Okay guys I'm back and now I bring the case on why JAT is confirmed Mafia. Now lets start with my first piece of evidence his case on HF on page 15 of his filter:
On February 07 2015 23:43 justanothertownie wrote:Ok, so first of all HF is one of the best if not the best scum player on this site. You won't catch him for being inactive uninteresting or any of this shit and he will bus teammates who are playing badly. He will say towny stuff from time to time and he is also perfectly able to "mindmeld" with you at times. You need to look for the agenda he is pushing.
This is why he is mafia:
This is the start of his rsoultin scumread day1. From now on she is basically his #1 scumread.
On February 05 2015 07:03 Holyflare wrote:
I mean if i'm honest I'm probably more sure about rs than damdy
On February 05 2015 07:20 Holyflare wrote:
yeh rsoul is green when I just gave the best case against her ever
On February 05 2015 09:20 Holyflare wrote:
rs is like the biggest mafia and hardly anyone is mentioning her and goes off making cases on other people instead
On February 05 2015 10:10 Holyflare wrote:On February 05 2015 10:07 Eden1892 wrote:
And shit you said Damdred got more townie. So even if rsoultin didn't, it's bullshit that you're telling me you still have a scumread and so you're content with being lazy.
it is what it is, rsoul has literally posted nothing all game and it hasn't really changed i don't care what your gut tells you or not
On February 06 2015 02:50 Holyflare wrote:On February 06 2015 02:45 batsnacks wrote:On February 06 2015 02:43 Holyflare wrote:
I'm at a crossroads between just not giving a crap about the game and giving a modicum of care towards the game with an emphasis on the former and it's somewhat annoying to me.
Nobody even mentioned me other than eden and i haven't even done anything this game really which is super boring and probably means mafia is the weaker players.
I'd vote you if that makes you feel better.
Breshke though... Really...
I'm more inclined to vote rs tbh
But when the deadline comes nearer and people are not all about lynching rsoultin he completely forgets about the read. He isn't decided on who to lynch and has MULTIPLE different targets suddenly that he keeps pushing really hard:
On February 06 2015 07:52 Holyflare wrote:
let's kill oneguuuuuuuuuu
if i'm wrong you can flame me for wasting your time
On February 06 2015 07:56 Holyflare wrote:
abandon wagon ABANDON WAGON
SHEEP TO DAMDRED OR I LYNCH YOU TOMORROW
On February 06 2015 07:57 Holyflare wrote:
god this breshke is actually 100% mafia or something
Notice how ALL of those are town and he can jump between them as much as he wants if he is mafia. No mention of rsoulting ever during all of this.
So what has rsoultin done to make him forget about her? The answer is absolutely nothing. She disappeared like he will say himself later.
Ok, so mislynch accomplished. Back to scumreading rsoultin immediately:
On February 06 2015 08:24 Holyflare wrote:
it's funny how rsoul just appeared at deadline to vote onegu and then completely disappeared again so probably 100% breshke/jat/rsoul
So, I point this out and this is his reaction:
On February 07 2015 01:15 Holyflare wrote:
How have I treated rs? I've thought she was mafia all game and at deadline onegu was way more convincing mafia but then he wasn't mafia so i went back to talking about rs being mafia?
Then where was this read during eod? He literally went after 3 other people and said nothing about her.
If you want to know how town HF handles his scumreads eod look at void mafia. He scumread HTS and pushed her hard even though noone else really was up for it besides Kelsier. He didn't give a fuck about other targets - he pushed HIS scumread.
Now he claimes he scumread rsoulting all game and then he does nothing about getting her lynched? There is no way town HF does this.
He is INSISTING that he never dropped his rsoultin reads though:
On February 07 2015 01:24 Holyflare wrote:
No it's not he said my read progression is damning because I drop it when I haven't
And then the real gem comes:
On February 07 2015 02:00 Holyflare wrote:
I'm also going to preemptively defend myself from a jat onslaught by saying i wasn't invested in this game at all until deadline so my rs read isn't very concrete compared to reads i was making in real time then. Seeing as I was mostly trolling, apart from the nagging what if on damdred.
Not only can you easily see the guilty conscience - he knows I am town and that I caught him and will push him - but SUDDENLY HIS READ WASN'T VERY CONCRETE?
Read the posts I quoted earlier again and decide for yourself if you want to believe this and keep in mind that he "scumread rsoultin all game" and "never dropped the read".
This guy is mafia. I will show more reasons but this rsoultin read evolution is damning enough on it's own and I don't want the post to get too big.
On February 07 2015 23:51 justanothertownie wrote:On February 06 2015 08:51 Holyflare wrote:
pretty sure a town jat would have switched to onegu when I was pushing for it
Then we have this reasoning for scumreading me which makes no sense in the first place since I had more reasons to scumread SL than Onegu but even if we ignore this - why would I as scum make myself look bad by not following town marv and HF around (which I have done as scum before) if all lynch targets are town anyways and I could just switch as often as I want?
On February 06 2015 09:33 Holyflare wrote:
yeh mafia is undeniably palmar or jat because they are just the type of people to qq in their scum qt/pms about modkilling
I already commented on this post. It is just another awful reason to push me.
On February 06 2015 13:43 Holyflare wrote:
I'm still 100% lynching jat though he's done a void all over again where he avoids all the wagons and reasoning while still agreeing with it. He did the exact same thing in heavyweight too.
Flat out lying when I clearly WAS on one of the wagons and was also pushing it. Saying I avoided wagons in heavyweight is also a straight lie.
Then his defense against me:
On February 07 2015 01:25 Holyflare wrote:
It's absolutely not irrelevant because do you see him talking about rsoul at deadline? Absolutely not so if he is town then why does his read make sense to him when he did the same thing?
This is absolutely irrelevant. I was not the one pushing rsoulting as my top scumread.
On February 07 2015 01:32 Holyflare wrote:On February 07 2015 01:26 marvellosity wrote:
his rsoul read came subsequently, pretty obviously, and yours didn't
so.
Rsoul has been in his poe list and someone he could have lynched the entire game and he barely ever commented on her
Like it doesn't matter anyway because his read is totally irrelevant if you read the deadline and if it's his only proper read this game when it should be pretty damn easy to poe the majority of mafia then he doesn't have much hope
Another lie. He said this when I had just poe'ed the mafia team a few posts before this. Still going on about how I read rsoultin which has nothing to do with my argument against him.
On February 07 2015 07:20 Holyflare wrote:
which is a pain because my effort level is low and i know jat is just going to whine and make it difficult to lynch him
He knows I am town and won't let myself be mislynched without putting up a fight.
Now if you looked in Void Mafia he was just as aggressive towards HF at Pages 1,2, and 3 of his filter on these same type of behavior towards a different player named Half the Sky before turned his attention to his scum read Marv in that game. Also note his behavior after HF backed off of JAT , JAT started to like him in Void Mafia at page 4.
Now if you look at his behavior regarding the votes on him or prssure on him he just attacked everyone including me and HF in this game. He did similar behavior throughout Void Mafia as scum and here is a convenient quote that JAT also in this game when someone mention him as scum in void Mafia when Koshi was town:
Notice how he got angry on people wanting to lynch him throughout this game and in void he displayed the same behavior. When I played with him in Metal Mini he didn't seem to get mad as easily as this game and was activly solve the game there too.
EPT
