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On February 26 2015 07:58 _Tormented_ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2015 07:56 KelsierSC wrote:On February 26 2015 07:53 _Tormented_ wrote:
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I agree about snarf's post and I agree with his lynch, even if nothing will come of it. what do you like about his post? that he called artanis and me mafia? I have backed off on you being mafia as I think you have very valid points about Sl, but I am not ready to fully commit to voting him yet. Artanis I believe was just trying to railroad the new player. He provided very little else until yamato switched his vote away from me, which caused him to get upset and eventually end up voting him. Something just doesn't seem right about that.
well...snarf just said he didnt want to lynch me.
so I don't really know if you even read what he wrote.
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On February 26 2015 07:59 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2015 07:44 KelsierSC wrote:Furthermore when I questioned him about artanis he said this. On February 26 2015 03:12 sicklucker wrote:
Basically artanis is saying I try as hard when im scum which is true. He questions your scum read because im not really trying Firstly, this isn't what Artanis said at all. The second thing is that the way SL twisted it was to make Artanis look better? Like if someone lies about me why am I trying to help cover their lie. probably because most people were town reading Artanis, or he knows Artanis is town and doesn't want to call him mafia. This is what Artanis said "Why does scum sicklucker not give as much of a shit as town sicklucker in this position? From what I recall him saying he actively tries to be unreadable by not giving as much of a shit in general as town when it isn't necessary." Which sounds the same as SL not trying when he is town? Am I missing something KSC?
it doesn't sound the same.
he said he tries to be unreadable.. so why does SL make pains to point to a post that he says is "the best post/very towny"
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On February 26 2015 08:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2015 08:00 KelsierSC wrote:On February 26 2015 07:59 Probulous wrote:On February 26 2015 07:44 KelsierSC wrote:Furthermore when I questioned him about artanis he said this. On February 26 2015 03:12 sicklucker wrote:
Basically artanis is saying I try as hard when im scum which is true. He questions your scum read because im not really trying Firstly, this isn't what Artanis said at all. The second thing is that the way SL twisted it was to make Artanis look better? Like if someone lies about me why am I trying to help cover their lie. probably because most people were town reading Artanis, or he knows Artanis is town and doesn't want to call him mafia. This is what Artanis said "Why does scum sicklucker not give as much of a shit as town sicklucker in this position? From what I recall him saying he actively tries to be unreadable by not giving as much of a shit in general as town when it isn't necessary." Which sounds the same as SL not trying when he is town? Am I missing something KSC? it doesn't sound the same. he said he tries to be unreadable.. so why does SL make pains to point to a post that he says is "the best post/very towny" I'm not sure on the exact quote but it was something along the lines of him not trying when he feels it isn't necessary to make it easier for him to emulate as either alignment.
oh for fuck sake artanis.
fine
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On February 26 2015 07:59 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2015 07:58 _Tormented_ wrote:On February 26 2015 07:56 KelsierSC wrote:On February 26 2015 07:53 _Tormented_ wrote:
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I agree about snarf's post and I agree with his lynch, even if nothing will come of it. what do you like about his post? that he called artanis and me mafia? I have backed off on you being mafia as I think you have very valid points about Sl, but I am not ready to fully commit to voting him yet. Artanis I believe was just trying to railroad the new player. He provided very little else until yamato switched his vote away from me, which caused him to get upset and eventually end up voting him. Something just doesn't seem right about that. well...snarf just said he didnt want to lynch me. so I don't really know if you even read what he wrote.
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I think wave is town if that is of interest to anyone
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On February 26 2015 08:05 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2015 08:05 KelsierSC wrote:
I think wave is town if that is of interest to anyone reply to my case
I don't think sheeping someone when you are confused is scum sided.
Dunno, I just like him I guess.
His interaction with damdred early on felt pretty good.
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On February 26 2015 08:07 sicklucker wrote:
Give it a rest ksc im not mafia and no ones voting me
I just unvoted you what the fuck are you talking about
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On February 26 2015 08:04 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2015 07:59 KelsierSC wrote:On February 26 2015 07:58 _Tormented_ wrote:On February 26 2015 07:56 KelsierSC wrote:On February 26 2015 07:53 _Tormented_ wrote:
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I agree about snarf's post and I agree with his lynch, even if nothing will come of it. what do you like about his post? that he called artanis and me mafia? I have backed off on you being mafia as I think you have very valid points about Sl, but I am not ready to fully commit to voting him yet. Artanis I believe was just trying to railroad the new player. He provided very little else until yamato switched his vote away from me, which caused him to get upset and eventually end up voting him. Something just doesn't seem right about that. well...snarf just said he didnt want to lynch me. so I don't really know if you even read what he wrote.
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On February 26 2015 08:09 Tronak wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2015 08:07 sicklucker wrote:
Give it a rest ksc im not mafia and no ones voting me Artanis is online now though, so is a perfect time to resolve KSC questions...
apparently what artanis got told is that SL doesn't really try.
not that he tries to hide his alignment.
Artanis misquoted like a donkey so that doesn't contribute to my read anymore.
I dunno, SL is an imbecile but that doesn't make him mafia.
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On February 26 2015 08:11 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2015 08:00 KelsierSC wrote:On February 26 2015 07:59 Probulous wrote:On February 26 2015 07:44 KelsierSC wrote:Furthermore when I questioned him about artanis he said this. On February 26 2015 03:12 sicklucker wrote:
Basically artanis is saying I try as hard when im scum which is true. He questions your scum read because im not really trying Firstly, this isn't what Artanis said at all. The second thing is that the way SL twisted it was to make Artanis look better? Like if someone lies about me why am I trying to help cover their lie. probably because most people were town reading Artanis, or he knows Artanis is town and doesn't want to call him mafia. This is what Artanis said "Why does scum sicklucker not give as much of a shit as town sicklucker in this position? From what I recall him saying he actively tries to be unreadable by not giving as much of a shit in general as town when it isn't necessary." Which sounds the same as SL not trying when he is town? Am I missing something KSC? it doesn't sound the same. he said he tries to be unreadable.. so why does SL make pains to point to a post that he says is "the best post/very towny" Because it was and you using it as an excuse to vote me was scummmy to me.
...you were calling me scummy before I even made that point against you. so I don't really know what you're taking about.
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On February 26 2015 08:04 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2015 07:59 KelsierSC wrote:On February 26 2015 07:58 _Tormented_ wrote:On February 26 2015 07:56 KelsierSC wrote:On February 26 2015 07:53 _Tormented_ wrote:
##unvote
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I agree about snarf's post and I agree with his lynch, even if nothing will come of it. what do you like about his post? that he called artanis and me mafia? I have backed off on you being mafia as I think you have very valid points about Sl, but I am not ready to fully commit to voting him yet. Artanis I believe was just trying to railroad the new player. He provided very little else until yamato switched his vote away from me, which caused him to get upset and eventually end up voting him. Something just doesn't seem right about that. well...snarf just said he didnt want to lynch me. so I don't really know if you even read what he wrote.
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On February 26 2015 08:13 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2015 08:07 KelsierSC wrote:On February 26 2015 08:05 Eden1892 wrote:On February 26 2015 08:05 KelsierSC wrote:
I think wave is town if that is of interest to anyone reply to my case I don't think sheeping someone when you are confused is scum sided. Dunno, I just like him I guess. His interaction with damdred early on felt pretty good. What about the part where he says he has trouble distinguishing between newbie players not playing well and scum, and the part where all his votes and suspects this game besides Damdred have been newbies he hasn't bothered to dig into
yeh well i'm waiting for an answer to that part.
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also tormented slipped and no one seems to be bothering with it but w/e
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sicklucker you can unvote now and actually make a useful vote
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On February 26 2015 08:09 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2015 08:04 KelsierSC wrote:On February 26 2015 07:59 KelsierSC wrote:On February 26 2015 07:58 _Tormented_ wrote:On February 26 2015 07:56 KelsierSC wrote:On February 26 2015 07:53 _Tormented_ wrote:
##unvote
##Vote Artanis
I agree about snarf's post and I agree with his lynch, even if nothing will come of it. what do you like about his post? that he called artanis and me mafia? I have backed off on you being mafia as I think you have very valid points about Sl, but I am not ready to fully commit to voting him yet. Artanis I believe was just trying to railroad the new player. He provided very little else until yamato switched his vote away from me, which caused him to get upset and eventually end up voting him. Something just doesn't seem right about that. well...snarf just said he didnt want to lynch me. so I don't really know if you even read what he wrote.
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On February 26 2015 08:18 Eden1892 wrote:
uh kels pls explain because i'm five
he said he liked snarfs post
I said was it because "he called me and artanis mafia"
tormented carried on like "im not calling you mafia anymore..."
but the thing is snarf didn't actually call me mafia in his post and he didn't want to lynch me.
so tormented didn't even read what snarf wrote.
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hmm nahhhhh I like wave.
It's been an interesting past hour. I liked snarf initially. but since his return he has done a few scummy things.
- He made his points about node, how he couldn't see a town perspective.
- He then said he wanted to vote tormented. when given the choice voted me despite the fact that tormented and node had called me mafia.
- then said artanis was the top lynch despite not really bringing him up.
- said he wasnt sure who artanis was voting.
SO then I like some of the people on the snarf vote wave,artanis, im starting to like yamato, damdred was on their but I'm so convincing he moved.
we have like several possible counter wagons submitted but no one really wants to move off, this feels pretty good to me. like mafia poking for traction. then awesomely whats his torment tries to move off , but he makes up a reason. which makes me feel even better.
Now we have this panic counter wagon attempt on Wave. which I dunno, feels sort of bad.
I want to see this lynch go through because I can almost feel the game right now
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Snarfs Canada. February 25 2015 17:33. Posts 834 Gift TL+ PM Profile Report Quote #
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On February 26 2015 02:29 KelsierSC wrote:
Artanis 's point is that yamatos retraction from torment is unreasonable and possibly Yamato was soft pushing on torment to create seperation between them.
Hmm that makes more sense. I'm still annoyed he didn't try to analyse me at all given the last 12 hours or so.
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Clearly i've been gone too long
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On February 26 2015 02:35 KelsierSC wrote:
Its hard to analyse everyone in the game and go back over them etc.
Assuming node isn't a lynch target..where would you vote.
You can vote me if you want a free town read from SL
But that's as much use as.a third tit
Probably Tormented. I mean, if no one else reads artanis as scum then I'm probably wrong about that as well. And I did think his response to my case was forced.
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On February 26 2015 02:39 Damdred wrote:
Why was his response to your case forced? He went against the grain instead of sheeping or trying to pocket you. Do you think that's more likely to come from town or mafia?
My phones dying but he just didn't even seem to consider my points.
If I had to pick one of those three Kels it's be you.
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Partly because I could see HtS was being wishy washy with reads, partly because I believe it would be a good scum tactic to replace into a game and try to be so spammy that people would town read you for it because why would scum do that? You seem confident enough to try that.
Snarfs Canada. February 25 2015 17:48. Posts 834 Gift TL+ PM Profile Report Quote #
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##vote KelsierSC
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Replying to this post in bold since it seems to sum up your case on me. Let me know if I miss anything.
On February 26 2015 03:28 Damdred wrote:
I stopped pushing it for two seconds waiting on hts to do stuff then kel replaced in theris a bit of a difference I think.
I didn't write a case exactly, and after I said I would back off I still wrote why I think they are scum and pressured kel and eden.
Here we have, someone go I think this person is mafia! A few hours later they give a meta post explaining why they were wrong and they are now town.
However you have pro I think it was say this wasn't the snarf he remembers and he would of went for the throat. Directly after this he comes up with a hard scum read on node when everything he scum read that person for had already happened in the thread before he made the town read.
Kind of embarassing to admit since it (the idea, not the read) seems terrible now, but I thought it'd be really cool if Prob said that and then I could come in and drop a sick scumread and nail someone and everyone would lynch him and I'd be crowned in glory. Prob would be all "yeaaaaaaa" and I'd be all "that's right boys, still got it". So I put my best case together which happened to be Node at the time and I posted it.
Also, not everything had already happened. My third point, which I've tried to make clear I feel is the strongest point, had not happened yet when I gave him a town read.
He then under light pressure and no push to get people to consier node as mafia says hes been gone to long drops it. Says artanis is scummy, drops it after nobody agrees, moves on to say he would lynch tormented. Then votes kel a few seconds later for hts being wishy washy.
A lot of people came into the thread between last night and this morning and essentially either ignored the case or implied it was bad. Not a single person thought I had a single good point. Why would I try to push that?
Kel demanded I vote him, sl or yamato. I think Kel is the most likely scum so fuck it, why not? And I would vote Tormented if he was up for debate, but I actually agree with Kel that we should be deciding on a lynch at this point, not adding more people into the equation.
Its a totally different thing
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On February 26 2015 04:47 KelsierSC wrote:
Seriously does no one do cryptic crosswords. That makes me sad
Wave said he did
On February 26 2015 00:44 WaveofShadow wrote:
Shits really hard. I've tried. You have to know all those tricks and what keywords to look for going in.
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On February 26 2015 04:54 Eden1892 wrote:
I kinda get this Yoda Zen sense that Artanis might be mafia but I'm not even entertaining it seriously unless/until Wave flips scum.
Eden, can you explain this to me please?
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Eden, could you please stop arguing with yamato and explain the Wave/artanis association?
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Let's see... Wave parked a vote on me without actually calling me scum, Kelsier hasn't given a read on me and artanis hasn't given a read on me.
All that seems way more scummy than anything I've done.
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On February 26 2015 06:01 Eden1892 wrote:
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I'd rather not tbh, not a lot of time and it's weak. The gist of it is that Artanis was pretty clearly steering the lynch toward yamato and away from Wave right as I was starting to feel like Wave was the right lynch of the two, and it wasn't convincing. But it's BS unflipped associations until Wave flips scum so I didn't want to waste time on it.
Will you lynch Wave with me today?
Probably but I'd rather lynch artanis.
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On February 26 2015 06:04 yamato77 wrote:
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I mean, look at this stuff.
"you have my sword!!!1!1!"
yet he doesn't vote, and follows it up by asking a puffball question. ugh.
/shrug. I was feeling the Tormented lynch, I agreed with everything you said when you first laid out a case. Who cares if I voted or not, I made it clear I agreed with you.
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On February 26 2015 06:06 KelsierSC wrote:
snarf do you have a strong scum read?
artanis right now is my strongest read. Take it for what you will.
I thought his attack on Tormented was an identical rehash of what both myself and yamato said at pretty much the same time.
I asked people about him and he called me out for asking people about him, but then never bothered to check my filter or try to determine my alignment.
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On February 26 2015 06:07 Eden1892 wrote:
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...ok, that's actually pretty sensible. I don't agree with your reading him as insincere though. Call me a sucker I guess but I really don't see what he's done that is improbably town. If we just accept that he's not the best townie by TL mafia standards then most of this pretty much disappears tbh.
I really need you to tell me why you're so sure Wave is town though before I can consider going anywhere else today.
@Snarfs lol no I'm probably not lynching Artanis today. I'm not all that suspicious of him and I don't think there's any traction for that. I really think it has to be Wave
I got excited when both yamato and I said the same thing about Tormented at the same time. Hence the sword comment.
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On February 26 2015 06:10 KelsierSC wrote:
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Didn't you say you wanted to lynch tormented though when I asked you though?
Probably. I still do want to lynch Tormented. And yes, I get that probably him and artanis are not scum together. But I don't know which one is. At this point, with artanis admitting to not even trying to read me, I'd rather lynch artanis.
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On February 26 2015 06:15 yamato77 wrote:
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Really doesn't mean much tbh
I have meta reasons but I don't feel like quoting all the stuff I read from his previous games.
He's playing how he plays as mafia. As town he's much more direct.
lol. I've changed in 2 years, I'll give you that.
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On February 26 2015 06:23 Eden1892 wrote:
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Now you sound like you're agreeing with yamato's read that your tone/etc. is different from your past town games. Without giving a big life spiel or anything, how would you say you changed such that your game is impacted this way?
I'm having a lot more fun this game. I'm way more relaxed than I would have been as town OR mafia. Sure, maybe it makes me a worse town player, but at least I don't want to shoot myself every time I'm wrong about something.
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Eh fuck it
##Vote: artanis[xp]
At least my vote's on someone I think is mafia.
I don't like Wave, yamato, or Kelsier as lynches. They've been some of the most active people in the thread for the last 24 hours. Plus I was townreading Wave and yamato early on. Kelsier has been a lot better today than a lot of other people, which is unfortunate if he's mafia, but completely town's own fault.
I don't know why sicklucker town read me but I don't think it makes him mafia. He was super nonchalant about it, like I believed he believed it. Especially since it was for... not the best reasoning. I think mafia would try to provide a reason.
I've followed Eden's thought process just fine and she/he has no real reason to not lynch me.
The Shining is playing like she/he just finished reading Ace's mafia manifesto, which looks like how she/he played her last mafia game. I.E. Do as little as possible to not get lynched. (reminds me of when I nailed Ace for doing exactly this /nostalgiatear). I'd lynch the fuck out of her.
Tornak and Tormented are 'eh', to steal yamato's phrase. Could be mafia in one of them but Tornak is so sweet and innocent and calls me Scarfs which is so cute I couldn't possibly lynch him. Tormented... eh. Still think he could be mafia, but if artanis is, then he probably isn't.
Damdred, probably town. Though his waiting for Tormented to make a case on me before deciding himself has points against him.
Probulous... not sure. He's done his giant reads posts in the past in order to make himself towny. I think he falls off a bit though if he's mafia so I'd give him a pass for now.
Eden... dunno. Seems intelligent, which means hard to read.
Node has only Wave's point going for him, which is 'why would mafia say something so dumb'. But if you've been around awhile, maybe as mafia you just post whatever you want and let people think exactly like Wave does. I'd still lynch him.
So ya, artanis, The Shining, maybe Tormented, maybe Node.
Unfortunately in that list, only Tormented had pressure of any sorts on them. That's where I stand.
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