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.##vote holyflare Defense thyself | ||
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Will you join me on this hf attack force | ||
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However sirens response is bad | ||
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Tormented town for mindmeld | ||
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On March 06 2015 09:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: How did Tormented mindmeld with you captain fail? He saw the same thing with sorrens post I did. | ||
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It's somewhat a meta read or familiarity with his Scum game granted. But it is string for him | ||
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Right now I have Hf Rayn Tormented As town not bad so far | ||
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I know tormented meta and it's not to buddy up or act somewhat aggressive in the first couple hours of the game. Also you are making good points even though you are wrong so I like you regardless | ||
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On March 06 2015 10:16 Holyflare wrote: care to explain why you put me as town when i've not particularly done anything at all? Sure, I like your tone you told people to leave soren alone for a moment instead of s allowing us to pile on him. You are also letting the thread do its thing and give you information instead of forcing the thread where you want it to go. | ||
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Town list: Your mom HF Rayn Yamato Tormented And i'm not sure what to make about kel here, some of his arguments are a bit backwards but i'm not sure that makes him mafia here. | ||
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what I meant was why should I town read someone because they got defended by someone who i'm town reading currently. | ||
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Your trying to split hairs | ||
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On March 06 2015 23:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: You are right it doesn't, but you read Holyflare town and that was one of your reasons. I can read someone as town for an action that they do or a combination of things. People can scum defend and be still town read to how they approach things, they could defend town. soren is null made a few bad posts hes a newb here what I see as bad can be newb. | ||
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On March 06 2015 23:22 KelsierSC wrote: Like a few people have called my entrance bad and my.reads backwards but I haven't seen a single decent point against them. Its like"well this guy is scummy so why isn't this guy" stupid shit like that. Ym said something like "waiting for ksc terrible entrance" then proceeded to call mh entrance terrible because and trying to immediately throw scum on me Honestly I like the work you put in to start the game with, I just hate the parts about me honestly. You took a path that wasn't going down just seemed at points you didn't read a few things or misconstrued things at a point. | ||
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On March 06 2015 23:26 KelsierSC wrote: Well you townread hf because he wasn't pushing the thread his way but the games ive played with hf as town he like bullies the thread to go his way. Not always, I've noticed some things that HF has done as scum that indicate what he did earlier comes more from a town hf than scum hf. And it just depends, I've seen town HF be more laid back earlier letting the thread develop and bully later after more things have happened and the reverse as scum. | ||
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On March 06 2015 23:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: One of the reasons you read Holyflare town for was "I like your tone you told people to leave soren alone for a moment instead of s allowing us to pile on him." If you do not think Soren is town your read on Holyflare does not make any sense because if they are both mafia he would be protecting his scumbuddy from being attacked, which should be a concern for you. How much mafia have you played? How many games approx? You make it seem like that is the only reason I townread HF when I gave more than one reason at that point. Also your second point isn't necessarily true at all, I in no way said that soren isn't town and I didn't say he isn't scum hes a null newb who made bad posts. And HF is a busser rayn he doesn't defend a floundering partner don't give me that crap | ||
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On March 06 2015 23:33 KelsierSC wrote: What things specifically make him more town than scum? Tone, how hes interacting in the thread currently | ||
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On March 06 2015 23:52 KelsierSC wrote: Who is the low hanging fruit? Specifically? me probably kel? I don't think VE is low hanging fruit | ||
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He's really jumpy his reads are interesting, rayn mafia noe rayn top town in a very small space. Then hr basically becomes rayns hype man it feels like. Kind of weird. | ||
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Firstly I disagree with what you disagreed with me on. For example he feeds into Rayn a bit that Kel is mafia at one point he even says "Oh rayn will get you" basically, he tries to get Rayn really on a roll tunneled on Kel when he was unable to fully get Rayn focused on me. He in fact said several times Captain should be the one voted off today, but when it was obviousy rayn was going on kel he switched to go along with thread sentiment at that moment and pushed Rayn little by little in that direction. Does that specifically make him mafia? Maybe, I think it makes him scummy in my eyes for sure. Also your case on HF is mostly weak, I think the strongest point is him backing off of the scum read. I can remember him doing something similar to Damdred in Linux mafia and claim its to get conversation started, so you do have a point there. The rest i'm not so sure yet nor do I know if HF should be the lynch today. But i'm willing to listen and reread him and what you have to say about it. | ||
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On March 07 2015 11:29 GlowingBear wrote: Here is where I'm at right now, in order: Yamato Rayn Kelsier Torment Soren Captain Fail VE your mom Mocsta Robik Holyflate Also why do you not have ocsta red on this list when you just called him mafia a page or two ago? | ||
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Why did you make the point about VE saying MM is dripping scum but shifts to you effortlessly but you have him above Your mom mocsta and the like and you never really bring any conclussions of that just kind of throw it out there. Why is your mom so far down your list at this point when he was clearely going against one of your top scum reads in Robik? You were going hard against soren why is he so far up the list now? Why Kel so high? Like your list doesn't make sense at all to me? | ||
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you always call hf mafia as well sometimes you are right sometimes not, you also call damdred and robik mafia s ton. But now someone else in the same category you want to give more time to? When you just made this case ok hf when he's guilty of the same thing as ve by your standards. Your big yelling and anger fit at the start of the game is going hard...idk what else to say about that. Your last point id laughable as mafia can easily defend a player for that exact reason and not blink. Honestly this list is horrible and bad reasons, you fall back to scum | ||
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On March 07 2015 12:34 GlowingBear wrote: I've never being able to read VE properly and he hasn't played much with me and he hasn't touched the topic of 180 reads flip with me. I'm not comfortable with reading VE that way. Mafia can easily defend a player to get town cred, yes. Will them do that when there is a free lynch going on? Could be, but less probable. Will a Mafia defend a free mislynch then go against of one of the most vocal and strong players in the thread, one that is somewhat emotional, and that never got suspicion thrown at? Way less probable. Damdy, pls. Not damdred. Also how does what you say here about ve fit with how you read kel? You say previously that kel was right and be has played with you to not scum read you here bit you say the inverse here. Also your whole posting from cute to ranty posts and going to bed sounded angry | ||
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I actually hate your list here GB on people that you would want to lynch, why isn't VE on that list again? I just don't understand what your doing with all of these lists you aren't even really scum reading the lower people it feels like just a lot of policy lynches -_- | ||
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From past experience GB has a really good read on damdred and knows his meta very well, but has me only as a lower tier lynch for bad play. Now if I was Damdred, that would be really mafia indicative. GB would know this but doesn't push this angle or the meta, usually he would harp on this until it was into the ground. So why am I just an outside shot, when its pretty obvious that Rob is town here even if hes over extended? I think GB has a pretty good shot at being scum here | ||
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On March 08 2015 05:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why are you town if not damdred. Like do you think he is superior to you as town? I think damdred has a pretty obvious town meta where hes involved in everything and says smart things. I am neither at this point and if gb thinks i'm damdred why isn't he voting me since I would be playing to his meta? doesn't even push me | ||
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On March 08 2015 05:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: So why are you not saying smart things? I've said a couple of good things like this good point. | ||
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You lynch the scum in front of you not the one down the road. If you think i'm scum, why am I so far down your list? | ||
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On March 08 2015 02:19 GlowingBear wrote: I'm just saying you can simply put the guy under null alignment category, instead of giving him a town pass. Whatever. People I can lynch today: HF Robik MM1 Soren People I may consider lynching today: Captain Fail (uninspiring gameplay) Tormented (lurker policy lynching) Yamato (I thought he is town for gut feeling mostly, now I am reconsidering it because he came to the thread just to say he won't be active - also a lurker policy lynching) Maybs Kelsier (if he doesn't step up, but I would prefer to give him a pass since he had some townie traits in his filter. Also lurker policy lynching) That's it. Is this still the most updated one? still pretty secure in this? | ||
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You are now voting for your least preferred lynch over the secondary wagon at this time in Soren or tormented who are both above him why | ||
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Meta wise the thing that VE does more than anything is he town hunts early in the game from my experience. He finds his town circle or people he thinks are town and goes about the game using a rough form of POE to shape where he wants to lynch, and a good portion of the time this makes him look extremely towny and puts him in the middle of many discussions. However if you read his filter here, you find that the only real town hunting he has done is town read rayn really early and not much else has been done in that regard, you see that he attacked MM early and it seemed to be sincere in that he wanted people to vote for him. That part is not alignment indicative granted, but past that point VE makes little attempt to interact with a lot of people and has little to no town reads in the game. This brings me to VE list of possible scum and town reads that he has presented to us, On March 07 2015 17:43 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeeeahhhh. I think I'm right about here... VisceraEyes Confirmed raynpelikoneet yamato77 _Tormented_ your mom soren333 IAmRobik Holyflare Obligitory Hard Null captain fail Mocsta GlowingBear MysteryMeat1 KelsierSC OMGUS Good night! This is a very strange list, firstly Rayn has been townread since VEs second or third post and it is documented in the thread. A quick scan of VE filter you will find the only interaction that VE has had with Yamato has been to ask him to play league with him, and this is the first time that we see Yamato in his town circle never a mention of him before this or after this (besides the aforementioned league game). This also brings us to tormented which is a interesting read, I have it myself for meta reasons but he has fallen off quite hard since then and i'm not so sure anymore. However VE has only had one interaction with tormented and that was to tell him to vote MM. Tormented has yet to comment back, VE has these unexplained town reads that make little to no sense in the context of his filter or the thread. He is also not seeming to scum hunt past a certain point, he is voting Kel currently because of OMGUS and is admitted so. However he hasn't really tried to interact with people to try to figure out their alignments be it town or scum, he has this To sum this up, VE is using a vastly different method in which he seems rather distant from the thread to figure out scum, his town reads are pretty much unexplained in the thread no reasoning is shown. Some of them are really strange, his scum reads show no real pressure put to them and VE is happy to just blend his vote in while not being called out for it. He is most likely scum. | ||
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On March 08 2015 07:30 VisceraEyes wrote: Because Kels is leading votes with less than an hour with one person on the wagon AFK. I can vote Tormented or MM1 though, but I think Kels is a fine lynch. Ve willing to vote his townread who he thinks is town for reasons unknown. Scum detected | ||
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Soren did you find the reasoning VE used to townread tormented yet? Also Kel isn't mafia because of activity. If you look at his other games, hes a bit posty as mafia in the few games I've seen. Besides when he got hospitalized obviously, I don't think this is his scum game if it is something probably happened to him or something idk. | ||
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I'm not at any point being biased no where in my post did I say that I think you over kel when I talked about his meta, I said I dont' think that this is kels scum game | ||
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KelsierSC (5): Raynpelikoneet, Mocsta, VisceraEyes, Soren333, your mom Torment (1): Holyflare VisceraEyes (1): Captain Fail Soren333 (2): GlowingBear, MysteryMeat1, not voting (3): KelsierSC _Tormented_ yamato77 Currently KelsierSC is set to be lynched with 5 votes Deadline is in 0m 0s. Remember to vote in the voting thread! Why did you move your vote again GB? Obviously can't take much from that I suppose, soren could be mafia here or town however the vote with robik in it is much more interesting. Vote Count: glowingbear (1): Soren333, HolyFlare, VisceraEyes, your mom raynpelikoneet mocsta (0): your mom raynpelikoneet (0): Mocsta mysterymeat (0): visceraeyes VisceraEyes (0): your mom Captain_Fail (0): Mocsta KelsierSC (4): Raynpelikoneet, Mocsta, VisceraEyes, IamRobik iamrobik (4): yamato77, Holyflare, your mom, Glowingbear, your mom Holyflare (0): GlowingBear Soren33 (0): your mom GB was the main push to get more people on robik, and it kinda felt like gb was trying to get rob to modkill himself. Robik probably could of been lynched at this point over kel. Any thoughts? | ||
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