EPTOn March 21 2015 01:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
That is not right Palmar. That is just not fucking right.
That is not right Palmar. That is just not fucking right.
Why is it not right?
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On March 21 2015 01:21 Koshi wrote: No not w.e if rayn is town here. You did fuck all. If we followed your lead we would have lynched town rayn on D1 who gave us these 2 lynches. And you can't take any fucking credit on the Onegu lynch. You didn't even put 1 reason in the thread why Onegu was mafia in that 65 page filter of yours. Or maybe one. rofl. And now you want to lynch that person over the most obvious mafia Palmar, or mafia Eden who played well but actually hasn"t made much sense in 85% of his posts. But I don't know if he is mafia for it. But clearly you don't know either. And between all that you live in a world in which you think you are actually more valuable this game than let's say Koshi or rayn. What a joke you are. Time to retire. or go on a long break. If marv prevents you from throwing the game by lynching me he is totally more valuable than you. | ||
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It's also by far not my most successful one. | ||
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Also I like how both the other guys think I'm real town now. That's good! | ||
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maybe you're wrong? | ||
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On March 21 2015 01:56 Koshi wrote: Nha I made this game easy. Scumlynch d1. Harddefended Damdred. Defended town hero rayn. Let baddies lynch redcheck d2. Which always wouls have happened. Defended scum Onegu d3. Pushed town prplhz. Oops. Shrug. gave town 2 greenchecks d4 even due to masterful veteran fakeclaim on d2 while being doc target n1 due to lynch on mafia + "known" doc. Other people in this game though...... so you had a good day 1 reasonable/auto day 2 terrible day 3 terrible day 4 Okay, I can get on board with that! | ||
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On March 21 2015 02:01 Koshi wrote: Palmar wake me up when you stop pushing the idea in the thread you are town. "Bad d4" hahaha funny man. Can we have some sort of a fun postgame activity based on you being wrong today? Like "Koshi streams himself eating his pants"? | ||
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NEVER AGAIN. NEVER AGAIN. | ||
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On March 21 2015 02:22 marvellosity wrote: that I could see you and Onegu together. *shrug* i know you can point me to all the town shit, so can all of you :x At least I've compiled mine into an intriguing and thought provoking story | ||
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The case of much grandiose. Palmar is town Written by: Pálmar Presented by Pálmar Chapter 3: The Doomsday Device As day 3 started I knew I had to do something. The night had been a pretty slow one for me being on a weekend and people seemed very much okay with the idea of lynching me. I know the feeling all too well. I went with a two-pronged approach, because in addition to avoiding a lynch, I really wanted to lynch mafia this day. I started off pointing out why I am town and questioning people about their scumreads on me. On March 16 2015 07:13 Palmar wrote: Since like... forever. While somewhat outdated because I'm aware of it, one of my massive towntells is that I get confused, hedge my bets and in general am very uncertain and tentative when I'm town, the exception is when I set my mind to something "I'm going to get this lynch." As mafia I used to overplay my hand in terms of confidence quite a bit. At this point rayn kind of randomly called me not mafia, which I liked. I got into a huge discussion with marv, who was apparently frustrated that I wasn't townreading him. On March 16 2015 07:20 Palmar wrote: Well, think about it. If I somehow got shot, however unlikely, I wanted people to take a hard look at you. If I survive, I get to stay in the game to actually make an informed decision. It's completely logical to do exactly what I did. Why not? That is how it almost always goes between us. In fact just yesterday you said I was townie for the way I treated you. I am allowed to call you mafia, and this treatment you're giving me makes you more likely to be one. I am allowed to do exactly what I'm doing because it's exactly what I do when I'm town. You know this marv. How are you going to react? I don't think I wanna. I know I have a massive sweet spot for people who are reasonable when it comes to my alignment (think Damdred in Imperial), but I still can't make myself double think the fact that he has correctly determined my alignment. And I tried just straight up explaining to him why I was having my doubts about him. On March 16 2015 07:34 Palmar wrote: Because of that blink song. There are multiple small weird things about you. I'll name the ones I have off the top of my head. 1) The rsoultin kill incriminates you (I know this is bad and terrible but stay with me). If we think about the possible kills during that night the only other viable one would be rayn. Koshi is probably getting medic protected, I am trolling and being shit, Eden was shit day 1 etc etc. You are the sensible night 1 kill. If I am mafia I shoot you every time there. 2) You said that you would not have lead the JAT wagon lead for so long without doing something about it or jumping on it to gain credit. Maybe my assumptions are off, but I really disagreed with you on that. I just didn't have the energy to argue with you at the time and I was not sure (I'm still not). I would expect you to do EXACTLY this, basically don't rock the boat too much and see if JAT could turn it around, then hop on if he was dying anyway. 3) You have not been assertive or made any hard reads this game except on two people, one of them is ritoky which was quite wrong, and the other is prplhz. Hard reading koshi and LS town doesn't really count because well, it's easy as fuck, hell the LS read was MY read. 4) talking about the hard reads, you were wrong on ritoky. I know you are occasionally wrong but you seem rather unfazed by it. I also have a hard time believing you'd be wrong on ritoky, then turn around and be wrong on me next, after not having lead town on day 1. This would be your third "shit" day in a row. 5) You did explain your prplhz read, I never double checked it. However I did notice that the substantial parts of the read that I actually believe, all came long after you had started townreading him. That being said, the parts I didn't really care about, the metrics, did in fact happen before you made your read for the most part so meh. Still... so many small things. Like Blink182  Which caused marv to go into a strange emotional defense mode that again made me waffle. On March 16 2015 08:11 Palmar wrote: I almost want to give marv the benefit of the doubt he wouldn't appeal this hard to emotion as scum. For some reason I can't really remember there was a wagon on rayn at this point, and for some reason I also can't remember I was opposed to it. On March 16 2015 09:21 Palmar wrote: I am not convinced rayn is mafia. But there is plenty of time to find out. Right before I went to sleep Onegu called me mafia and I responded to him: On March 16 2015 09:22 Palmar wrote: Why would you lynch me Onegu? On March 16 2015 09:22 Palmar wrote: Quick response please When I woke up in the morning I wasn't satisfied with his reasoning which was mostly just PoE so I voted him and carried on. On March 16 2015 18:45 Palmar wrote: ##unvote ##vote Onegu For wanting to lynch me without having a reason to do so. I then started diving filters while simultaneously keeping a conversation with marv and to some extent prplhz and koshi. In general just talking in the thread. Right at the start of prplhz's filter he defended JAT so I decided to put my vote on him while reading more On March 16 2015 19:37 Palmar wrote: Apparently I was overstating marv's townread on prplhz, so much that he felt like he needed to correct me in saying prplhz is guaranteed town. This caused me to start reading prplhz's filter which I'm not nearly done with but I saw these posts: It's not the fact he was wrong, it just feels out of place to defend someone this super early in the game. I think I also was one of the first to mention On March 16 2015 20:22 Palmar wrote: CENSORED We got into some stupid argument about the validity of prplhz's meta point, but the general feeling I got from both marv and koshi was that they didn't particularly want to pitch ideas back and forth and discuss them, something I believed I sorely needed at that time. On March 16 2015 21:01 Palmar wrote: Tell me why Onegu is mafia? On my "not lynch list" at the moment (this is a very fluid list) Palmar Koshi prplhz FF That leaves Eden rayn Marv Onegu This was at the time my state of the game, prplhz pulled himself out of the gutter because I genuinely believed he got mad at me for suggesting he was mafia. This list would (if I recall) change often and rapidly. more waffling on marv On March 16 2015 21:45 Palmar wrote: I still can't shake this weird feeling that marv is sort of fine with this game being a bit of a train wreck. Like I can't quite explain it and I'm not going to call him mafia for it, but it's just this weird feeling I have. Marv and I would go back to arguing for a long time like we do. The perceived stonewalling from the beginning of the phase added one more thing I wanted to kill him for. Remember my "state of the game" post from chapter 2? Where I strive to be okay with the simple solution. Well on day 3 I wasn't okay with it. Of course in hindsight it was terrible to abandon my instincts because they didn't demand a big enough play, but it was truly how I felt. On March 17 2015 01:31 Palmar wrote: Like just to make you feel uncomfortable about it, I really want to kill onegu too. The problem here is that I feel like that would be conceding to the "simple" solution, which I guess isn't a bad thing. It just feels wrong to do it. And even then, who is his partner? FF? Eden? Also it's worth noting that around this time Koshi started trying to call me mafia for being all over the place, while I think for the most part I had at least flimsy reasons for being all over the place. He completely ignored that I really didn't have to be doing what I was doing. This describes pretty much how I felt that day: On March 17 2015 07:01 Palmar wrote: Also, I don't want to kill onegu unless I'm sure, because I know if I don't hit mafia today, I'm 100% fucked because of massive lynch inertia. I, more than anyone else, need a mafia lynch today. Also here is my (quite clever) point about why onegu's soul read was inherently scummy: On March 17 2015 07:10 Palmar wrote: I don't really know Onegu that well. Generally he seems sort of too trolly to be mafia. On the other hand, the fact that he: 1. promised read on rayn 2. delivered read on rayn is actually really scummy, because he framed his play and then played exactly to fit that frame. Like it's not an organic read at all, it's manufactured. As the day went on Koshi and marv became more responsive and I was no longer a primary lynch candidate, which was a nice change. Just before I slept I summarized my thoughts and stuck my vote on Onegu. On March 17 2015 07:48 Palmar wrote: I need to do things and then sleep. I feel like today I've established that I don't want to lynch me/koshi/ff, marv is a wildcard, I want to lynch onegu and prplhz I'm somewhere in the middle, leaning towards not lynching. tomorrow I will read rayn and eden and come to some kind of a conclusion. I'll probably refresh before sleeping so I can answer whatever you might ask. On March 17 2015 07:52 Palmar wrote: oh and ##unvote ##vote Onegu I want to point out that the thread all but stopped while I slept, causing my first post after I woke up to be a sarcastic remark about that. On March 17 2015 17:33 Palmar wrote: Good talk while I slept guys And here is my gamestate, once again. On March 17 2015 18:39 Palmar wrote: To follow up on this, I went to sleep last night feeling fairly confident rayn is town. I am going to summarize what I'm talking about here later today (I've got two meetings etc coming up, so I can't right now). So until further notice, rayn is off the lynch table, and my table looks like this: Do not lynch: Koshi FF rayn Maaybe lynch (but probably not) prplhz Wildcard bitches! marv Lynch: Onegu I need to read Eden, he's the one I have done little to none work on. @Eden I didn't notice you answering my question regarding your comment about marv/jat interaction from back on day 1. At this point I ramped up arguing with marv. You see, the perceived slights from yesterday had festered as I slept and now I was mad at him so I really, really dug into him. On March 17 2015 23:27 Palmar wrote: Like the way he treats himself in comparison to JAT feels very much not mafia because it's not really a bus, more of a self-defense, when with perfect information he would probably be tempted to actually bus here. I did give eden a townread here for this one post. Notice that for the most part Eden has been the player in the game that I have ignored, which often means mafia, but this post was actually quite good. I don't think I ever really explained it, but exactly why koshi thinks rayn is town this day is something I had discovered back on day 3, which caused me to put rayn in my not lynch lists throughout most of that day after voting him near the beginning of the phase. As the phase closed in on us Marv slowly became more open to lynching prplhz which caused me to scale back my townread on him. Koshi was actively calling for his lynch but I wasn't quite convinced yet. And I just really wanted to lynch marv. On March 18 2015 06:12 Palmar wrote: This one? Like I keep trying to reconcile your thing you did when I was trying to get discussion going with you with you being town. It doesn't fit. If you think I'm town, you know that I can be a half-decent scumhunter when I put my mind to it and you know I can help you. In addition you don't seem very confident in your read of the state of the game so in theory you do need help. So even if I'm a flawed town player, I'm not terrible. There is literally no reason for you as town to instead of repeatedly going "I can't take anything you say seriously" to just extend a hand and see what is out there. On the other hand, if you think I'm mafia, there is obviously no point in talking to me, but why didn't you say so then? That would've been much easier. Eden thing: On March 18 2015 06:41 Palmar wrote: Why is Eden checking out of this shitshow! I thought this would be right up his alley Of all the townies, my townread on Eden was the weakest one and I just had this eeire feeling that he was never around when it kinda mattered. ... And then. On March 18 2015 06:44 marvellosity wrote: Palmar is town. Eden is mafia. Suddenly everything turned upside down. Marv finally gave me that townread I really wanted from him. I moved my vote to eden when the train on him started and I was completely serious about it at the time. I agreed he came awkwardly into the thread, marv gave me a townread and we had a good thing going. Also, the hedging was real On March 18 2015 06:56 Palmar wrote: This has like a 1% chance of actually working. But at least it's quality TV. But the Eden thing disintegrated and at the last minute I switched back to marv. On March 18 2015 06:59 Palmar wrote: ##unvote ##vote marv Notice the timing. I didn't even have the slightest illusion that marv was actually going to get lynched. If I'm mafia here with Onegu I just park my vote on him because well... I'd been calling him mafia all day so why not? I still decided we needed to lynch marv tomorrow so I said so before sleeping. On March 18 2015 07:06 Palmar wrote: we're having ourselves marv-pie tomorrow. I trolled around a bit in the night and also got a bit mad that Eden made an entire case on me based on something all the mafia said. On March 18 2015 17:40 Palmar wrote: You say that as you make a case on me who is confirmed town. And something remarkable happened during the night. I actually WAFFLED on marv, would you believe that? On March 19 2015 00:59 Palmar wrote: I'm so sad that marv loves rayn more than me that now I'm like questioning the marv-pie because this is the most genuine he's been all game trying to figure shit out. also I'm a bit sad that I literally said onegu was mafia but voted with my heart instead of with my brain. I tried to take the day off, but I really didn't do that much. It seemed during the night that prplhz was going to end up the lynch. Shoutout to rayn for 29 pages into the game, 15-ish of which I had produced in the last 72 hours was still calling me lazy. Over the night Eden again managed to win my trust. On March 19 2015 05:41 Palmar wrote: Like I feel like I'm going to get somewhat vindicated unless Eden (or rayn, I guess, but I'm sorta ignoring that option) is mafia. If it's Eden I've been pushing townies left and right and now I'm talking myself into townreading scum again. If it's rayn Koshi and Eden are somewhat vindicated (and marv from day 1 I suppose). If it's FF we lose and everyone is shit. If it's Koshi we lose and everyone is shit. If it's marv I'm super vindicated and town hero if it's prplhz at least my primary reason for starting to suspect marv was legit as fuck. Then day broke... Stay tuned for chapter 4: Redemption (working title, we're also thinking of armageddon, depending on a few factors). | ||
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On March 21 2015 05:46 Eden1892 wrote: ##UNVOTE ##VOTE: prplhz I love it. Please flip mafia bro. Please. I don't know if I can do this anymore. | ||
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