On March 27 2015 06:45 Damdred wrote:
I generally don't berate people in mafia. But this is sshit super you were lynched in the last game because mafia wouldn't switch off of you and other people were ark. You looked towny to a point there.

Here you are just being antagonistic and trying to Marty that's not a towny way to not be lynched

Dude I've had a limited amount of time to play this game and I've had to spent most of it defending myself for what I deem to be obnoxious shit. Like I make all of my reads based on information stored inside my head, and at some point I confused you with rayn, and literally got scumread and had to defend myself for hours or whatever. The only people who have ever sided with me this game are vivax and breshke. Breshke correctly called out that my filter wasn't as bad as people were calling it out to be and that it was actually pretty good.

Like I might be getting pocketed hard by mafia breshke here, but how the hell is everyone reaching the conclusion that I'm scum? The primary fucking case is that I read both SL (town) and LS (scum) as scum during the EoD, but was unwilling to place my vote. I'm sorry but what? I've explained already that I was unsure of my reads at that point, and that my primary objective was to keep both vigis alive to see if we can some resolution during the night, as I had reached the same conclusion as HF. Now why the hell am I being read scum for this? I don't fucking know. I have already explained my reasoning behind this and I'm just fucking done. It's like I'm arguing with a wall or something. There seems to be no movement whatsoever. Why the hell don't I try to make a push on SL or something if I'm scum there?

Like what else is there? My argument on Artanis from today? When I went to sleep after that I felt so good about it. I was sure I found the big sleeper mafia. What happens next? Like 2-3 people talk about it saying they kind of like my case but want to see how it plays out. What does eden do? Instantly defends Art. Like "oh I can see that coming from a town perspective, lol". Wow, way to fucking go asshole. Like I'm fucking demoralized and I lurk for a few min before getting back in bed to try and get healthy. I don't participate yesterday. I wake up today and a case from Art gets thrown on me. Given the time that I have, I have 0 interest in fighting this case. First of all, I know my alignment, and I know that the case, whatever it contains, is wrong by definition. I'm interested in finding shit on art, so I skim the case for contradictions with his earlier reads. I don't really find any, so I decide to give him a shot and check out his filter. I don't even fucking know why, but for some reason I set out with the goal to find shit that makes him town, and I feel like I kind of found it? So I call him maybe-town. Honestly, I don't even know why. I don't even trust the town meta-read that I made on him, I just felt like my case had already crashed and burned and that there was no way I was going to get the lynch through.

Superbia

Netherlands8889 Posts

March 26 2015 22:00 GMT

#7300

Also I was lynched last game in a very similar scenario. I was calling top town Ritoky scum for obviously bussing (I thought it wasn't bussing d1) slam on d1. In the end I made a big post in which I switched on Ritoky (who went and won the game). I was essentially scum-read for voting wrong d1. Now I'm being scum-read for reading LS scum but not voting or making a case on him. Like fuck it, I'm not making the same mistake I did with Ritoky, Artanis is scum.

Superbia

Netherlands8889 Posts

March 26 2015 22:01 GMT

#7305

My gut says he's scum so he's scum. I'm probably never going to be able to make a better case than I did. I'm not a case person to begin with.

Superbia

Netherlands8889 Posts

March 26 2015 22:02 GMT

#7307

FF why'd you switch so easily on me son.

Superbia

Netherlands8889 Posts

March 26 2015 22:02 GMT

#7309

You liked my case on Art, then Art makes a case on me and now I'm scum?

Superbia

Netherlands8889 Posts

March 26 2015 22:03 GMT

#7311

On March 27 2015 07:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
No, we stay the course because nothing Superbia says actually makes him town.

Tomorrow you don't even talk. You just go here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/480848-tl-mafia-lxx-guardians-voting-thread

and you type "##vote: Artanis".

Superbia

Netherlands8889 Posts

March 26 2015 22:04 GMT

#7313

Ya well, it's in your best interest to bus in order to look good.

Superbia

Netherlands8889 Posts

March 26 2015 22:05 GMT

#7315

LS was cop checked.

Superbia

Netherlands8889 Posts

March 26 2015 22:06 GMT

#7317

Like, I'm voting to save myself, but I would prefer it if we killed Rayn/Ritoky over Onegu.

Superbia

Netherlands8889 Posts

March 26 2015 22:07 GMT

#7320

On March 27 2015 07:06 Damdred wrote:

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This isn't correct

Orb checked, whatever.

Superbia

Netherlands8889 Posts

March 26 2015 22:08 GMT

#7322

Art you might wanna tune down the bury because you're going to look real bad.

Superbia

Netherlands8889 Posts

March 26 2015 22:15 GMT

#7338

Like I'm all about being called town, but I'm not repeating this procedure tomorrow. If you guys are not voting me here you are not going to default to mafia reading me tomorrow.

Superbia

Netherlands8889 Posts

March 26 2015 22:16 GMT

#7340

On March 27 2015 07:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Fantasy his scumteam died around him and he conceded before it got to a vote.
2p2 he never accumulated votes other than from Haru.

Basically the only time he's been in a similar situation is Imperial where we collectively gave up on him anyway.

Check the game where I carried as scum. Campus 1 or 2 or whatever.

Superbia

Netherlands8889 Posts

March 26 2015 22:18 GMT

#7344

Where is slam?

Superbia

Netherlands8889 Posts

March 26 2015 22:24 GMT

#7354

Why not rayn/ritoky?

Superbia

Netherlands8889 Posts

March 26 2015 22:27 GMT

#7365

I don't even know what FF is doing tbh.

Superbia

Netherlands8889 Posts

March 26 2015 22:29 GMT

#7367

On March 27 2015 07:26 Trfel wrote:

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This could work for me, at least.

Ritoky has looked really towny, though I wouldn't expect otherwise, regardless of his alignment. But last time this happened to me (scummy player into towny replacement) I didn't pay attention to the replacement's play, and I paid for it.

Dude you can't keep saying this. It's making me want to flip on you every time. This isn't the first time you've called someone town and also that you want to lynch them.