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 And yes, throughout the entire game I've been waffling on you because you've been somewhat different in your interactions with me. I mean it's easy to accept all those things now that you have a green check on you, but it's just one weird thing after another that I really, really didn't fit. Like I've at various times gone "fuck it marv is town" and right back to scumreading you, bouncing around all day. And I genuinely believe that it is very dangerous for me to give you a townread which is why I don't do it unless I'm reasonably sure. Like I don't allow myself to think you're town because I know no one else is going to call you mafia. But this may be skewed. Still, imperial hurt. | ||
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But I feel like, even if to date you haven't done it, all of the things you list are quite easily replicated. Or well, not easily, but at least potentially within some super tryhard marv mafia range. And you did stonewall me a bit there, which you did this game too (in hindsight probably differently and for different reasons, but still...) I am fine with not having a perfect read on you. It's been years since I gave up the jig "I have to be the best mafia player possible". Because that is very time-consuming and in the end just not very fun for me. I do always try to be productive for my team though, at least to some extent, while still allowing myself to entertain the other fun aspects of mafia, social interaction and theatrics etc. I had a run where I lynched or tried to lynch mafia on day 1 like 7? 8? games in a row. That's where the whole "Palmar's best at day is day 1" thing comes from. It was sort of fun, but the games have gotten progressively longer and the time invested has become more and more. I am okay with being just a random middle of the pack player. So yeah, I was wrong on you. Big deal, I'm going to be again at some point in the future. | ||
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The grandest of all grand cases. The case for Palmar being Town Written by: Pálmar Presented by Pálmar Chapter 1: The early game hero The absolutely first thing I noticed in the game was Ls's reaction to my scumclaim. I immediately loved it. When rayn suggested that everyone who had posted I was very much on board with the idea so I wrote this post here: On March 10 2015 07:13 Palmar wrote: pretty much yeah. There's an outside chance JAT is mafia, but I'm willing to clear him for the day. I later explained this entire passage here: On March 14 2015 00:14 Palmar wrote: So, two things I've repeatedly referenced but not explained: rayn's betrayal This is rayn in the early game. I looked at this post, double checked the first few posts and thought to myself "hey I actually kinda sorta like that observation". So I responded with this. Obviously these are super weak clears, but I really liked the starting point rayn was going to work from. But then he responded with this: And I just got mad. I've wanted to kill rayn ever since. Because he threw out what I thought was a fairly decent observation and it ended up being a dumb shit trap play. Also, to expand even further on this one, here is WHY I thought he may have had the right idea. I liked Damdred's entrance. It wasn't forced, it was sorta jokey but not in the meek way Damdred enters the thread when he's mafia. It was just a casual joke that I had literally no problems with. I've already explained why I think LS is mafia because of this and I don't think I'll be wavering from that read any time soon. JAT is the one I didn't feel particularly good, hence why I mentioned there being a chance he was mafia. But I decided that maybe rayn had some sort of a read on him and I was okay with sheeping that for now. Which leads me to think rayn himself is town, because he made a very smart observation that I for the most part agreed with. You can imagine how annoyed I was when he turned around and did the trap thing. I can't remember what the other thing is now because this took long to write, but I'll remember soon. I had kinda decided to just sheep whatever wagons I found this game, so when Onegu went for Koshi I randomly chose to sheep it with no reasons: I want to stop here and point out that JAT spewed me town day 1: On March 10 2015 20:03 justanothertownie wrote: Eden because of his general attitude. Palmar because of this post: There is literally no way he is saying this about a scumbuddy. But let's gloss over that and keep going. I remember, reading my own filter, kinda doubting that Koshi was actually taking notes and being suspicious of him for a while. He came back with a post I claimed I could write in 5 minutes (turns out it took me 7) and that post became my first list read or state-of-the-game post. As I'm reading along I also remember being suspicous of him (Koshi) for changing his mind to please marv and I, but I kinda stopped chasing that idea and decided to just vote JAT. I can't even remember why I voted him. I think I called him town early for laughing at a joke or something and then I got mad when he questioned me reading him town for that. I also called him shit a bit, so that seems like a good reason to suspect him. prplhz questioned me and koshi going for JAT and he wrote a post that ticked me (I misunderstood him) see here: Which ended up in me wrinting this oft-quoted post. On March 10 2015 20:20 Palmar wrote: ok I'm done with today. option a) lynch prplhz option b) lynch JAT I don't particularly care which one. They can find out between themselves. This is around the time marv started suspecting rayn, so I made this incredibly best observation: On March 10 2015 22:06 Palmar wrote: sure. It's just that I'm not sure that mafia rayn would be attacking me on something so blatantly wrong. Which is totall just a joke if rayn is mafia. I did then come around to actually want to lynch rayn, mostly because of how he was interrogating LS. At the time I had already formed my very strong townread on Eden AND explained it: On March 10 2015 19:50 Palmar wrote: I'm actually going to elaborate on my LS read: This interaction happened within a minute. If LS is mafia he knows I'm not. If he knows I'm not mafia he doesn't do this very much LS thing where he looks like he genuinely believes I am actually mafia for a second and posts this impulsive post. Ergo, LS is town. QED. Which I think marv agreed with. I left the thread around this time as I usually do and when I came back in the evening I decided to troll a bit and started messing around with posts for no good reason. I did in the process make this tounge-in-cheek jab at JAT though: This is also around the time JAT again starts confirming me town by being annoyed with me basically not playing On March 11 2015 07:11 justanothertownie wrote: He is amusing. It would be more fun if he would actually play the game though. On March 11 2015 07:12 Palmar wrote: confirmed mad at my antics. JAT mafia. Then I went to sleep. When I woke up the morning after I decided it was time to do a sex analysis. Of course that seems like a fairly random move but hey. Oh, and prior to do ing that I voted JAT again because why not. I actually kinda sorta believed my sex analysis and called all the people who were dead serious mafia (rayn, prplhz, koshi, jat). Also apparently I got people's roles correct (Koshi and JAT  ) I can't remember why I called koshi cop though. Maybe because he was being all serious and anti-fun.For some reason people wanted to lynch eden day 1, I can't even rememeber why, but seeing as I was already throwing my vote around everywhere, I actually decided to just sheep it. followed by a troll vote on marv (this wasn't actually a vote to kill, I just wanted to see if anyone would believe me). I don't think I got much useful out of this stunt. On March 12 2015 04:15 Palmar wrote: ##unvote ##vote marv 100 % mafia. I'll explain when in front of a computer. When I came back people wanted to kill JAT. I can't remember exactly how the wagon was standing, but I had been calling him mafia and scumreading him all day so I was very much okay with this lynch. I voted him right away: On March 12 2015 06:47 Palmar wrote: ##unvote ##vote JAT I didn't read anything but the post at the top of the page said there's 95% chance we're lynching him so I'm assuming I'm sheeping people who actually care. Not to mention JAT confirmed me town for the third time that day: On March 12 2015 06:57 Palmar wrote: The real question is, why do you lack sex appeal? I then trolled JAT a bit by calling him worst mislynch (tbh I was also hedging my bets so I could say I was okay with mislynching him to ruin his stats). And I saw literally no downside in CC-ing rayn. I felt like I was easily in a strong enough position to withdraw without consequences and trolling rayn a bit in addition to maybe (although no one believed me...) helping him survive if he is actually medic. I think this concludes part 1. Stay tuned for part 2, descent into madness. | ||
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On March 19 2015 23:44 marvellosity wrote: it's actually a pretty good towncase. those happen to be easy to build as town. Like to further emphasize day 1. I'm not a very bus heavy mafia player and if I'm scum I was busing jat from the very beginning of the day. I would never come into a QT and just say "I'm busing all of you, enjoy". That's just not how I play mafia. | ||
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On March 20 2015 00:33 marvellosity wrote: but you're sure Eden is town. I don't see why my opinion would count over everyone else's here, not like I've had a grip on the game from start to finish :p Clearly marv best townplayer and most important opinion all other shit. | ||
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On March 20 2015 05:13 Eden1892 wrote: So Palmar, a long time back you wrote about how people who get mislynched have only themselves to blame, and you also wrote that townies sometimes have to learn to use bad logic when a thread isn't being logical. What would you recommend when absolutely no one will entertain your idea? I am at a complete loss as to how I'm supposed to convince some of these dumbasses that there is a world where neither of us is mafia. /shrug sometimes you can't win! Never stop trying though. | ||
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Please think of your own thing and post it before looking into my spoiler to see what mine is. + Show Spoiler + Seriously, come up with your own+ Show Spoiler + not joking. It's way more fun or you'll just sheep mine+ Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + Please, it makes no sense to not think of your own funniest moment.+ Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + Okay if you're this far in you're not gonna give it up anyway+ Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + here goes:+ Show Spoiler + I literally burst out laughing in real life when LS hard claimed having soft claimed. That was one of the greatest moments in mafia ever. | ||
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On March 20 2015 21:08 Koshi wrote: ##unvote ##vote Palmar My case: You are not reading Palmar. Or not getting my point. My point is that rayn and Eden their first posts have a lot of value. And because they are both good players I expect their posts to reflect their virgin thoughts on the game. Before all the madness, insanity and rage. When we look at these posts we see that the posts touch each other on multiple fronts. rayn came off a serious bender with Damdred, rereads the game 19 hours later and produces this, there is a cool part about you near the bottom: + Show Spoiler + On March 12 2015 04:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: There is no way we are lynching Eden. We are lynching justanothertownie. JAT There are three simple reasons for JAT being mafia. (1) Koshi's post where he says "jat doesn't give that sort of townreads". This is true, asbolutely true. JAT as town is paranoid as fuck and basically NEVER townreads people for that little. Never. (2) JAT is sorta defending me but never tries to find an alternative lynch. Go read his filter, does it look like he actually wants to lynch someone? Like this post: is closest to a scumread he has given in this game. Which brings me to: (3) He isn't actually doing anything. Like, he isn't pushing anything, he isn't giving any reads or thought processes on things. He is just fucking here. Lynch with fire. Onegu I totally retract my townread on Onegu for various reasons. I originally read him as town because i thought as mafia he would give a read on me quite early in the game. I understand i have looked scummy to people (well mainly to marv and rsoultin, others are/were just sheeples), Onegu -- as town -- if he thought i am town would counter people. But he isn't. Still he gives me a townread a bit later on. tbh, if he reads me as scum he is 100% mafia, but still, his reasoning is crap crappy crap. It doesn't even mean anything like marv mentioned because yes, i do those things as either alignment. My conclusion here is the same as JAT point (2) -- Onegu does not want to call me mafia but doesn't want to actually defend me either (or find an alternative lynch). Onegu WOULD defend me HARDCORE in case he was town, i am 99% sure of that. ritoky He is just useless. So very useless and i don't understand why anyone would want to join a game they are posting a lot but only posting entirely useless things. As for my townreads: marv, Koshi, rsoultin, Eden, Damdred. I don't think the first three need alot of explanation but if someone wants me to explain just ask. - Eden is town!!! Do not lynch him! The difference in him defending me is that he actually wanted to lynch other people, mainly JAT, who is fucking mafia. From what i read he trusts his tonereads and that was the main reason for him to defend me. Well yeah, while he is wrong (there is no tonereading regarding me)that doesn't make him scum, especially when he is actively trying to figure out the game in the meantime. The latest of his posts read very genuine to me and i think his argument Damdred is accusing him of (not answering him and blabla) he is definitely right on and Damdred is not. I also really like him because he has said many things i have actually meant when other people make something dumb out of it. - Damdred's posting has gotten way better since early game when he was only talking about me. I still don't believe he genuinely has other reasons to think i am mafia than to sheep marv. I also don't think he is scum for it after thinking it over. I don't even wanna touch the LS argument between me and Damdred again because while i still do not understand where i was wrong if several people think this way i probably read something wrong and i don't wanna go LS posting from some other game again. meh idk.. Maybe just add purplehaze here. I personally do not think he is town jsut because he is not like "super good" and imo doesn't say anything good enough to townread him (i still stand behind my point he played a really good D1 in Titanic). But i am going to trust marv here. At least until his posting goes from "good enough" to "superbad", which it probably will if he is scum. I have no idea what Palmar is doing and i hate it 100%, but i also know he is dick enough to do what he does now as town. I don't like him because he is calling me mafia and i feel like he is trying to antagonize me which is what he ALWAYS does as mafia, in every single game. Anyways he is nowhere near as scummy as the three red reads. I don't really read LightningStirke's posts. I don't want to argue with/about him right now because it takes effort and PoE says he is not mafia. This game has been really hard for me because nothing happened at the start of the game. I tried to get something started and apparently it failed miserably. Then the situation evolved to the point where marv makes a case on me and noone talks about anything but me -- and even here, none of the people who voted for me and are not marv even fucking said anything (except for rsoultin so huge props for her about that) for reals. I usually work by process of elimination but in this game it has been impossible for me to do so, just because noone talks (until now). So i took a workday off from posting (while i did read how much i could), worked with the opposite of PoE, and here i am. We need to murder justanothertownie with fire because he is mafia. Please. Eden solved the game less than rayn, but you can see the same line of thought on some reads. Also important is that Eden calls rayn town and the other way around. Also, comparing these 2 posts town!rayn > town!Eden by quite a margin, which is proven here.+ Show Spoiler + On March 11 2015 05:31 Eden1892 wrote: just off the top - i'm on ~1.5hr break and would rather play ff4 than do this, but just because you started being good and soul is here (1) rsoultin is virtually confirmed-town here to me. I know I know, I got her wrong for most of Horn of Africa (including when I died, so being right early doesn't really count), but I got her completely right in Titanic, and I feel very confident reading her. This is finally the game where we're town together and it's pretty exciting =)))))))))))))))))))))))) (2) You're town. At first I felt you were insufficiently paranoid about me compared to your play in Student VI, but it occurred to me that several other people (somehow) townread me early too, so that probably didn't mean much. And you had a question about ray earlier that I'll go back and quote now (I didn't at the time because lol mobile and big post) that I really liked: I liked it because... (3) I think ray is also town. Granted, I haven't seen his mafia play, and I know his propensity to get into heated arguments is probably more of his personality than anything alignment-indicative... but I read his posts and it is really clear to me that he is quite sincere in his belief you're lying and mafia. I don't even have to think his reasons for believing this are good - I don't even get what he was trying to do! - but it seemed clear to me that he was, as you put it, "keying in on something that's important to him but [is] not necessarily true or [does not] make ls mafia." (4) I think Koshi is town. I don't remember anything he's said at the moment, but I remember him trying and digging into things early on d1. I could just be sleeping on his mafia game after a lackluster Horn of Africa performance, but I know he's like me in that he has to push himself pretty hard to try as mafia (while he doesn't as town). That makes his effortless early work, despite a constrained time schedule, strongly alignment-indicative to me. (5) I think prplhz is town. Again I could be sleeping on his mafia game and/or misremembering things here, but despite not really paying any attention to Titanic I remember thinking he was vaguely suspicious, and (iirc) he was mafia there. Here I see him very blatantly trying to be productive, which I don't remember from Titanic. I like his questioning me about my vote on JAT for example, even though I have no intention of playing ball about it right now (6) I think ritoky could be mafia. The pickle thing was funny for a bit, but he's talked before (I want to say in Titanic?) about how when he's mafia he has trouble finding his groove with humor, either not being able to be funny at all and taking things too seriously or going overboard with being jokey to compensate for that issue. It seems like he's going overboard here cause, sorry bud, it's not funny anymore. Coupled with him not trying to figure out the game at all (and my understanding that he does this as town, like most townies tend to do), he seems like a pretty good lynch right now. (7) I'm voting justanothertownie. (8) I think marv is probably town, the way I read marv is pretty simple: (I) Is he trying? If yes go to (II), if no mafia. (II) Did I actively think he's mafia? If yes he's probably town, because I get this wrong all the time. If no go to (III). (III) Did I actively think he's town? If yes he's probably town. If no go to (IV). (IV) Is it past day 1? If yes he's probably mafia, because when marv is mafia he's usually null and you find him by him not being clearly town. If no then you run through this chart again d2. (9) I'm unimpressed with Palmar so far but I have marv as probably town and I figure marv can figure out Palmar for me. And then there is rsoultin. We all know mafia nk most likely is done because of her reads. And very unlikely was rng or a framejob. And looking at it now rsoultin was killed for the level she solved the game, correct townreads, correct scumreads: + Show Spoiler + On March 12 2015 19:57 rsoultin wrote: mrrrr too many townyish people this game big problem lol -sits on marv's head and peers down at him- you could be scum you know...kinda funny you seem to think that's an impossible thought to have. like i wouldn't be considering it if most of the player base didn't look town, but still koshi+rayn+LS definite townies hi townies ^^ (tinfoil hat could i suppose have rayn scum ccing jat scum but that's a super fucking weird play lol and if they did that i don't mind losing to it ><) prp...i like for town on filter dive. only reservation is despite his contribution to scumreading jat he stayed on rayn, but considering his reaction to rayn's LS push and his involvement in the thread otherwise, it adds up eden anger too real...like i feel he'd hard town me as either alignment unless i started looking like a shitbag and other potential mislynches are actually harder to get lynched than me, but his paroxysms of fury/frustration are not how i remember him behaving when we caught him as scum before marv...liked where his head was at. we clicked early. he did not want to lynch jat and only came around at the end...could mean a tunnel, we all do it, and i'm still inclined to say he's town. i even agree he's more likely to try to get cred out of that lynch especially considering jat goon...however. gotta love howevers xP this whole the main reason to townread him is he would have tried to get credit is weaksauce and his response to koshi read overly defensive to me. so he dropped to a light read. naughty marv ritoky...if the only reason i can possibly town you is cause jat was pushing you you're sucking wind, boyo. i think it may be normal for you to get off to a slow start though so let me make this simple: YOU ARE NOT CONFIRMED TOWN TO ME. that means you actually have to do some shit. i see no reason jat couldn't have bussed you, and a lot of folks look way more townie than you do onegu...only reason to townread him is the vt claim and that does actually appear to be a thing...again, if that's the only reason i can call you town, though, that's frankly not anywhere close to good enough palmar...prp is scum? lol i can't read your game anyway, and apparently you've lost your pulse on prp as it is, but i don't know what the hell you're doing this game damdred like...i don't think i even need to add on here. i still feel like he poe'd himself. there's a bit of awkwardness to his play this game, too, and i forget who mentioned his townreads looking naïve town, but naïve is not a word i'd associate with damdred...ever If you want Eden I will sheep you rayn, but I think Palmar fits better. I honestly don't care about this case because you're calling me mafia based on nothing that I have said so by definition it has to be an awful reason to vote me and you're going to have to deal with the fallout when I'm dead. | ||
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On March 20 2015 22:46 Koshi wrote: When you put 2 oranges and an apple in a bag. Later you pull out 2 oranges. The last one in the bag is going to be an apple. Unless of course you're too stupid to recognize one of the oranges was actually an apple. | ||
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The Grand case for Palmar being town Written by: Pálmar Presented by: Pálmar Chapter 2: Descent into madness When we left off our hero (me) had successfully called mafia mafia throughout the day and helped kill the bastard. Things were looking quite good for me, so I figured it would be a perfect time to let the demons inside run free again. I obviously started by going right back to calling marv mafia. And this time I actually felt like I had a reason to believe it. On March 12 2015 07:14 Palmar wrote: well marv is 100% mafia so there's that. This here is a series of troll posts written specifically to try to investigate my theory at the time. I found marv sort of scummy and I also found prplhz sort of scummy. However I didn't believe they would defend each other like they did if they were both mafia, yet I didn't really believe one was pocketing the other. I basically convinced myself that they must be masons. On March 12 2015 08:19 Palmar wrote: I can see beyond On March 12 2015 08:29 Palmar wrote: marv why do you hide this information from me? I know you have another lover. Koshi knows. On March 12 2015 08:30 Palmar wrote: but can something so obvious be true? Or is that only what they want us to believe...  I will not announce my protection tonight. I don't like using protection anyway. On March 12 2015 18:38 Palmar wrote: marv, where is your lover? On March 12 2015 18:53 Palmar wrote: No you would not. Marv why are you so obvious about it? And then when that didn't work (I was kinda hoping marv would mindmeld and say something that would make me believe they were masons without actually saying it), I wrote this one: On March 12 2015 18:55 Palmar wrote: I have two very particular reasons to think you may be mafia. One of them is significantly better than the other, but there could also be a very logical explanation to that one. So, do you think I'm right? Those two reasons were: 1) marv defending prplhz. The logical explanation to that one is 2) marv's post right here: On March 12 2015 09:50 marvellosity wrote: but if anyone wants to call me mafia, they seriously have to rationalise how: I have jat in bottom 3 in both my lists but I never push his lynch but I basically don't do anything for the 24h or however long he's clearly leading the vote so I claim literally the least credit that is humanly possible for the totally inevitable lynch of my scumbuddy. because to make this argument you have to call me a moron. So good luck. As I later explained. I did not believe this was entirely an honest assessment of how marv would react. I in fact would think he would feel obliged to call JAT mafia (me and koshi were already on his ass, with rayn close behind), and I also feel like he wouldn't bus the fuck out of JAT, instead giving jat time to defend himself (hence, not push JAT). I still don't think marv is being completely honest here, as while maybe different, his approach wouldn't be as different as he wants to believe. But that's up for discussion. I later just straight up asked them: On March 12 2015 19:28 Palmar wrote: basically tinfoil hat palmar thinks you guys are masons. And at the time I was confused by marv's secret message. I literally could not remember marv ever using some kind of obfusciating tactic like that, so it bugged the hell out of it. I thought the message was some sort of a breadcrumb for a role claim, which only added to my suspicion that either something was wrong, or marv and prplhz were masons. Even add to the pile, marv talked about shooting me that night, and the stuff that I felt like was just weird from marv piled on. He knows how I respond to being on the lynch block as town (as evidenced here this game). It's a terrible idea to shoot me night 1. But apparently marv decided to be a bit of a dick to me this game. At this poitn in the game though I don't think I actually thought marv was mafia. I felt like something was up, but I didn't know what it was (and I still don't know what it is). Marv was still very posty and felt interactive enough. I basically had him at this point with a giant "I don't know" sign on his head. Just to add to it, during this night my reads are sort of all over the place. I scumread literally all of the following people: rayn (for being sort of absent and not invested), ritoky (for overplaying the troll thing) and Eden (I don't even remember why). I also made a pretty solid post about koshi when rsoultin threatened to call him mafia: On March 12 2015 21:04 Palmar wrote: koshi is not being unreasonable, he is being disagreeable. mafia tend to be unreasonable and agreeable Koshi fits neither. He knows. This was a fantastic post in hindsight I think. I also want to point this out, just so it's in people's heads. As day broke, I had a new plan in mind. Or well, a plan is an overstatement. I did whatever the fuck I felt like at the time and I figured that there was no downside. I could shield the real vig if there was a vig, and if it was mafia.... well I just wanted to piss them off. On March 13 2015 07:02 Palmar wrote: I shot rsoultin It wasn't a great plan. I don't think I had ever tried to call rsoultin mafia so anyone who actually paid attention should have called me out on it right away. It did however lead to an interesting development. On March 13 2015 07:09 Eden1892 wrote: something seriously isn't right here. if mafia has rb then maybe they don't shoot ray, but they rb him, which means unless mafia and vig both shot rso then there's a vet? but then we have vig, vet, doc. i don't believe that for an instant if palmar lied and there isn't a vig then we just have to have a doc who was rb'd, which... is sorta ok? but then why was rso shot If Eden turns out to be the final mafia. I actually caught him with this stunt, I just never realized it. I did vote him at the time for immediately realizing I was lying through my teeth. On March 13 2015 07:39 Palmar wrote: Like you will be lynched in lylo marv. Until then I'm assuming you're town and we can work together. I explained to marv he was never my real target. I was just investigating/trolling him during the night. I think this post best summarizes my thoughts after the night and a little bit into the day: On March 13 2015 07:53 Palmar wrote: Btw, reason for PoE we only have 2 claimed blues. So I'm just assuming rayn is actually the medic or vet or whatever else he could be. marv is town, koshi is town I'm counting on the marv prplhz soul read to make prplhz town. Same with koshi and damdred. LS is basically confirmed. So, that leaves eden, ritoky and onegu. Eden, who I at that point really thought was mafia, kept arguing with me why I would let the prplhz read from marv affect me, but I kinda think I did the right thing right there. On March 13 2015 08:02 Palmar wrote: If I think marv is town and he is absolutely sure someone else is town that is good enough for me. This is the point in the thread LS softs a blue, then hard claims having softed a blue and proceeds to leave the thread. Just to give myself town points I was absolutely fucking loving this part of the game. On March 13 2015 08:10 Palmar wrote: You might as well do it now, there is only one possible role that you can claim that gives this information and that is jailkeeper. On March 13 2015 08:12 Palmar wrote: god I need to sleep but I really want this to go on. pls don't leave without actually making your claim LS So with LS gone without having claimed Koshi (I think) asked me if I was really the vig and I answer quite honestly. On March 13 2015 08:19 Palmar wrote: no, I just wanted to piss the mafia off by claiming their nk. With this, I went to sleep. I had no clear goal in mind and felt the game was in a bit of a swing. My reads were still all over the place. Note, I sort of love reading my filter how I constantly swing and change my mind on marv. I'm doing it at a massively high rate. So when I woke up this was almost the truth for me: On March 13 2015 18:29 Palmar wrote: I am okay with whatever you guys do as long as it's not lynching me. I'm basically up for lynching anyone else. So Koshi wanted me to kill ritoky so I agreed with killing ritoky. Just to emphasize how all over the place I was, here's a list I sort of threw out there. I would like to note that this is my list of "If I ignore everything people are saying and what they have done, how much do I want to kill them". It wasn't really a "how likely is this player to flip mafia" list. The two are obviously related but rayn, for example, is too low compared to the chances I'd have given him at the time to flip mafia (although he wouldn't be high). On March 13 2015 23:50 Palmar wrote: By the way, because I'm all in contemplative serious mode right now. Despite all my votes all around, this is my list from towniest to mafia. LS Koshi marv Eden ritoky Damdred onegu prplhz rayn I did sort of mention this: On March 13 2015 23:55 Palmar wrote: Like I know my list is horrible and wrong because I know I shouldn't think this way. At this point in the game marv makes his case on ritoky and I'm sort of resigned to it. I still don't really think marv is mafia, or well, I'm fencesitting like a boss on the issue, and I feel it's ok to sheep him on it. I also took the time to explain why I was so adamant that I would at some point lynch rayn and wrote that explanation of the betrayal post that I have referenced several times. On March 14 2015 00:50 Palmar wrote: yeah screw it marv is town. more flip-flopping on marv On March 14 2015 02:55 Palmar wrote: Koshi is 100% town for demanding this claim out of rayn. He was already but this is such a townie mindset. This is one of the main reasons I actually do believe Koshi's cop claim. Aside from setup balance, he really, really did sound like a townie there. Rayn actually did rescind his claim and I was still very much on the edge regarding him. I actually decided in the hours leading up to the lynch that I was going to let go of all my nagging suspicions (that would rise again to bite me in the ass later) and trust the simple solution. The next post is probably the most sincere post I've written all game. It describes my thoughts at the time very, very accurately with no hidden agenda in it. On March 15 2015 04:39 Palmar wrote: Like there is something off about this game. Thankfully we lynched JAT yesterday so we have bought some time to figure it out (mislynching 2 in a row now wouldn't be the end of the world). I don't know what it is, and I'm sort of fine with it. There exists a very simple solution to the game on the surface. We assume marv is town and trust his read on prplhz. We assume koshi has to be town. We assume Eden is town for his attitude, and we assume Damdred is town because of the self-vote/pussy tactics. LS has to be town too. Then we lynch into ritoky, onegu and rayn who all could be mafia. Onegu on activity, marv's points regarding ritoky actually made sense, and rayn based on apathy/negative attitude/betrayal. Then we ride into the sunset. I just don't think, that in this case, the game is that easy. But I'm willing to give the simple solution a shot. I didn't have more to say that day. I sheeped marv's case on ritoky, I stated where I was at and how I believed it was best to continue with the game. The following night was over a weekend and I didn't really do much. My marv radar spiked again when marv admitted he didn't know what was up and said he would agree to sheep people into lynching me. With marv wanting me shot n1 and then saying he'd lynch me n2, I decided "fuck it" and last minute called him mafia in the off chance I'd get shot. The point being (as I later explained) that I was not at all worried that town marv couldn't shed a bit of suspicion if wrongly placed, while I was sincerely worried scum marv would never be lynched if he was mafia. On March 16 2015 07:00 Palmar wrote: it's marv + someone And thus ends the second part of the grandest case. Stay tuned for the third part: The Doomsday Device | ||
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