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yes i've just been reading Eden's filter because I was looking through the early voters on jat. It just doesn't look very bussy. Also his attention is still all over the place. i ctrl-f "##vote" in his last mafia game and I saw one whole vote.
Of the other early jat voters, Palmar's is meaningless because he's just voting whoever.
I also noticed Onegu's. But then I also caught a quote from one of his other games while I was checking where he said "yes I promise I will not bus this game for a change!" or words like this. So I don't attach very much importance to this. I think he can easily just vote jat as mafia there.
LS also, just looks even better for him always.
So I think even if I can't elevate Eden to LS/Koshi level, probably I can elevate him far enough that I can be fairly sure to say he is town.
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Like I can honestly say I like nothing about rayn's play except for his push on jat.
Calling me certain town and then going back to "meh" some meaningless post is really weird.
Calling Damdred mafia, then saying "I have no idea why people read Damdred as mafia" is REALLY weird, no matter what explanation you came possibly come up with. He also asks me for the mafia process behind this which is something I know he does as mafia (in the game I referenced of his earlier about the weird jat vote - he asked me "what mafia motivation to vote jat there?"). I can't remember if he does it as town. Maybe he does and maybe someone will check, in which case that part doesn't matter.
But he has this jat push. Is it enough?
That's all I have on rayn right now.
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I will try to talk about other players this way over the next hours. Not because I can necessarily reach a conclusion that I want, but maybe people can persuade me I am thinking about something wrong or giving too much importance or something, and then I can make progress.
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it's a shame Risen is not in the game, we could lynch him for free.
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From the other game:
On March 03 2015 07:52 ritoky wrote:
also damdred is either town or pocketing me so hard with his soul read.
Remind anyone of anything?
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From Mini Mafia down under 2
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On March 12 2015 05:52 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2015 05:50 justanothertownie wrote:On March 12 2015 05:49 ritoky wrote:On March 12 2015 05:49 justanothertownie wrote:On March 12 2015 05:48 rsoultin wrote:
good freaking god ><
MOST PEOPLE WERE CALLING RITOKY MAFIA! RAYN IS RIGHT! STOP BEING OBTUSE! Way to miss the point. that you were lying about your read? no i think she got it What? you say most people weren't calling me mafia over half the thread has me on a mafia or a poe mafia list. you are lying. case closed.
This is 1 hour ten minutes before deadline - ritoky then afks and only comes back and votes jat with 5 minutes remaining when the lynch is already sewn up.
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On March 13 2015 23:39 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2015 23:09 Koshi wrote:
I cannot tell you why ritoky and Palmar are town. Here's a thought. When I am mafia, there is always an endgame. I always try to create a situation that could potentially win my team the game. I probably try harder as mafia than town, in general. You can call me mafia, but only if you can explain my endgame, no matter how ridiculous your explanation is, just make yourself think about it.
"lynch marv day 4"
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I'm saying things about people. Tell me where I am wrong and where I am right. Tell me (and/or Koshi) why we are wrong about Eden. You have been pushing him quite a bit today. We both think there are very good reasons to call him town.
ENGAGE
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On March 12 2015 05:24 ritoky wrote:
sorry, i take pride in the accuracy of my day 1 reads not gonna hand out scum reads i don't feel confident in
#dealwithit
palmar and damdred are town though. might sheep palmar
On March 12 2015 05:33 ritoky wrote:
when applying lynch pressure to someone and they still refuse to give out reads they don't believe in, should you a) think they are more scum or b) think they are more town
the correct answer is b.
why did you answer with a?
also idk, i don't have a real reason to lynch rayn or jat i would rather sheep palmar
On March 12 2015 05:38 ritoky wrote:
you can switch to me if you want eden, i won't be switching to rayn
##unvote
##vote: marv
sheepin dat palmar cuz he has the #sickstrats
On March 12 2015 05:52 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2015 05:50 justanothertownie wrote:On March 12 2015 05:49 ritoky wrote:On March 12 2015 05:49 justanothertownie wrote:On March 12 2015 05:48 rsoultin wrote:
good freaking god ><
MOST PEOPLE WERE CALLING RITOKY MAFIA! RAYN IS RIGHT! STOP BEING OBTUSE! Way to miss the point. that you were lying about your read? no i think she got it What? you say most people weren't calling me mafia over half the thread has me on a mafia or a poe mafia list. you are lying. case closed.
On March 12 2015 06:00 ritoky wrote:
i found 2 confirmed town, palmar and damdred. koochi is like 80% town too. urr1 else is in gray area somewhere
On March 12 2015 06:07 ritoky wrote:
rayn now on equal footing as koochi; 80% town read
I'm quoting all these posts together for some context. Let's take the first 2-3 posts. ritoky says he ain't got no strong scumreads so he'll sheep one of his townreads (Palmar). Ok I guess. Second post is "i don't have a reason to lynch rayn or jat" - ok, so he blindly puts his vote on me, when Palmar has provided no explanation for why I am mafia.
4th post - ritoky has A VERY GOOD REASON to call jat mafia. jat is literally lying about the stuff on ritoky.
But no switch.
5th/6th posts - Koshi and rayn are both 80% townreads. Koshi and rayn are both hardpushing jat.
Koshi and rayn are both hardpushing jat, ritoky has outright accused jat of lying, ritoky townreads Koshi and rayn, and yet ritoky leaves his vote and only moves it right at the end.
Why?
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On March 13 2015 23:46 Palmar wrote:
Like it bugs me to no end that I can't call you town. I'm going to suspend that notion for today because that's probably the best way to move forward, but it's really annoying because if it wasn't for your read I'd probably be on prplhz' ass right now.
Tell me why you think he is mafia.
And whether you make anything of what I just wrote on ritoky
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On March 13 2015 23:52 LightningStrike wrote:
Ritoky also under no pressure claimed VT why would Mafia do that?
he was under pressure, he literally said "let's stop this nonsense right now" while people were discussing him as possibly mafia.
It is also not difficult to claim VT as mafia. You go "hi I am VT"
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On March 13 2015 23:53 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2015 23:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am home. Gimme 15min to shower i have something interesting to say. THANK JEEBUS YOU ARE HERE
Don't ignore stuff I wrote. you/people need to engage it. plz.
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On March 13 2015 23:53 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2015 23:52 marvellosity wrote:On March 13 2015 23:46 Palmar wrote:
Like it bugs me to no end that I can't call you town. I'm going to suspend that notion for today because that's probably the best way to move forward, but it's really annoying because if it wasn't for your read I'd probably be on prplhz' ass right now. Tell me why you think he is mafia. And whether you make anything of what I just wrote on ritoky Because he has posted extremely short posts containing nothing of value. Literally the only thing I remember him doing is defending you.
Cool let's try flesh it out. Yes, everything I wrote on prplhz was metrics. He whines as mafia, he's not here. He's posting far more than he typically posts as mafia, fine.
So let's move on to something gameplay related. prplhz pushed the idea quite hard that jat doesn't make early townreads.
In fact he even went to Imperial, read jat's filter, and reported back here with the results. (something I don't think he'd bother doing to incriminate his mafiabuddy, but that's by the by?)
He then pushed the idea repeatedly in thread.
He then let jat get lynched without taking any credit whatsoever, by having his vote somewhere else, even though he'd researched and helped push the idea that jat doesn't make early throwaway townreads, and actively questioned people on it.
Thoughts?
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On March 13 2015 23:54 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2015 23:53 marvellosity wrote:On March 13 2015 23:52 LightningStrike wrote:
Ritoky also under no pressure claimed VT why would Mafia do that? he was under pressure, he literally said "let's stop this nonsense right now" while people were discussing him as possibly mafia. It is also not difficult to claim VT as mafia. You go "hi I am VT" Hmm I don't recall him being pressured at the time he claimed VT. Might need to check his filter and look at the timing of it better.
he literally claimed VT with the reason that people were calling him scum
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also that stuff on prplhz ^^^
that is for anyone, not just Palmar. Please tell me why I am wrong about it.
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Koshi I am rereading that passage.
By the way.
jat is exactly the sort of player to say this in a scumQT: "you play like this ritoky. do not do this. do this instead"
Obviously this is completely conjecture, but it could explain ritoky's play.
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On March 14 2015 00:01 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2015 23:56 marvellosity wrote:On March 13 2015 23:53 Palmar wrote:On March 13 2015 23:52 marvellosity wrote:On March 13 2015 23:46 Palmar wrote:
Like it bugs me to no end that I can't call you town. I'm going to suspend that notion for today because that's probably the best way to move forward, but it's really annoying because if it wasn't for your read I'd probably be on prplhz' ass right now. Tell me why you think he is mafia. And whether you make anything of what I just wrote on ritoky Because he has posted extremely short posts containing nothing of value. Literally the only thing I remember him doing is defending you. Cool let's try flesh it out. Yes, everything I wrote on prplhz was metrics. He whines as mafia, he's not here. He's posting far more than he typically posts as mafia, fine. So let's move on to something gameplay related. prplhz pushed the idea quite hard that jat doesn't make early townreads. In fact he even went to Imperial, read jat's filter, and reported back here with the results. (something I don't think he'd bother doing to incriminate his mafiabuddy, but that's by the by?) He then pushed the idea repeatedly in thread. He then let jat get lynched without taking any credit whatsoever, by having his vote somewhere else, even though he'd researched and helped push the idea that jat doesn't make early throwaway townreads, and actively questioned people on it. Thoughts? Sure, I actually really like the part you said about imperial and i think it's relevant. I'll go have a look at the content at some point, but by the way you're explaining it I'm actually much more comfortable with prplhz than before. If he actually made a specific (and not a generic, sweeping) claim about JAT like that you are indeed correct that he's probably town. I did not read the part that lead to JAT being lynched.
Further to this. I don't know how important it is. I think it was really obvious that he properly researched it because:
it was Damdred who said, lazily, "er yea actually jat made early townreads in Imperial"
and prplhz actively challenged him on that assertion.
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On March 14 2015 00:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:So here is what happened on D2, at the beginning: Palmar claims vigi shot on rsoultin. Eden immediately votes for Palmar. This doesn't make any fucking sense unless he knows Palmar did not in fact shoot rsoultin, which makes him mafia most likely. Also look at this: Show nested quote +On March 13 2015 07:09 Eden1892 wrote:
something seriously isn't right here. if mafia has rb then maybe they don't shoot ray, but they rb him, which means unless mafia and vig both shot rso then there's a vet?
but then we have vig, vet, doc. i don't believe that for an instant
if palmar lied and there isn't a vig then we just have to have a doc who was rb'd, which... is sorta ok? but then why was rso shot HOW ON EARTH DOES EDEN KNOW THERE IS A DOC WHO WAS ROLEBLOCKED? Eden did you roleblock me?  ##vote Eden
Who did you protect?
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