On March 17 2015 01:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:Eden:This is from his D1 reads. I don't agree with it at all.
Show nested quote +(5) I think prplhz is town. Again I could be sleeping on his mafia game and/or misremembering things here, but despite not really paying any attention to Titanic I remember thinking he was vaguely suspicious, and (iirc) he was mafia there. Here I see him very blatantly trying to be productive, which I don't remember from Titanic. I like his questioning me about my vote on JAT for example, even though I have no intention of playing ball about it right now
I don't think he evfer explains why prplhz seems "productive", especially more productive than he was in Titanic. Elaboration would be nice. The answer is not "because he questioned my vote on JAT" because that post was obviously questionable.
Meh, Eden actually tried real hard to get ritokyl lynched with his scumread JAT. I don't really how he goes from JAT being his top scumread to ritoky on D1. Because of something JAT said? There should be quite much natural resistance against when your top scumread makes a case on someone upon being lynched. Unless the case is really good, which clearly was not the point here as the case was "ritoky is not playing". I don't think that is a good enough case to trust in Eden's situation here, as itis an obvious case to make for mafia!JAT.
I also do not understand how Eden goes from "ritoky is the best lynch, if not D1 i am lynching him D2" into "I'm not bragging on JAT cause I wavered but I am totally pushing my credit for Damdred if he flips scum. We should sheep my case on him tomorrow"
into -> "Damdred is my best pick. After that it's probably Onegu. That's all I got right now".
... Like i know ritoky was town and all that shit but this is just not natural. Because either Eden (from town perspective) didn't give a fuck if he lynches a townie or mafia on D1 if he thinks exactly one of JAT/ritoky is scum, or he thought both of them are scum, which makes this even more scummy.
Furthermore in his reads list on N1 he gives all the reasons for ritoky to be mafia in this instance, and ends up in a conclusion
"ritoky is town"?!?!?!
Show nested quote +ritoky is probably town on further reflection. There seemed to be a brief window where the lynch was in question, with ray, ritoky and JAT as the three wagons. JAT was very animated about getting people who weren't committed against him or ray to vote for ritoky over him. I think it was Koshi who called it the "time when JAT had hope" of not being lynched, and he spent an awful lot of it trying to get ritoky lynched. The catch here is that JAT is the better scumsided player compared to ritoky pretty easily, and I'd think that in most cases a given scumteam would rather sac ritoky to save JAT than the reverse. (No offense ritoky, it's not that you're bad, it's that JAT has arguably the best scumside game of anyone currently active on TL Mafia.) So JAT busing isn't out of the question. And it's not like ritoky has played a scintillating obvtown game either. But the reason this is more likely town is simple - if the mafia team had decided to bus (which, if they're both mafia, JAT pushing ritoky hard = bus), why didn't ritoky push to get JAT lynched? It's too glaring an inconsistency to ignore, so I think ritoky is probably town.
I still don't like his reaction to Palmar's vigi claim. Maybe i am wrong on this and it does not mean anything but i have seen manyu times scum say something to give out they have extra information they should not. Two examples:
- that game where i claimed masons with SL's scumbuddy. After the reaction i got i was like "yeah these two guys are definitely mafia together" but than i was retarded and dumped it because it sounded too easy.
- one game where i claimed mafia had tried to see if i was their traitor (in the game if mafia incorrectly guesses who the traitor is that townie will know mafia has tried to guess them), i got "lol they did not guess you" -> ezpz traitor read, dumb town never lynched him obviously...
I don't know if i am reading too much into this and it bothers me because i KNOW i have been right on this kinda stuff before. But everyone seems to be disagreeing with me as "rsoultin was Eden's top town read yadda yadda" whatever he gave as an explanation. I just do not see why he would make that post, ever, as town.
At some point on D2 he goes from hardcore scumreading Damdred and Onegu to this:
Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 03:33 Eden1892 wrote:^^^^ i am serious about palmarv team though. or at least one part of it:
##VOTE: Palmarthis guy isn't figuring the game out and hardclaimed cop with an inno on ray claiming to believe ray was godfather. like lol pls. and i think damdred is incorrect to say that palmar has been trolling a lot; he has been trollish to an extent but it's actually a lot less pervasive than i remember from his town games. i'm also not sure that him not pushing lynches super-hard indicates town, because he tends to lock in on a target VERY decisively as town (see
Hammertime Mafia for a recent example).
i'm not sure who the partner would be. marv comes to mind, i don't feel the same level of investment that i've come to expect from town!marv, but i also feel like his interaction with jat is uncharacteristic of his mafia game. i think everyone damdred townread before his final 4 is probably town, and mostly for the reasons damdred said, to boot
my issue is that i like onegu AND ritoky for town :/ i'm not writing off damdred but he's not my lynch today.
maybe another day will help sort this out? but palmar has to go imo
I don't even know why?? He never explains why Damdred is no more mafia. He never explains why Onegu is no more mafia, he just "doesn't even care about Onegu" anymore. Maybe it's the dumb VT claim, which, again, has been there for fucking ages.
Well okay, he explains them later. So Damdred did this AtE thing and Onegu claimed VT. rofl. Those things are really easy to do as mafia, rage, or write some words. Fuck i don't know, maybe Eden iss town after all it seems consistent with his line of thinking during the game regarding other things....
idk, someone help me out here? I really don't know what to think of this. This kinda reminds me of myself when i started playing mafia but way worse. It seems like Eden does shit for no reason and changes his mind for no reason. I know he is a hardcore busser. So he probably has balls to say whatever shit he evercomes up with as mafia. I don't care about meta here, i want to understand why Eden does these things if he is town because i refuse just believe someone is incapable of doing irrational things as mafia....
EPT
