EPTXXX Mini Mafia: A Night of Debauchery (18+) - Page 41
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 ) I'll respond to koshi's points. | ||
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I don't believe I have the luxury of looking into tinfoil hat theories. It is unlikely, but of course possible, that there's mafia in marvellosity or prplhz, but for the sake of this game I am going to ignore that possibility. I understand this might be throwing the game, but I simply think convincing the thread of that is actually an insurmountable task. Hell, even deciding which tinfoil hat theory I'd go with would be extremely difficult. I've been on and off about both of them all game. I don't have the time or the resources to chase an alternative lynch, and I don't think it's possible. So for the sake of today, I will simply be assuming rayn is mafia. I probably won't be building this case from a position of any strength because I already know what it will conclude, which is usually a terrible starting point. The best I can do really is to attempt to see if there is any inconsistencies or problems I may have missed in rayn's filter and try to convince you guys using that. I don't believe whatever I will come up with will be the best reason to lynch rayn over me. I am almost certain that the best reason is and always will be my own filter. There are so many things in there that simply are far outside my ability as mafia. Read and understand my town case please. | ||
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On March 21 2015 23:55 Koshi wrote: Because these reads are closer to the reads over rayn in time. The ones I used had 24h between them. But still.... These reads should have been enough to knock out both Eden and rayn on their dumb tunnel yesterday. But I cannot blame rayn like I said, because he was right the entire game and it is hard to get out a tunnel then. It isn't hard being "right the entire game" when you already have all the information you need. Being wrong is not a scumtell. On March 21 2015 23:55 Koshi wrote: rayn is town guys. He is town for how he played the game. He simply is not mafia. I will say it once, he could be mafia. BUT I also could be mafia. Like... prplhz could be another godfather. Yes, in rayn his case it is a bit more plausible. But he is NOT MAFIA. rayn was not killed N1 because both marv and Palmar tested the waters on his claim and mafia didn't want to gamble and thought it was a possibility that rayn was not a medic and would get protection. Blue claims like that solve itself after a night and why shoot rayn and risk a extra ml for town. If rayn is Veteran he also would have cc. Fine, the nk stuff is speculation and I could counter-speculate. On March 21 2015 23:55 Koshi wrote: rsoultin kill was because of her reads. Come on guys.... We are veterans. Why are we on D4 not lynching the guy who gets incriminated heavily by the nk on N1? Not only because he is a scumread, but because all others are townreads... I don't understand. Eden and rayn read each other town during D1, rsoultin reads them town. It are all good reads. If you read the reasoning it is legit. If you read the filters you see it is all legit. Just kill Palmar. I can't understand that when everything breaths Palmar is mafia, we entertain the idea rayn or Eden are scum... I just can't understand. I don't think rsoultin was scumreading me? I think she openly admitted to having no clue about me. Also I while this is all wifom, I want to point out that I have, in the past, shown myself willing to shoot town-marv over just about anything. I do not tempt fate with him in the game. I'll try to find the QT: Palmar 12-02-2014 08:29 AM ET (US) Marv is the greater threat. When shenanigans go down he will figure out what is correct. Marv is essentially confirmed anyway, he is not a viable mislynch as he WILL NOT get mislynched over either of us. You correctly identified that we're in trouble if we run out of mislynches, but the difference is I basically consider marv not a possible mislynch. That is why I want to kill him and HF. To me, they are two guaranteed not mislynches, or at least close to guaranteed. Sn0, Obi, Superbia, Sent are all possible mislynches. While somewhat specific, this is still essentially how I treat marv as town when I'm mafia. I will shoot him, I always will shoot him, because he is never going to get mislynched (this has happened how often?) and he is highly likely to figure out the game. It is strictly bad play to not shoot marv. Night 1 this game was a prime opportunity for some sweet marv-whacking. On March 21 2015 23:55 Koshi wrote: About Palmar... He is mafia for many reasons inside his filter as well. Do not read what is in his towncase, read what is not in it. I am sure that if Eden and rayn would have read their own filters from D1 yesterday that they would not have lynched each other. Simply because there are convictions in there and reads in there that are good, that would help them. Palmar does not have that. He has a smart comment on his mafia buddies sometimes and is more than happy enough to put them into the towncase, but that is it. He has nothing that clears rayn or Eden. Or him in conjunction with them. Well yeah, the point of a towncase is to point out how my posts and interactions with other players, often the mafia, reduces the chance that I am mafia myself. I'm not sure what the last two sentences mean though. On March 21 2015 23:55 Koshi wrote: Palmar his towncase is about his mafia buddies and how he says smart things about them and waffling about marv. But what is MISSING? It is missing a direction towards the mafia who is left. It has nothing in it. Because there is nothing. Palmar has not tried to find the remaining mafia since Onegu got lynched. At the start of D4 he said it could be rayn, but he never gave reasons, and there are no reasons somewhere in his filter. He never gave reasoning (except low sex rating) and he moved away from rayn mafia and reasoning into his towncase on himself... Just because marv and Eden were going to do his work for him. Palmar also has nothing in his filter that would have helped him yesterday find mafia between rayn and Eden. I am sure again, that if Eden would have read their own filter he wouldn't have gone to fairyland yesterday and started rambling about framers and shit. He would not have. This is a gigantic misunderstanding (and frankly bad play) from koshi. First of all I set the rules of engagement quite clearly. On March 19 2015 07:47 Palmar wrote: To be sure, regarding the rules of engagement for today. I am probably going to spend very little time figuring out which one of rayn and eden is mafia. There are three confirmed townies who do NOT have to worry all day about defending themselves that should have plenty of time to do that. I will be focusing mostly on simply defending myself. This is more philosophical, but I want to point it out so I can use it in future games and the postgame. The situation we were in had 5 townies and 1 mafia alive. Each townie yesterday had 48 hours to play the game. The way koshi wanted to approach the problem was as follows: marv does nothing rayn does nothing koshi does nothing prplhz does nothing palmar convinces town to lynch eden eden convinces town to lynch palmar. This is of course a colossal waste of time. Just not getting lynched took all my time and effort yesterday. It is literally impossible for me to do everything. If Koshi was right (he wasn't) and one of Eden and I are the mafia, he's literally expecting 20% of town to do 100% of the work. Isn't it a much better to delegate responsibilities? Marv, koshi and prplhz don't have to be worried about being lynched. They have all the time in the world to break down the game. On the other hand the suspects should, in my opinion, focus their efforts on defending themselves. this way, we spread the workload among the entire town, resulting in a net increase of work done to solve the game. It's simple math... Anwyay Even if you don't agree with me philosophically how this situation should be resolved, I have set the precedent numerous times that this is exactly how I will respond when put under pressure. I have trouble scumhunting when I'm being lynched (except when I see scum try to lynch me for unreasonable stuff). I always focus on survival because I believe in living to fight another day. I regret lynching Eden. And of course the fact I said I was waffling on him after his summary post can at current be interpreted as wifom, but it was really the truth. From my point of view, however, there is no chance in success if I die, there is a chance if Eden does. On March 19 2015 07:47 Palmar wrote: Eden had so many townie things in his filter, clearing him from shooting rsoultin. Because the townread on each other and the happy faces etc etc. He wouldn't have done it. Oh well. His mistake. rayn wouldn't have shot rsoultin. It is not because rayn was not killed it means rayn killed rsoultin. There was no reason for rayn to kill rsoultin. I was scumreading rsoultin, rsoultin was scumreading the wrong people if rayn is mafia, it doesn't make sense for scumrayn to kill rsoultin and then put pressure on Onegu D2. This all doesn't make sense. Saving Onegu would be the only thing why rayn killed rsoultin. PALMAR on the other hand... I have explained this enough.... He could have thought that rayn was not medic. He tried to get a blueclaim out of it. Let's entertain the idea Palmar thought x was the medic or had a chance to, he doesn't kill rayn, Palmar claims vigi, and x might reveal he is the medic. I am not saying that was the plan to go, but it wouldn't have hurt mafia!Palmar. And he weaseled his way out of his vigi claim. The blueclaim thing I can sort of get. I didn't think about it at the time that it's probably a pretty great play for mafia too. | ||
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Koshi such a dick not greenchecking me. | ||
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the LS townread at the start of the game. JAT's lack of casual interaction (I guess I didn't really make this one all too much, but it's the reason I thought he was mafia) Calling Eden town for how he treated JAT (if it's between me and JAT lynch him thingee, I can dig up the passage). Onegu soul read I'm not saying I have been super awesome useful but I have been around, made good points, bad points. Hell, the fact I backed off you day 3 when you got mad at me was a super townie thing to do. I can't remember exactly but I feel like I was actually made to answer why I did that a few times (and I always stuck with that I had believed you genuinely got angry at me). Also glass houses. | ||
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So trust your heart and your penis over your brain. | ||
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