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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
Trfel (4): rsoultin, VayneAuthority (1): IAmRobik, Oatsmaster (1): VayneAuthority IAmRobik (1): Oatsmaster rsoultin (0): Not voted (6): Onegu, Alakaslam, ritoky, Superbia, KelsierSC, Trfel As it currently stands, Trfel is slated to be deported. The voting thread is located here. Countdown: | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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Trfel
7015 Posts
My voting had two goals: pressure rsoultin into playing the game properly, and provide something serious for people to talk about. I believe that both goals have been met. My first post was somewhat ambiguously worded. This was intentional, to get an additional read on rsoultin. I generally doubt my reads a ton, and rsoultin is aware of this: On February 18 2015 08:59 rsoultin wrote: However, rsoultin responds as follows:If this is Truffle's scum game, he's improved by a mile. So I doubt it is. The work he's been putting in is classic town!Trfel, and he's also normally riddled with doubts. The naysayer, if you will, even on his own cases xP On February 27 2015 14:26 rsoultin wrote: Sarcastic and dismissive. This is what I would expect from mafia!rsoultin who sees a weakly worded suspicion of her. In contrast, I do not know specifically what town!rsoultin would do in this situation, but I don't think she would directly attack my suspicions. That is the easy way out, but town!rsoultin knows better.Truffle's post: + Show Spoiler + On February 27 2015 14:05 Trfel wrote: Hi. I'm going to head to sleep now, but I figured I would share some thoughts first. First, this is obviously a post restricted game, and I intend to do my best to use my posts effectively. At times, this can mean communicating my thoughts through the voting thread (see my vote and later unvote on rsoultin). I feel that my reasons for both of these actions were obvious, though I do intend to explain. My real question is, where does the nonsense end and the game start? I feel like there has been a lot more opening nonsense this game than in most, and this game is the one with post restrictions. Here's the reasons for my suspicions of rsoultin. I can understand wasting posts at the start of the game, but the post wasting continued for quite some time. Rsoultin's posts felt like they came later, more of as an afterthought, while it was after the point that nonsense posts had any value in at least starting the conversation. By the time rsoultin first posted, we had Robik wasting five posts, VayneAuthority voting for Oatsmaster, two vanilla town claims, and a cop claim. Plenty of random things to start the game, no more is needed. And then comes this wonderful post.Rsoultin isn't saying anything at all here, and she isn't making a joke or an interesting comment. "Rolling around the thread" and discussing happiness feels a bit out of place, though I'm bad at tone reads. My point is that I expect rsoultin to be sensible enough to conserve posts to some degree, and I don't see that here. Thus, my vote communicated the simple message of "step it up and play the game". Rsoultin shared a small number of game-related thoughts, and I removed my vote for now. I know that many people have made useless posts, I just think rsoultin looks more suspicious for it because she is sensible enough not to and she started doing so well after everyone else did. I am very interested to see where rsoultin goes from here. Thoughts? First: lamesauce. There was perhaps one post since I entered the thread that didn't have a particular purpose, and newsflash: the one you quoted wasn't it. I'm not going to translate myself for y'all, but you're free to ask me what I'm on about if you like. That's the more townie way of going about things  Second: Out of all the things going on in the thread, this is what you choose to talk about? Third: 60 posts a day phase. 60. You can't take two for votes and unvotes? You have to wait for Oats and I to vote you first before you can be bothered to explain yourself, instead thinking we'll read your mind? lol that's rich Fourth: Don't think I'm not aware that you're scared of me catching you when you roll scum. My Trfel BS-dar is particularly good So you going out of your way not to say a word is very suspicious Truffle-wuffle.Fifth: If you don't like the direction of the thread, shouldn't you be in here guiding it rather than lurking and casting votes without explanations? You know, that other townie thing players do as town? Conclusion: I like my vote where it stands right now ^^ If you can't figure out why people would want to know how you arrived at your reads (here's a clue: it has to do with determining alignments for two players) then there's no hope for you, Oats xP While the points that rsoultin makes are all true, rsoultin knows how I play better than this, so I don't think that town!rsoultin would respond in this manner. Yes, it's a meta read, but rsoultin has played in almost all, if not all, of the games that I have played in. I'm not saying that I am upset that people have been spamming and wasting posts. I don't have any control of how anyone chooses to use their posts. My point is that after the very start of the game, wasting posts has a mafia motivation of appearing active, creating confusion, and more quickly hitting the post limit so you "can't" provide thoughts later in the game. And after the foundation of wasted posts has been set, further wasted posts have only the potential town motivation of posting for the sake of posting. Based on what I know of rsoultin's play, and how rsoultin was one of the later players to start wasting a moderate number of posts, I feel that the way rsoultin wasted posts was suspicious while I don't feel the same for other players. However, looking at rsoultin's play after this post, she seems to have begun actually playing the game. And this is another reason for me to unvote. In my last game, I eventually lost town the game at 3 player LYLO because I was twice tunneled on town targets and failed to see the bigger picture. Even though I am suspicious of rsoultin here, it is very possible that she is town, and I refuse to let myself tunnel someone to death when it is avoidable. Therefore, I leave a moderate suspicion of rsoultin, and will carefully watch what she does when she plays the game more seriously. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On February 27 2015 15:44 IAmRobik wrote: WHY DOES SOMEONE DO THAT FOR 22 FUCKING MINUTES!??!?! JESUS FUCKING CHRIST It's asmr Most of the comments ask for longer | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On February 28 2015 01:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: There is, you can find it here.Trfel is there a game on TL you have played as mafia and if there is where can i find it? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
Like here, now, you have said the same thing two times and both of the times the post says "i did something to poke rsoultin to get an alignment indicative reaction form her, but i don't know if what she said is scummy or not". You point out a lot stuff that in your opinion is scummy, but they do not end up in a scumread, in fact they don't end up in any kind of read and tbh this part of your post: While the points that rsoultin makes are all true, rsoultin knows how I play better than this, so I don't think that town!rsoultin would respond in this manner. Yes, it's a meta read, but rsoultin has played in almost all, if not all, of the games that I have played in. .. is what mafia says when they are caught. You are literally saying "i did a scummy thing and noone should call me scum for it because it was intentional". | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On February 28 2015 01:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not saying anything about my own alignment. What I am saying is that I am moderately suspicious of rsoultin, and I am explaining why I feel this way.The problem Trfel is, as town you have reads, as mafia you don't. Like here, now, you have said the same thing two times and both of the times the post says "i did something to poke rsoultin to get an alignment indicative reaction form her, but i don't know if what she said is scummy or not". You point out a lot stuff that in your opinion is scummy, but they do not end up in a scumread, in fact they don't end up in any kind of read and tbh this part of your post: .. is what mafia says when they are caught. You are literally saying "i did a scummy thing and noone should call me scum for it because it was intentional". I suppose I ought to ask, what exactly would you consider to be a scumread? I've generally only used the term for people I would be relatively happy to lynch at that very moment, and it would be silly for me to apply that level of certainty to a read less than halfway through Day 1. Comparing KelsierSC's play in this game to his town play in VII Titanic and his scum play in Carol of the Bells, I would give KelsierSC a slight town read this game. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Rsoul is scummy but townie at the same time. And the meta read is like super weird. The reason why I voted trefel is because rsoul voted trefel and I was like, WHY NOT!?? | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On February 28 2015 01:54 Oatsmaster wrote: There is nothing this game that rsoultin has done that is townie so far. I am sure I did not say that anything that rsoultin has done is townie.yeah pretty much trefel says, Rsoul is scummy but townie at the same time. And the meta read is like super weird. The reason why I voted trefel is because rsoul voted trefel and I was like, WHY NOT!?? What I am saying is that there is still a distinct possibility that rsoultin is town, and therefore I do not have an extremely confident read less than halfway through Day 1. I am suspicious of rsoultin because of the meta read that I provided. I believe that is rather clear. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
However, looking at rsoultin's play after this post, she seems to have begun actually playing the game. And this is another reason for me to unvote. In my last game, I eventually lost town the game at 3 player LYLO because I was twice tunneled on town targets and failed to see the bigger picture. Why would mafia rsoultin make that post? I dont see any evidence in your previous post except that "she will do this as mafia because she knows better as town" Thats not evidence, thats not even a meta read. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
1) You intentionally worded one of your posts poorly to get a reaction from rsoultin 2) rsoultin gives a reaction 3) you seem to be having no idea what this reaction means This, to me, sound unbelievable because when you do a reaction test you are supposed to have a clue of what whichever answer the target gives means. There is literally no point in doing such things if you can't get anything out of it (as you now claim). Which leads me to believe you actually did this: 1) you made a terrible opening 2) rsoultin caught you 3) you are now in damage control mode and changing your story which means mafia. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On February 28 2015 02:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: Trfel (and everyone else) i am trying to thin what you did and why you did what you did assuming you are town which would mean your explanation is legit and not bullshit. So here is what you said you did: 1) You intentionally worded one of your posts poorly to get a reaction from rsoultin 2) rsoultin gives a reaction 3) you seem to be having no idea what this reaction means This, to me, sound unbelievable because when you do a reaction test you are supposed to have a clue of what whichever answer the target gives means. There is literally no point in doing such things if you can't get anything out of it (as you now claim). Which leads me to believe you actually did this: 1) you made a terrible opening 2) rsoultin caught you 3) you are now in damage control mode and changing your story which means mafia. This is the kind of stuff I find reliable about you rayn. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
My opening post was not entirely a reaction test. The wording slightly served that purpose, but it still communicated the point that I was suspicious of rsoultin and showed why I was doing so. My story has never changed in the slightest. As for the reaction itself, I already showed why I see it as being more likely to come from mafia!rsoultin than town!rsoultin. And I clearly stated that. I knew what I was looking for as I made the post, and I found it, and I have a conclusion. That does not mean that I have 100% confidence in my conclusion, but it is something else to use. I do not understand why everyone seems to expect 100% confidence in my reads. On February 28 2015 02:02 Oatsmaster wrote: This post is nonsense. First, the portion of my post that you quoted is not at all relevant to the comments after. Second, yet again I discussed this point very clearly. Allow me to quote myself:Why would mafia rsoultin make that post? I dont see any evidence in your previous post except that "she will do this as mafia because she knows better as town" Thats not evidence, thats not even a meta read. On February 28 2015 00:57 Trfel wrote: My point is that after the very start of the game, wasting posts has a mafia motivation of appearing active, creating confusion, and more quickly hitting the post limit so you "can't" provide thoughts later in the game. And after the foundation of wasted posts has been set, further wasted posts have only the potential town motivation of posting for the sake of posting. I have made a consistent point throughout all of my posts. I often suffer from not being clear enough in my reads, and this game is no exception. By this point, I have made my stance and my reasoning extremely clear. I don't necessarily expect people to agree with me, but I do expect people to read what I am saying, which would show a clear stance on rsoultin across all of my posts. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
I do not understand why everyone seems to expect 100% confidence in my reads. Nobody is expecting 100% confidence but your job as town is to lynch mafia and you are not even voting foryour only scumread in the game. You have said you think she is scummy but your posting doesn't really follow that thought because every other sentence is basically "she could be town aswell". You are not pressuring her into giving more info on her alignment. You apparently have no other scumreads. So if you are not confident that rsoultin is mafia to even vote for her why are you not trying to pressure her and/or why are you not trying to find other mafia? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
If you're town, please prove it to me. I'm not going to pick apart your post, primarily because it's being done for me, and I'm also aware that some of the departure from what I expect out of town!Trfel may well be because you're attempting to use your vote for a wider range of purposes and because you were told it can help to include meta in your play. Suffice it to say that thus far your explanations have not impressed me. @rayn I like where your head's at this game. I understand you were miffed from last game and may not want to give reasons for your reads, but where did the Onegu scum-lean come from? I have him as null right now. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On February 28 2015 02:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: Nobody is expecting 100% confidence but your job as town is to lynch mafia and you are not even voting foryour only scumread in the game. You have said you think she is scummy but your posting doesn't really follow that thought because every other sentence is basically "she could be town aswell". You are not pressuring her into giving more info on her alignment. You apparently have no other scumreads. So if you are not confident that rsoultin is mafia to even vote for her why are you not trying to pressure her and/or why are you not trying to find other mafia? On February 28 2015 02:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: I will talk about this one last time.And btw your "consistent" points are obvious, everyone should know those things. Lurking is bad, wasting posts is bad, bla bla who cares? Everyone knows this shit. I already stated why I am not voting for my only suspect, it is because I want to ensure that I do not tunnel and I want to give rsoultin a chance to play the game properly first. For now, my pressure vote has served its purpose. I do not see the purpose of voting for rsoultin at this time, now that she is actually playing the game, I will wait to see what she comes up with. All of these statements are easily supported by quotes in my filter. I have been trying to find the other mafia, I have taken a look at several players and have been trying to use meta to wade through the mess in this game. That is why I feel that KelsierSC is probably town. Unfortunately, my tone reads aren't that good, so I'm having some trouble making a bunch of good reads. I have shared what are (in my opinion, clearly not in everyone else's opinion) my two solid reads. The consistency throughout my posts is not that wasting posts is bad, but that I am suspicious of rsoultin for her early posting. There is a big difference. | ||
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IAmRobik
United States5878 Posts
On February 27 2015 22:28 prplhz wrote: 3 The part of his post where I think he is saying just that is the following part: And I am kind of piling on. Your point on Trfel was alright, rsoultin had something in there I understood too. I think I see where you and Oatsmaster and raynpelikoneet are coming from, but I think this is an important point too. I don't think any townie should really think that this game is so much more full of nonsense than other games that they'd feel the need to point it out. Like, I'm usually the guy who is the most easily annoyed by people messing around doing nothing and I didn't think it was happening. I also think it's weird that IAmRobik didn't vote Trfel. This Trfel post seems like a post IAmRobik would vote Trfel for. IAmRobik has been around to comment on Alakaslam's weird zen garden video, why didn't he throw a vote at Trfel at the same occasion? that would require me to read posts over 50 words. | ||
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IAmRobik
United States5878 Posts
On February 27 2015 18:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oats is weird. There is no statement more true in the history of mafia. I hate when people say "weird" because it's not a real read, but oats post basically saying "wtf va...vote robik" was just so mindblowingly dumb that I don't know if he's mafia or if he's the cop. | ||
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