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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 18 2015 14:10 GMT
#5315
On March 18 2015 23:07 marvellosity wrote:
Surely the last two sentences explain why he is invalidating the rest of his theory?

No?
"The catch here is that JAT is the better scumsided player compared to ritoky pretty easily, and I'd think that in most cases a given scumteam would rather sac ritoky to save JAT than the reverse."
"if the mafia team had decided to bus (which, if they're both mafia, JAT pushing ritoky hard = bus), why didn't ritoky push to get JAT lynched?"
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 18 2015 14:14 GMT
#5317
On March 18 2015 23:11 marvellosity wrote:
he's saying that the inconsistency that he thought made ritoky town was the fact that ritoky didn't bus jat back

I am not sure i understand properly.
Isn't he saying JAT is a better scumplayer than ritoky, therefore it makes sense ritoky being bussed in this instance. Then he wonders why ritoky didn't bus back?

Like the first sentence is the explanation why ritoky did not bus back, because it is one more vote on JAT who is the other wagon. If mafia wanted to bus ritoky to death in order to save JAT why would ritoky vote for JAT?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 18 2015 14:19 GMT
#5319
Like i know Eden ended up in the right conclusion -> "ritoky is town".
But the thought process he had should imo end up in the opposite conclusion as:
- He gaves all the reasons why ritoky would NOT vote for JAT if he is mafia
- ritoky not voting for JAT makes him town?!?!?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 18 2015 14:23 GMT
#5321
On March 18 2015 23:20 marvellosity wrote:
yeah.

kinda ironic also, because the reason I pushed for ritoky d2 is that he didn't vote for jat when he should have.

yes.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 18 2015 14:29 GMT
#5323
but...
Vote Count:

ritoky (7): marvellosity, LightningStrike, Koshi, raynpelikoneet, Damdred, Eden1892, prplhz
prplhz (2): Onegu, ritoky
raynpelikoneet (1): Palmar


Currently ritoky is set to be disciplined!
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 18 2015 14:36 GMT
#5326
On March 18 2015 23:34 marvellosity wrote:
I just got to his vote on his filter.

It was a "fuck it, no-one is listening to me" vote. So maybe that's plausible?

I did notice that Eden didn't once address the points I brought against ritoky. Like sure they were wrong (in the end) but surely they were worth addressing (especially given Eden's previous comments about ritoky).

Does Eden look like a "fuck it noone is listening to me" kinda guy based on his play?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 18 2015 14:41 GMT
#5329
Like i said before Eden really reminds me of myself a couple years ago.
And i know this type of play, if you are town you'd rather lynch yourself over someone you think is town just to show people they are bad regardless of if you are right or wrong. Like all the elements are there. But the final stance is missing.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 18 2015 14:50 GMT
#5332
On March 17 2015 01:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Eden:
This is from his D1 reads. I don't agree with it at all.
Show nested quote +
(5) I think prplhz is town. Again I could be sleeping on his mafia game and/or misremembering things here, but despite not really paying any attention to Titanic I remember thinking he was vaguely suspicious, and (iirc) he was mafia there. Here I see him very blatantly trying to be productive, which I don't remember from Titanic. I like his questioning me about my vote on JAT for example, even though I have no intention of playing ball about it right now

I don't think he evfer explains why prplhz seems "productive", especially more productive than he was in Titanic. Elaboration would be nice. The answer is not "because he questioned my vote on JAT" because that post was obviously questionable.
Meh, Eden actually tried real hard to get ritokyl lynched with his scumread JAT. I don't really how he goes from JAT being his top scumread to ritoky on D1. Because of something JAT said? There should be quite much natural resistance against when your top scumread makes a case on someone upon being lynched. Unless the case is really good, which clearly was not the point here as the case was "ritoky is not playing". I don't think that is a good enough case to trust in Eden's situation here, as itis an obvious case to make for mafia!JAT.
I also do not understand how Eden goes from "ritoky is the best lynch, if not D1 i am lynching him D2" into "I'm not bragging on JAT cause I wavered but I am totally pushing my credit for Damdred if he flips scum. We should sheep my case on him tomorrow"
into -> "Damdred is my best pick. After that it's probably Onegu. That's all I got right now".
... Like i know ritoky was town and all that shit but this is just not natural. Because either Eden (from town perspective) didn't give a fuck if he lynches a townie or mafia on D1 if he thinks exactly one of JAT/ritoky is scum, or he thought both of them are scum, which makes this even more scummy.
Furthermore in his reads list on N1 he gives all the reasons for ritoky to be mafia in this instance, and ends up in a conclusion "ritoky is town"?!?!?!
Show nested quote +
ritoky is probably town on further reflection. There seemed to be a brief window where the lynch was in question, with ray, ritoky and JAT as the three wagons. JAT was very animated about getting people who weren't committed against him or ray to vote for ritoky over him. I think it was Koshi who called it the "time when JAT had hope" of not being lynched, and he spent an awful lot of it trying to get ritoky lynched. The catch here is that JAT is the better scumsided player compared to ritoky pretty easily, and I'd think that in most cases a given scumteam would rather sac ritoky to save JAT than the reverse. (No offense ritoky, it's not that you're bad, it's that JAT has arguably the best scumside game of anyone currently active on TL Mafia.) So JAT busing isn't out of the question. And it's not like ritoky has played a scintillating obvtown game either. But the reason this is more likely town is simple - if the mafia team had decided to bus (which, if they're both mafia, JAT pushing ritoky hard = bus), why didn't ritoky push to get JAT lynched? It's too glaring an inconsistency to ignore, so I think ritoky is probably town.


I still don't like his reaction to Palmar's vigi claim. Maybe i am wrong on this and it does not mean anything but i have seen manyu times scum say something to give out they have extra information they should not. Two examples:
- that game where i claimed masons with SL's scumbuddy. After the reaction i got i was like "yeah these two guys are definitely mafia together" but than i was retarded and dumped it because it sounded too easy.
- one game where i claimed mafia had tried to see if i was their traitor (in the game if mafia incorrectly guesses who the traitor is that townie will know mafia has tried to guess them), i got "lol they did not guess you" -> ezpz traitor read, dumb town never lynched him obviously...
I don't know if i am reading too much into this and it bothers me because i KNOW i have been right on this kinda stuff before. But everyone seems to be disagreeing with me as "rsoultin was Eden's top town read yadda yadda" whatever he gave as an explanation. I just do not see why he would make that post, ever, as town.

At some point on D2 he goes from hardcore scumreading Damdred and Onegu to this:
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On March 15 2015 03:33 Eden1892 wrote:
^^^^ i am serious about palmarv team though. or at least one part of it:

##VOTE: Palmar

this guy isn't figuring the game out and hardclaimed cop with an inno on ray claiming to believe ray was godfather. like lol pls. and i think damdred is incorrect to say that palmar has been trolling a lot; he has been trollish to an extent but it's actually a lot less pervasive than i remember from his town games. i'm also not sure that him not pushing lynches super-hard indicates town, because he tends to lock in on a target VERY decisively as town (see Hammertime Mafia for a recent example).

i'm not sure who the partner would be. marv comes to mind, i don't feel the same level of investment that i've come to expect from town!marv, but i also feel like his interaction with jat is uncharacteristic of his mafia game. i think everyone damdred townread before his final 4 is probably town, and mostly for the reasons damdred said, to boot

my issue is that i like onegu AND ritoky for town :/ i'm not writing off damdred but he's not my lynch today.

maybe another day will help sort this out? but palmar has to go imo

I don't even know why?? He never explains why Damdred is no more mafia. He never explains why Onegu is no more mafia, he just "doesn't even care about Onegu" anymore. Maybe it's the dumb VT claim, which, again, has been there for fucking ages.
Well okay, he explains them later. So Damdred did this AtE thing and Onegu claimed VT. rofl. Those things are really easy to do as mafia, rage, or write some words. Fuck i don't know, maybe Eden iss town after all it seems consistent with his line of thinking during the game regarding other things....

idk, someone help me out here? I really don't know what to think of this. This kinda reminds me of myself when i started playing mafia but way worse. It seems like Eden does shit for no reason and changes his mind for no reason. I know he is a hardcore busser. So he probably has balls to say whatever shit he evercomes up with as mafia. I don't care about meta here, i want to understand why Eden does these things if he is town because i refuse just believe someone is incapable of doing irrational things as mafia....

answer please.

that being said i am going to shop for groceries. be right back.
marv i recommend: https://soundcloud.com/mikhail-garrievitch-soumar/
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 18 2015 15:25 GMT
#5339
Well you don't actually explain why you do any of those thigs....
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 18 2015 15:29 GMT
#5341
But that post says "see i don't do those things as mafia, i do them as town"...
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 18 2015 15:59 GMT
#5345
Eden i am being honest with you here.

I could not care less about what you usually do as town or as mafia. I see inconsistencies in your play and i want you to explain them with something else than "i don't do that as mafia". I want you to tell why you say the stuff you do in this game because it doesn't make any fucking sense to me why you go from one place to another unless you are scum.

So please, if you are town, do that.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 18 2015 16:01 GMT
#5347
Palmar who is mafia and why?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 18 2015 16:06 GMT
#5350
So what have you been doing since the phase change then?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 18 2015 16:13 GMT
#5357
but i want you to play and say smart stuff.
no laziness approved now Palmar.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 18 2015 16:18 GMT
#5361
I am going to fucking hate this town for being lazy if we lose this game...
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 18 2015 16:29 GMT
#5371
...and this is why we need people talking. Especially palmar/eden/prplhz.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 18 2015 16:33 GMT
#5372
On March 19 2015 01:20 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2015 01:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am going to fucking hate this town for being lazy if we lose this game...

There is no way this town loses for being lazy rayn, stop being overdramatic.

I know something about town losing because lazy. I felt it pretty hard in Desert Mini where yamato decided to fuck off for three days, then Snodude decided he would not read anything any more and that yamato is mafia and then Onegu just coasted to victory. Or the Golden Sun game where Oats just decided to not play the game and call something retarded mafia so i had to vote for him because he would never change his vote and the only way for me to win the game was to believe he was mafia.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 18 2015 16:37 GMT
#5374
then say something.
like i can't believe neither of you three fail to do anything without being prodded to do something.
it's really BS.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 18 2015 16:57 GMT
#5376
Yeah here is one thing:
On March 17 2015 07:01 Palmar wrote:
Also, I don't want to kill onegu unless I'm sure, because I know if I don't hit mafia today, I'm 100% fucked because of massive lynch inertia.

I, more than anyone else, need a mafia lynch today.

and i don't think you cared that much about lynching mafia.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 18 2015 17:00 GMT
#5377
Like Palmar. From your D3 i read it looks like you are trying to make marv contribute. Okay that's fine. When he doesn't work like you want him to you start..idk.. try to convince him he is mafia? Then you vote for him while saying he is a wildcard and Onegu is mafia, when marv is lynching Onegu....

I can't understand this.
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