely ignored for quite some time. If Bourneq were town, mafia would almost certainly push him. That's more than enough for me.
##unvote
##vote Bourneq
Bourneq is almost certainly mafia, Tubesock is probably mafia. One more between prplhz, rsoultin, and jarjarbinks. To further explain, the only way that this wouldn't be the case is if mafia was bussing today (which I find unlikely), or if they felt it would be easier to get another mislynch instead. But I see no united push. By far the most likely scum here is Bourneq.
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I won't be responding to Tubesock any more, or at least for a while.
Fairly confident that Tubesock and Bourneq are both mafia. Given the way Tubesock has been acting these last few pages, I could lynch him over Bourneq. I know that Tubesock will talk about how scummy this is, but I really don't care. He's mafia.
Still not much clue about the third mafia. But that's for another day.
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Actually hm, maybe I should argue with Tubesock. It would be fun 
Let's do that. I think that everyone in the thread is keeping up okay.
Hello, Tubesock. How are you doing?
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So, who do you guys want to lynch today? I see no need to leave it up to shenanigans.
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On April 17 2015 11:47 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 11:45 rsoultin wrote:On April 17 2015 11:39 prplhz wrote:On April 17 2015 11:32 Trfel wrote:
So, who do you guys want to lynch today? I see no need to leave it up to shenanigans. I should like to lynch rsoultin in the face and I believe I've made a multitude of statements expressing this sentiment. not happening, and if you're town you have to vote with town here anyway. pick someone else nope voting you. if you and four others are town then you need to put someone else to 4 votes before deadline. Is it just me, or is prplhz claiming scum? Please explain?
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On April 17 2015 11:40 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 11:27 Trfel wrote:Actually hm, maybe I should argue with Tubesock. It would be fun Let's do that. I think that everyone in the thread is keeping up okay. Hello, Tubesock. How are you doing? I'm great you? Doing fairly well. What's it like being scum for the first time?
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On April 17 2015 11:52 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 11:50 Trfel wrote:On April 17 2015 11:40 Tubesock wrote:On April 17 2015 11:27 Trfel wrote:Actually hm, maybe I should argue with Tubesock. It would be fun Let's do that. I think that everyone in the thread is keeping up okay. Hello, Tubesock. How are you doing? I'm great you? Doing fairly well. What's it like being scum for the first time? Fantastic, you going to bus Bourneq with me? That would require me to be scum. I'm sorry, I'm just not as special as you.
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On April 17 2015 11:56 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 11:54 Trfel wrote:On April 17 2015 11:52 Tubesock wrote:On April 17 2015 11:50 Trfel wrote:On April 17 2015 11:40 Tubesock wrote:On April 17 2015 11:27 Trfel wrote:Actually hm, maybe I should argue with Tubesock. It would be fun Let's do that. I think that everyone in the thread is keeping up okay. Hello, Tubesock. How are you doing? I'm great you? Doing fairly well. What's it like being scum for the first time? Fantastic, you going to bus Bourneq with me? That would require me to be scum. I'm sorry, I'm just not as special as you. Nice try. You going to do any scumhunting yet? No need. Two scum down. You guys are obvious enough that I don't need to make a case.
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On April 17 2015 12:13 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 12:05 Trfel wrote:On April 17 2015 11:56 Tubesock wrote:On April 17 2015 11:54 Trfel wrote:On April 17 2015 11:52 Tubesock wrote:On April 17 2015 11:50 Trfel wrote:On April 17 2015 11:40 Tubesock wrote:On April 17 2015 11:27 Trfel wrote:Actually hm, maybe I should argue with Tubesock. It would be fun Let's do that. I think that everyone in the thread is keeping up okay. Hello, Tubesock. How are you doing? I'm great you? Doing fairly well. What's it like being scum for the first time? Fantastic, you going to bus Bourneq with me? That would require me to be scum. I'm sorry, I'm just not as special as you. Nice try. You going to do any scumhunting yet? No need. Two scum down. You guys are obvious enough that I don't need to make a case. Convincing. So, you pretty proud of the chaos you created today? You mad because I ruined your play? What play am I supposedly making again? Remind me?
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On April 17 2015 12:18 prplhz wrote:
like i'm not going to say i'm not slightly salty because you lynched both of my noob town reads over my noob scum read but i know that it's also on me. i'm not exactly good at arguing or explaining or drumming up support. Would you prefer that I lynched you instead?
And jarjarbinks, I'd greatly prefer to lynch Tubesock over prplhz here. I could see prplhz being town without too much effort, I have much more trouble seeing Tubesock as town.
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On April 17 2015 12:25 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 12:23 Trfel wrote:On April 17 2015 12:18 prplhz wrote:
like i'm not going to say i'm not slightly salty because you lynched both of my noob town reads over my noob scum read but i know that it's also on me. i'm not exactly good at arguing or explaining or drumming up support. Would you prefer that I lynched you instead? And jarjarbinks, I'd greatly prefer to lynch Tubesock over prplhz here. I could see prplhz being town without too much effort, I have much more trouble seeing Tubesock as town. Funnyiest thing is you are acting like a polite Geript or Holyflare in my last games. You're pure OMGUS. I don't get why people town you. Maybe because they are town, so they are interested in reading people correctly?
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On April 17 2015 14:09 Tubesock wrote:
So, you guys really think I would as a first time mafia go after Trfel here? Thank you, that's ballsy as fuck. Like I would need a wheelchair they're big. Why not Prplhz? He's scummy as either alignment. Seems dumb to go after the biggest caser here. Yes, I do think you would do this. I'm not terribly hard to pressure. And the argument of "he wouldn't go after a high profile player, he's town" has been used this game already. That doesn't work after the first time.
I have the right to be lazy. I've caught a scum, almost guaranteed (Bourneq). There is literally no other pressure to lynch him here, which means that scum is not interested in him dying (which if Bourneq is town, would result in an easy victory). Any other lynch is prematurely advancing the schedule, taking a more risky lynch before it's necessary. But especially without any scum meta to compare to, I doubt much will change with regards to reading Tubesock.
See you guys tomorrow, I'll be relaxing.
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On April 17 2015 14:13 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 14:03 rsoultin wrote:On April 17 2015 14:00 Breshke wrote:On April 17 2015 13:50 rsoultin wrote:
fine don't talk to me, don't reevaluate, just dick around, whatever. i hope you're scum here for more reasons than one, prp ><
@bresh...what makes you more sure on Tube? i'm fine with either really lol >< Tube doesn't think he is a great player saying in some of his points he is a newbie whatever whatever and thats fair enough. I then dont see that reflected in him assessing trefel and myself which like no one agrees with and saying he is just trying to get all the worlds out there and then not assessing the other worlds. I cant see how this is town. Like with TBD he admitted himself that his theory was out there yet with his scumread on me he sounds more sure and not willing to consider other things. okay, yeah i can see this lol >< i thought it strange too that he talked about you, truffle and bourneq but isn't willing to consider something else...like he was pretty stubborn in carol, but he was certain on his hf read (which was actually right lol >< just most of his others weren't) but saying y'all may be town isn't demonstrating the same certainty at all I was right on 2 of that team in Carol. I was wrong on Sick and Lightningstrike. Here I'm right on Trfel and Bourneq most likely. Breshke I've already said he's town till he's CC'd. And no I am not setting up a claim. I like how you now insist that Breshke is town due to his claim, while you were suspicious of me for saying very similar things earlier.
I also like how you say that Breshke is town until counterclaimed, while saying that it's scummy that I asked any potential power roles to counterclaim. I guess you like taking mafia as confirmed town?
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On April 17 2015 14:15 Tubesock wrote:
Why are you guys towning Trfel?
For his massive synapsis posts? He MUST DO THAT! Don't town him because he makes big posts.
None of you have asked anything about my case except for the 2 guys in it. Why? Yes. I'm scum because I did something that looks towny.
Tubesock, this simply isn't how to scumhunt. To scumhunt, you want to look for mafia motivation. However, this doesn't mean look for "why would they do this as mafia", it means to look for the reasons that mafia would do this that town wouldn't have. Me making my four analysis posts is something I would definitely do as town, and would probably do as scum. In and of itself, it's not alignment indicative. Read what I said, that's what is alignment indicative.
Nothing that you have posted suggests that I am scum. You've only showed that you disagree with several of the reasons that I have been townread. The one real potentially scummy thing in my filter, my hammer on TheBloodyDwarf over prplhz, isn't a reason you are scumreading me.
Apparently I killed Half the Sky because she was the biggest threat to me. So what? She was the biggest threat to most everyone. Just because Trfel would have killed Half the Sky here doesn't mean that any other mafia team would not. And it doesn't mean that I am scum.
Even as scum, you need to keep these things in mind. You can do crazy things and hope to get townread anyway, and often it will work, but normally your support dries up. Eventually you need some actual reasons behind your pushes.
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On April 17 2015 14:34 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 14:29 Trfel wrote:On April 17 2015 14:09 Tubesock wrote:
So, you guys really think I would as a first time mafia go after Trfel here? Thank you, that's ballsy as fuck. Like I would need a wheelchair they're big. Why not Prplhz? He's scummy as either alignment. Seems dumb to go after the biggest caser here. Yes, I do think you would do this. I'm not terribly hard to pressure. And the argument of "he wouldn't go after a high profile player, he's town" has been used this game already. That doesn't work after the first time. I have the right to be lazy. I've caught a scum, almost guaranteed (Bourneq). There is literally no other pressure to lynch him here, which means that scum is not interested in him dying (which if Bourneq is town, would result in an easy victory). Any other lynch is prematurely advancing the schedule, taking a more risky lynch before it's necessary. But especially without any scum meta to compare to, I doubt much will change with regards to reading Tubesock. See you guys tomorrow, I'll be relaxing. Prplhz found him Day 1. You're just bussing. Oh, so now Bourneq is confirmed scum? But you want to lynch me anyway?
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On April 17 2015 14:43 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 14:36 rsoultin wrote:
eh honestly i don't see what's so scummy about the claim talks? like yeah i could see this world you have where breshke is scum with truffle and they just claim, encourage a cc, and both blues are outed but lol >< that world falls apart the moment you say breshke is scum
like if truffle and breshke are scum they have to be scum for more than just that >< that's like paranoid fear, tube Possible. But the paranoid fear is what got me to recheck him. I didn't like all the Bluehunting centric talk while he pressured Stutters. His play made me realize I was making excuses for his play based on my earlier read. My biggest point is I think you guys are biased from your first reads. I don't think you are looking at the game objectively. I mean Prp and Stutters fight for a full cycle for doing the exact same thing. Both are town. Same thing here. Trfel got towned for doing big posts with nothing that anyone really talked about. He pushed the Shining lynch basically on the sale that he can't read pages 7 - 23 in 30 minutes. Those pages are nothing but one liners essentially. It's not hard to read it that fast. I think Trfel was scumming Shining and basically making it look like he was the standard of effort that should apply. The case on The Shining was about inconsistency between how much time he implied he was spending on the game and the quality of his reads that he implied versus the amount of time he actually spent playing the game and the actual quality of his reads. I won't go into it much now, obviously I was wrong.
Note that Breshke (confirmed town) scumread The Shining with me, and rsoultin (likely town) townread The Shining primarily due to a good blue read (which I missed, I'm a terrible blue hunter).
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On April 17 2015 11:10 Tubesock wrote:
Has Trfel done anything town this Day 3?
His sole "scumhunting" is in direct response to me scumming him. Otherwise he's trying to lead town to talk about claims and lynch's and whatever but when it comes to actual investigative work he comes up with excuses. And that swap off me to Bourneq is a joke.
##Unvote
##Vote: Trfel Yeah, you definitely don't care who gets lynched. And me voting Bourneq is a joke.
If you are actually town here, you need to take some more time between posts to make sure that what you're saying makes sense. Your posting is loaded with inconsistencies. You're either scum or not thinking things through fully before posting.
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So. What does a scumteam do when two suspected players claim blue, leaving them close to losing the game due to process of elimination?
First thing they ought to do is counterclaim. I think that scum ought to counterclaim at MYLO, at least once. I'm really surprised that they didn't, this either indicates that the scumteam is not very skilled or has an extremely weak thread presence, such that their chances of pulling it off were minimal (or the best counterclaimer was the roleblocker, and it wasn't deemed worth the risk). I can't assume that the scum team is really that incompetent, so I assume that they didn't have the thread presence to pull it off.
Therefore, scum wants to probe as many places as possible, and try to see what sticks. If scum can cast doubt on one of the townread players, that is huge for their chances of winning. Town simply has to make sure that they don't get dragged down under the desperate scum attacks, and then make one or two good reads, and it's a win.
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On April 17 2015 14:54 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 14:39 Trfel wrote:On April 17 2015 14:15 Tubesock wrote:
Why are you guys towning Trfel?
For his massive synapsis posts? He MUST DO THAT! Don't town him because he makes big posts.
None of you have asked anything about my case except for the 2 guys in it. Why? Yes. I'm scum because I did something that looks towny. Tubesock, this simply isn't how to scumhunt. To scumhunt, you want to look for mafia motivation. However, this doesn't mean look for "why would they do this as mafia", it means to look for the reasons that mafia would do this that town wouldn't have. Me making my four analysis posts is something I would definitely do as town, and would probably do as scum. In and of itself, it's not alignment indicative. Read what I said, that's what is alignment indicative. Nothing that you have posted suggests that I am scum. You've only showed that you disagree with several of the reasons that I have been townread. The one real potentially scummy thing in my filter, my hammer on TheBloodyDwarf over prplhz, isn't a reason you are scumreading me. Apparently I killed Half the Sky because she was the biggest threat to me. So what? She was the biggest threat to most everyone. Just because Trfel would have killed Half the Sky here doesn't mean that any other mafia team would not. And it doesn't mean that I am scum. Even as scum, you need to keep these things in mind. You can do crazy things and hope to get townread anyway, and often it will work, but normally your support dries up. Eventually you need some actual reasons behind your pushes. What's alignment indicative is things of what you do. You agree that your extra effort is something that you would do as either alignment. I'm trying to get town to see that they shouldn't town you for it. I also think you had to overcompensate for Onegu's scumminess. I don't think it is nearly as easy as "oh this post is alignment indicative." Or this one, it's too easy to fake. It's more about intentions of what they are doing. I don't want town to just pass you as town. I think that's a very dangerous mistake. Onegu wasn't scummy? And I'm not getting townread for effort, I'm getting townread for tone, read progression/explanation, and the fact that my mafia game is a disgrace to the site. Both of my non-town games, rsoultin caught me in a handful of posts.
So you've gone from "here's why Trfel is scum" to "don't townread Trfel for these reasons". Why? You're attacking me with defense, not offense. You have no actual attack.
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On April 17 2015 14:55 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 14:49 Trfel wrote:On April 17 2015 11:10 Tubesock wrote:
Has Trfel done anything town this Day 3?
His sole "scumhunting" is in direct response to me scumming him. Otherwise he's trying to lead town to talk about claims and lynch's and whatever but when it comes to actual investigative work he comes up with excuses. And that swap off me to Bourneq is a joke.
##Unvote
##Vote: Trfel Yeah, you definitely don't care who gets lynched. And me voting Bourneq is a joke. If you are actually town here, you need to take some more time between posts to make sure that what you're saying makes sense. Your posting is loaded with inconsistencies. You're either scum or not thinking things through fully before posting. It's a joke because you vote me, then are like, bah Bourneq instead. I don't think you will stay on him at all. So, I'm bussing Bourneq, but my vote on him is a joke and I won't stay on him?
And remind me, if I'm scum trying to secure a mislynch at MYLO, why would I bother bussing for town credit?
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