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On April 13 2015 03:12 Tubesock wrote: The vote was 6-2 until 12:55 favoring Plotspot. It had Prplhz and I on Stutters695. at 12:55 TheBloodyDwarf voted Stutters695. That post only had the vote in it. His previous post was at 9:50 talking about how he loves me. For the record I buy the :D vs  explanation. Buuuuuttttttt still no scumhunting....There were people around talking a couple hours prior to EoD. It was not a dead thread. Possible explanations: 1. lurking about waiting to see how the vote goes. Sees a counterwagon on Stutters and goes for it. Regardless of Stutters alignment I think Dwarf could make this vote. Now that it's 20 some hours after, I see the actual numbers and think that he probably knew what the vote count was and realized that Stutters is safe from being lynched. There were 4 minutes left, when he voted. Not much time to drop that many votes. Stutters can be town or mafia in this position. It doesn't matter. But TheBloodyDwarf sees a reason to move to him as there was a shenany. And of course I think this is a mindfuckTube game. 2. He could have legitimately realized he needed to vote and placed it. Why did he wait? Why not at 9:50 when he said his only scum read was Stutters695? Why'd he wait till 4 minutes left in the day? How aware are you guys of the deadline? I mean I will vote somewhat early if I am out and about and can potentially miss the deadline. I get it that if I KNOW I'll be around and don't have any real life things scheduled that placing that vote isn't so important. But I'll be in the thread. I would NEVER have 2 posts in 3 hours prior to deadline if I was there the entire time. Anyway, I'm going to dive Stutters deeper. I probably shouldn't scum him because he thinks 2 of my top towns are scum. mmm if that's true tube (i haven't double-checked yet) then yeah...last-minute votes on the counter-train would make sense from a bussing standpoint...though i'd argue that a town stutters makes that less likely just 'cause late voting draws attention, and it's not really any better than a wasted vote xP that said, i'm home! lol and yeah kinda tired honestly, so i'll stick around to talk until EoN then prob take a nap | ||
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On April 13 2015 03:27 Holyflare wrote: I've not read a single thing in this game. Someone tell me some key points. mmm we were lynching plot, who kinda claimed scum weirdly i guess and because stutters had come in late in the day and just voted him ppl tried to shennany onto him for that lol >< prob better to ask someone else. i wasn't here for any of it but yeah, plot flipped town other things of note: shining replaced in for ace i wasn't a fan of soren's recent posting but seeing as how he now has a replacement lol >< the fall-off may not be alignment-indicative xP | ||
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On April 13 2015 03:36 Tubesock wrote: I'm missing the bussing thing everyone is so focused on. I'm saying that Dwarf could safely bus Stutters in that situation, or switch to town stutters to gain not killing town cred, or fucking with my mind so I ended up voting with my top scumreads "scum" read. -sits on tube's tinfoil hat- there was something about bussing when everyone thought plot was scum? and then i think some players are talking about bussing not realizing what it is...i'm not really following completely, either honestly this speculation is cool and all but it's not gonna really get us anywhere since stutters' alignment isn't known. prob best to just stick to what makes people scummy xP that isn't reliant on stutters' alignment | ||
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On April 13 2015 03:57 Tubesock wrote: Ahhh that's why I'm missing it. People, you can't bus a town...mafia onto Plotspots is NOT bussing. That's called a miss lynch. Assuming you're talking to me about my speculation, my thoughts don't have anything related to what Stutters alignment is. It actually doesn't matter what his alignment is. It still makes me think Dwarf is even scummier than I did yesterday. What do you think about Stutters695? eh, tiny filter, like some of the analysis and the 4 scumreads test thing lol...i don't really think that the vote 15 hours after saying he'd look into plot after plot claimed scum is actually significant? like it could be opportunistic or just stutters' voting a scumread who claimed scum -shrugs- i dunnae i think there's more likely mafia than him, dwarf included. you still think dwarf is godfather trying to be cop-checked? | ||
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On April 13 2015 04:04 prplhz wrote: list of people i'm not lynching tomorrow because of things they said today: dwarf this going through newbies and lynching them for saying weird things is ... dumb. yea i said it. xP very unlikely we have a whole scumteam full of newbies, yeah but shining looks fine so far...he's the inactive type as scum so reading and commenting at all directly after replacing has him leaning town for me bourne i still think looks okay? his ideas are a touch strange to me lol >< but he seems to believe them what exactly did dwarf say that makes you so certain he's town, prp? | ||
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On April 13 2015 04:11 Tubesock wrote: I do think that stutters saw the scumclaim and was like, why bother wasting any more effort. I can't help it I do kinda think that Dwarf is Godfather. While instead of a huge likelyhood of it, now it's fairly a minor possibility. Prp and Bresh's points were solid. It's insanity. But I can't shake he's mafia. tbh i pretty much read that whole thing as joking around and someone used to relying on blues and nothing else for information lol >< his lack of reads up to this point is what bugs me most, not some of the weird things he's said. i think i've mentioned this before, but my starkingdoms buddies tend to be very...depressive...about day one's before any solid info is available, so i think that's pretty normal for newbies? when i started i know i thought day 1 was a complete crapshoot | ||
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On April 13 2015 04:04 prplhz wrote: list of people i'm not lynching tomorrow because of things they said today: dwarf this going through newbies and lynching them for saying weird things is ... dumb. yea i said it. ?? i thought this meant he said something during the night phase that was very townie to you? | ||
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On April 13 2015 04:16 prplhz wrote: hmm okay then. claiming scum and martyring is the same though. and stutters voted plot because plot claimed scum. even if claiming scum and martyring isn't the same then it's the same for the purpose of the argument i'm making (that voting some for martyring/claiming scum is bad play) lol i don't know that i follow this train of thought >< maybe it's just cause i'm bad as scum, but i've only martyred as scum - horn, told the vig to shoot me or koshi (scummate) - titanic, martyred with the double jk claims being mod-confirmed what makes voting for people claiming scum bad play? | ||
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On April 13 2015 04:18 prplhz wrote: uh no like, d1 and n1 ... did he even say something n1 though? doesn't matter. :/ still not clear so you're just saying you don't want to vote him for saying weird things? or there's a specific thing he said that makes you not want to vote him? | ||
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On April 13 2015 04:20 prplhz wrote: what i'm saying is that dwarf is looking townie so far and i'm not going to lynch him tomorrow unless something new happens that radically changes how i feel about him. which i consider highly unlikely. ah okay..i need to reread everyone but it's not happening before my nap -_- | ||
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...yeah, at least someone on the scum team must know hf. problem is, at least half the players here do i think so i'm not sure how that helps there's also the possibility that soren was the kill and scum team just wasn't around to change it? it's been a pretty sleepy day. i think prp and i were the only ones not strong townreading soren, so that kinda makes sense? | ||
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On April 13 2015 08:48 Breshke wrote: I am really interested what stutters means by the bolded.. lol i had a theory that i'm not sharing >< sounds like you may have the same one, bresh | ||
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On April 13 2015 08:58 Breshke wrote: Yeah i guess we wait and see what stutters says first? I was scum leaning on soren but it mustn't have been that strong because i had to actually go back and look at my own filter to remember why. Also Rso before when we were talking about people that could have been bussing stutters if he is actually mafia you listed HTS as one i believe? (if this is wrong ignore the rest of this) The reason was she was the least committed to it i actually disagree with that because being around at the time it really felt like HTS wanted me to consider stutters and change my vote which would have brought him dangerously close to being lynched. I don't really remember being swayed by any of the others. yeah? it was the impression i got while skimming...prp and tube seemed very convinced dwarf was town, but hts was late to the game? i don't know i could be misremembering. give me a sec | ||
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On April 12 2015 05:52 Half the Sky wrote: I agree with Rasputin that this post is awful. I'll point out what bothers me: 1 First paragraph - again sounds like dissausion, and funny that it comes after some of us forming reads based on his wording. 2 HATE that first sentence in second paragraph. 2nd I don't have any reads, as I think anyone is potentially suspicious and not at the same time. Like that's an excuse to not make reads. Of course there's more than one way of scumhunting so I move to his next paragraph to see if what he says DOES make sense.... Instead ask what other people think about you. From this thread I know that Half the Sky and Soren think I'm town. Many other people are unsure as to my aligment and a few people lean towards me as scum, but none are 100% sure I am scum. Using the word "instead" makes me think he's using this as a way to scumhunt, but where are the conclusions? 3 His followup on Soren. He will probably tell you now that he changed his opinion, due to progressed "interaction". Half the Sky provided some reasoning as to why she doesn't necessarily know that I'm town. But I'm not convinced. Based on the following post she thinks I think Onegu might be scum, although the reason I make this spontaneous post is because he was a disruptive element to the game by not paying attention, it doesn't matter what alignment he was. I disagree with this on many fronts. Reads SHOULD change if there's new evidence. Don't like it? Dispute it. And Onegu was disruptive only to you - to me, I knew better, and others probably just ignored it. I know Rasputin said she was uncomforable with him but IIRC that was on different evidence. I'm just smelling mafia agenda from this. And I don't know how it isn't. nah i think you need to take a look at her filter, bresh she does say she doesn't like stutters, but her huge case is on plot, and she only votes in the last 5 mins or so on stutters :/ i'm not even sure where the flip comes from, tbh On April 12 2015 05:55 Half the Sky wrote: prplhz for whatever reason isn't convinced. He had concerns on Stutters (which I sorta agree with, also along with Dwarf who said all he was doing was asking questions) and Soren (whom I still have to look into). Stutters seemed like a reasonable lynch, one page filter which hasn't done much or driven things forward. Ace/Shining is a policy lynch. There are two votes on Stutters. There are 5 minutes left. Who else is around? it's like she's okay with the lynch? but doesn't really pursue it. even when she brings stutters to your attention, bresh, it reads pretty non-commital to me On April 12 2015 05:56 Half the Sky wrote: Breshke - look at Stutters filter. I haven't switched yet. One page. Mostly asking questions. He's stopping short of conclusions. He also voted plotspot and prplhz thinks that plotspot is martyring. I don't like either of plotspot or Stutters to be honest. But I can only vote one. then the vote switch only comes two minutes before EoD. tbh i don't like this progression regardless of stutters' alignment. she doesn't do it soon enough to get him lynched, and regardless she doesn't seem to care which player gets lynched to begin with On April 12 2015 05:58 Half the Sky wrote: Stutters voted plotspot. Would someone bus someone this early in a newbie game? He's a veteran, but probably not. ##unvote ##vote stutters695 | ||
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On April 13 2015 09:04 prplhz wrote: how can you think tube is convinced dwarf is town -_- lol typing too fast of course i meant plot, prp xP | ||
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says she doesn't like both, wonders aloud if stutters is bussing, concludes he isn't cause he's a vet, then switches to him too late? lol >< | ||
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On April 13 2015 09:19 Breshke wrote: I feel like you ened to look at these two earlier posts aswell though because it explains why she made another case on plot. Also that first post is seemingly what kicked prplhz to actually vote for stutters which then also caused tube to to try save plot. I feel like that would be a really strange post going into near deadline with someone that most of the thread thought had basically claimed scum. I get what you mean about the switch too late thing but im willing to give some benefit of the doubt because there didn't seem to be many people around and the people that were did not seem interested in switching. okay, yeah, i see what you're saying given the context of the thread; her comments did spark the votes from prp and tube On April 12 2015 05:13 prplhz wrote: it's just like stutters has not exactly been noticable this game. then he comes in here, sees people are looking at plot, says "gonna look at plot and write something" and then he just votes him for claiming scum. seems exceedingly lazy and uninterested. no i don't think that looks natural, it looks like he's thinking "guess i'll vote for the current bandwagon for whatever reason i can find in his latest post". some people are all "he's martyring, lynch him!" but that's just bad play. dunno if it's how stutters play and i'm not going to check his database entry for any fervent anti-martyrism. prp seemed to be the one pushing the lynch, though, and as soon as hts agreed stutters looked bad for the vote, prp and tube vote and then she says oh wait but this is what i don't like about plot? i'm just not getting the feel from her filter that stutters was who she wanted to push, then boom, vote change actually just read page 45...maybe 44-45/46 maybe i'm reading too much into it or it's my lack of emotional intelligence again >< lol but i just don't see any enthusiasm for the stutters lynch there | ||
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prp decided to make a random comment on stutters...i'm assuming based on old games? and is ignoring the posts on hts entirely, and silence from bresh tell me why i'm out there, or why you guys don't seem to care? do you have an opinion, prp? | ||
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