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On April 15 2015 05:22 Half the Sky wrote:
I must be having a blonde moment. I swear I looked up and down Breshke's filter, so let me pull the darned Stutters quote in the meantime >_<
Breshke's scum games are where he defends a lot of people and doesn't have/produce scumreads until closer to EoD.
I know Stutters argued the meta can be changed but he seemed fine on this D1.
If you take that and apply it to his D2, his scum meta is fairly accurate. He defended you. He had trouble coming up with and pursuing his own scumreads so he picks on Stutters for bread crumbing, makes drive by comments on Bourne then settles on me. All low hanging fruit, imo.
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On April 15 2015 05:24 Breshke wrote:
Shining do you not see how absurd it.is you scum me for "casing stutters and voting you" When you basically case me and vote TBD. how do you think it is scummy when i do it but not when you do it.
Also i havnt talked about you because you have one page of filter and its boring.
Except when I entered, I wasn't a fan of Dwarf and scummed him. This is your first post mentioning me.
How is it scummy to vote my first scumread that still hasn't contributed anything while casing my second so people know where I'm at?
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On April 15 2015 05:32 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2015 08:48 Breshke wrote:On April 12 2015 11:28 Stutters695 wrote:On April 12 2015 10:57 rsoultin wrote:
nvm...caught up
meh, can see why ppl got cold feet
hope you keep feeling better oneg! <3 now...
-sits on onegu's head-
i find it hard to believe youve read my filter closely if you really think its mostly questions and metareads xP
stutters could be scum; knowing his alignment for sure would help explain the vote
or he could have just been at work? i think he said he was
anyway im here now if anyone wants to talk, but im driving back to sa tomorrow so prob wont be on for the rest of the night phase after tonight If I'm town, what do I gain from the vote like that? If I'm scum what do I gain? Assume I'm town for a second(you'll see why d2). Prpl tries to switch the wagon onto me. From a scum perspective: He mislynches me (I get harder to mislynch as the game goes on generally) and leaves him with 1/2 (depending on Dwarf's alignment) easy-ish mislynches at the cost of looking slightly worse for my mislynch. Do you think that would be a risk he'd take as scum from playing scum with him? I am really interested what stutters means by the bolded.. Show nested quote +On April 13 2015 14:25 Breshke wrote:
Also i kind of want to vote stutters until he explains why we would all understand he was town on D2 because there's no point pretending he didn't say that. Shining - is this what you mean by the breadcrumbing post? I went over Breshke's filter with a fine tooth comb. Most of his discussion on Stutters was him focusing on the EoD switch to Stutters.
Yes.
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On April 15 2015 05:43 Stutters695 wrote:
Or we can lynch prpl and 100% hit scum. Also, if you want to lynch me, that's bad.
100% is a pretty strong number.
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Lol 9 minutes left. If you want to shenanny onto me, town is going to feel stupid af.
Trfel, I replaced right before night phase. I'm sorry that my D1 play happened here on D2. I would say it bodes well that I'm here at EoD and not just afking like others are.
Also, catch up. I did mention replacing. Granted, after Stutters did, but let's be honest here. I get better as the game goes on. I replaced late and started playing late.
If you want to scum and lynch me for that, you're either scum or throwing for town.
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Breshke Trfel team? Trying to save BD?
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FFS. Welp when you have town like that, you pretty much make life easy for scum. Fuck man.
On April 15 2015 05:58 Half the Sky wrote:
Shining was a bit inactive as town in Newbie LX, and he had excuses for that too. What were his reads like in that game...
was that when you were godfather? I was bassically useless until D3 when I was almost mislynched. I came back and pinged two of the 3 scum but sheeped my townread instead of voting one and we lost in mylo.
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On April 15 2015 06:05 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2015 06:03 rsoultin wrote:
tch -_-
if i had a bullet ><
though lol why does breshke try to hammer scummate prp stutters that i don't follow Because Breshke is town, and prplhz is town? I'm fairly confident that The Shining is scum here. I expect that scum defended him pretty hard here. I don't want to go too far down that road though, it's unflipped associations. It just frustrates me to lynch a complete shot in the dark over someone being inconsistent and unimpressive, when I know that The Shining is capable of quite a lot.
If you know what I'm capable of, you'd know my game picks up as days progress. I don't do well with a large lynchpool, never have, and being shoved into this game 50 pages in became a lot more difficult than I expected.
I still don't like how hard you pushed me as the alternative lynch, along with Breshke. Knowing my alignment, it feels like one or both of you were just doing so to earn town cred, since town flips either way.
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Since I showed up today, made a case and replied when questioned?
See, I'm used to you tunneling, Trfel. When you think you've got scum, you pursue it passionately. But the last time I saw you tunnel this hard, it was after I offered you an alternate case that could've won us the game. Instead, your tunnel lost it for us.
I'm inclined to think you're just misguided town on me.
As for Breshke, that last minute switch was really odd. If you think both are town, why would you lynch the one that's contributed, as opposed to someone who offered us nothing to this point?
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On April 15 2015 08:43 jarjarbinks wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2015 05:57 Breshke wrote:
I will hammer prp to save dwarf. Prp has him as top town its what he would want. Also shining and rso pushing for him makes me feel even betetr about saving him omg I hate this logic. IT MAKES NO SENSE!! I didn't even finish reading and hate this. The thing is it is the 2nd time I saw this and freaking GB was town when he did it. It makes absolutely no logical sense. If prp IS ACTUALLY TOWN, he KNOWS IT. 100%! His top townread? honestly I doubt is higher than 90%. It's probably in all reality 70% and likely to change as the game changes. No one in their right mind would want this. Someone please explain to me how this makes sense if i'm crazy. ugh is this even alignment indicative though? Probably not which is even sadder. Come on guys.
Lol this, amongst other things I've brought up regarding Bresh, are why I think he's scum.
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On April 15 2015 09:06 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2015 06:20 Trfel wrote:
The Shining, by when can I expect you to have started playing the game with your full capabilities?
Answered this already. Your hard on for me this game is quite funny, tbh.
You can spin it any way you want but you do realize you voted with me, right? Regardless of shenanigans and what's going on at EoD, if you really think I'm scum, why did you vote with me to hammer the mislynch?
Voting with your top scum read doesn't look good to me, even if to save your town read. Not to mention, although I am used to !townTrfel tunneling, it's a bit disconcerting that you're not putting in any effort now to hunt anyone but me.
There are 3 scum left and I'm not one of them. Do you care about finding them? Any of them?
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Jar Jar, this is the post where I mention not liking his switch. I assumed after scumming Breshke and being willing to lynch him, it would be understood that me seeing his switch as "odd" would also mean "scummy."
On April 15 2015 06:31 The Shining wrote:
Since I showed up today, made a case and replied when questioned?
See, I'm used to you tunneling, Trfel. When you think you've got scum, you pursue it passionately. But the last time I saw you tunnel this hard, it was after I offered you an alternate case that could've won us the game. Instead, your tunnel lost it for us.
I'm inclined to think you're just misguided town on me.
As for Breshke, that last minute switch was really odd. If you think both are town, why would you lynch the one that's contributed, as opposed to someone who offered us nothing to this point?
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On April 15 2015 09:28 jarjarbinks wrote:
HTS do you think breshke and prp could be on the same team?
I don't.
I need to see what reads breshke came up with before he got bombarded by Rso and others. I thought the "claim if your RB'd" thing was insightful due to the fact I never heard it before.
Prp: you were mostly out EOD, what did you make of it?
Am I missing something? Why is a prpl-Bresh team unlikely? It's not the team I suspected but it doesn't seem impossible, either, especially if Bresh thought one of us would move onto Prpl and attempted to bus.
Breshke was here before EoD. He gave us 3 townreads(Tube, HTS, JJB iirc) and scummed me. So I'm curious too as to whether he had any other scumreads.
& where he stands on prpl, since he was willing to hammer him to save Dwarf.
Also, you gave me something to think about with Prpl white knighting for Dwarf. It makes sense that a scum prpl would single out and defend what now looks like one of the easiest mislynches available. If or when he flipped green, prpl could buy town cred with that defense.
Or he could really have been trying to save a townread. Meh I actually did think about it. Feels like wifom at best. I've got to revisit the HTS case on prpl before I can decide on him.
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On April 15 2015 09:34 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2015 09:30 Half the Sky wrote:
Shining, looking at the voting order, Trfel was townreading prplhz and his choices were hammering a townread in prplhz (vote would have been 4-5 with prp being lynched), hammering a nullread in Dwarf, or keeping his vote where it was.
By hammering a nullread, he effectively saved someone he was townreading, prplhz. The vote was tied at 4-4, though Dwarf was first to 4 votes per the counter, anyone could have hammered prplhz. EBWOP - I think this is town agenda from Trfel.
I understood that when I saw his reasoning. And it does look good on the surface. I just don't like him saving his vote until he was forced to hammer and then hammering Dwarf while voting with his top(see:only) scum read.
If I'm in that position, as town, I have to believe my top scumread isn't voting scum. He's voting a mislynch. So he voted for what should look like a sure mislynch to him if he thinks I'm scum instead of still trying to lynch me. Or prpl, the guy that afkd EoD and showed up shortly after.
I just can't shake the feeling that there's something wrong about voting with your top scumread, even in this circumstance.
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I want to take a look at votes. When two wagons are this close, and there are active players moving to defend one or both lynches, it makes me think one of those wagons was scum. In a town v town scenario, I feel there would be less resistance as scum would be getting one step closer to their wincon regardless of who is lynched. Instead, the wagons were close right up until EoD.
Final vote count:
TheBloodyDwarf (5): Bourneq, The Shining, Tubesock, rsoultin, Trfel
Breshke (0): rsoultin
The Shining (1): Breshke, rsoultin, Trfel, TheBloodyDwarf
Bourneq (1): prplhz
Half the Sky (0): prplhz, rsoultin, Tubesock
prplhz (4): Stutters695, jarjarbinks, Half the Sky, Breshke
Stutters695 (0): Breshke
Off of votes alone, prpl looks the worst. He is the lone wasted vote and afk at Eod.
Bourne has been consistent in scumming/wanting to lynch Dwarf and him not providing anything for town to work with. He was also the first vote on Dwarf. I can't see scum Bourne being this dead set, specially as a newbie, on going after the same ML d1 & d2.
Next is me. Objectively, my vote comes in right when I come back to thread. Being on my way to work, I was afraid I'd miss EoD but that wasn't the case. And I read Dwarf time and again. From my entrance to now, I could not see the town in him. I've alrdy addressed JJB's thoughts on Prpl being the one defending Dwarf when everyone else had him null at best.
This leaves Tube, RSo, Trfel. I'm still not convinced Trfel is scum, as his play does not fit what I know of his scum meta. Aside from him voting with his top scumread, I can't see scum motivation in any of his posts. I do see a lot of analysis and critical thinking, in spite of the fact most of it is directed towards me.
I had to step back and look objectively at RSo. I might be blinded by the fact that her voting Dwarf essentially saved me. However, knowing my alignment and now Dwarf's, I can't think of the scum motivation for her switching off.
Breshke came back to tell me his placeholder vote on me was now a real vote after I cased him. OMGUS? No, because he then last minute shenannies onto Prpl in an attempt to hammer him at 4 votes, even though BD hit 4 first. The for his shenanny vote just feels so off. Both jjb and I have addressed it.
Stutters and HTS have both been vocal about their scum read on Prpl. The timing and reasoning of those votes seem pretty sound to me.
I'm still phone posting so after this post, I'll be diving Prpl, Tube and JJB. I can't remember if JJB had any build up to voting Prpl, Tube is the only vote I can't explain on Dwarf(i think I remember him wanting to lynch Dwarf early, just need to verify), and Prpl is the lone wasted vote on Bourne, afkd EoD and isn't defending himself. & Breshke, I still think may be scum, although I'm not as familiar with his meta to be figuring out if he's a risk/reward kind of player or not.
Joking about a fake cop claim isn't cool, either, Prpl. =/
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On April 15 2015 10:15 rsoultin wrote:
tbh i've cooled down a little -_- but i was pissed off that he was like fuck you anything you want i don't lol >< right after i said he'd had no time to defend himself so i wasn't going to push his lynch...no i may not have been able to get the votes, but i could have damn well tried and probably gotten close at least >< whatever
his play makes sense as town from the assumption that shining and i are scum -shrugs-
if anything i'm confused about the apparent strength of his scumread on shining that it provoked that reaction, because when he left the thread he made it sound like it was policy and nothing more
I'm curious about the bolded myself. Breshke, your last post really makes me think you could have believed all of this and went for that move if in fact you did believe RSo and I were scum together. It makes a lot of sense.
But when did you go from policy voting me to fully scumming me? The only case I saw on me was Trfel. You came back after I cased you and all of a sudden I'm scum for showing up and analyzing. I thought you voted me for not doing these things? So doing these things make me scummier? I don't get it.
Unless you were just sheeping Trfel. Is that what you were doing? Because again, you're scumming someone who you haven't even interacted with or spoken about at all before doing so.
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On April 15 2015 10:40 prplhz wrote:
i am not joking lol why do people keep saying i am joking when i am not joking
What do you gain by fake claiming cop as town? It just makes no sense to me whatsoever. Treat me like a newbie, since I am. What strategic advantage would this give town?
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On April 15 2015 10:56 prplhz wrote:
like how would you treat someone who claimed cop in a closed setup?
But it isn't, so I'm more curious as to what the purpose of these posts are. I'm listening to you now. Talk to me.
Instead of griping about how no one listened to you and about setup, recoup and regroup. Show me you're town if you are because right now, after looking at votes and EoD, I'm not seeing it. And not by saying you're town. Or wishing you could fake claim cop.
What did you think about EoD? Did you learn anything from votes?
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Eh. Very reminiscent of yamato in my last Student game. Angry, sarcastic player that flipped town.
It was wasted because you afkd it and ended up being the only vote on Bourne. And yes, to me, afking a vote before EoD is scummy. It shows you don't care who dies.
The fact that I think afking EoD after voting is scummy is also included in why I scummed Bresh and why I'm revisiting JJB.
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