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snarf do you have a strong scum read?
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the vote count isnt right because wave isnt voting anyone yet either.
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On February 26 2015 06:08 Snarfs wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2015 06:06 KelsierSC wrote:
snarf do you have a strong scum read?
artanis right now is my strongest read. Take it for what you will. I thought his attack on Tormented was an identical rehash of what both myself and yamato said at pretty much the same time. I asked people about him and he called me out for asking people about him, but then never bothered to check my filter or try to determine my alignment.
Didn't you say you wanted to lynch tormented though when I asked you though?
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SL disappeared again without doing anything cool.
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Yamato can you explain this process to me.
So your main scum read was Tormented right, who is voting on snarfs with you. Ok I can let that go if you have like a sudden reason to town read tormented.
Your reason to townread tormented is
On February 26 2015 03:15 yamato77 wrote:
I like damdred's posts about Snarfs. Dude has been seriously fishy this whole game.
For one, I'm pretty sure Node is town. For two, the way he's sort of just landed on Kels makes me highly suspicious. If someone has to bait you into voting them, it looks bad.
Kelsier looks a lot better now than when I initially voted him. Snarfs looks worse. Artanis looks better, even if he's ununnecessarily fixated on me. Tormented is at least trying, to an extent.
Right now I kinda want to lynch Snarfs. Ever since his first big post, I've had him down as solidly scummy but I've sat on it and waited. He never really got better.
##Vote: Snarfs
Firstly is he reeally trying, I don't get that impression. I can't remember one decent thing he has done.
He even says.
On February 25 2015 15:59 _Tormented_ wrote:
lol whatever, I am not mafia and you will see that, but I see no reason to post again since everything I say apparently gets twisted around to be mafia.
This is not someone trying.
Furthermore you actually don't scum read him for his activity. You scum read him for his fluffy questions, and trying to blend in.
On February 24 2015 14:59 yamato77 wrote:So I guess no one is going to play along and actually look at tormented with any sort of scrutiny, I might as well just post my suspicions now and gauge reaction. Only two people have actually commented on his alignment to any degree, and both of them like the fact that he asked some questions. Mkay. Sure. However, when one looks at his filter it just seems like someone who simply wants to blend in. Many of his early game posts are completely fluff and serve no purpose. He spends time talking about: RNG Show nested quote +On February 24 2015 09:40 _Tormented_ wrote:
Probulous is right, no sense wasting what will almost definitely be a town lynch. Most day 1s I have been a part of provide some information, but I imagine on a forum like this one the information will either be much greater or much more hidden. Show nested quote +On February 24 2015 10:13 _Tormented_ wrote:On February 24 2015 10:06 Probulous wrote:On February 24 2015 10:02 Eden1892 wrote:On February 24 2015 09:31 Probulous wrote:Precisely  Just getting the ball rolling. You still haven't answered my question, what does it mean to you? To me it means nothing, hence I asked the question. As for random lynch, over my dead body. We are statistically more likely to get town and more importantly it provides cover for scum to avoid scumhunting in Day 1. No point in wasting a whole day waiting for a lynch that gives us no information. [citation needed] On February 24 2015 09:48 Half the Sky wrote:
So which cell are you Artanis?
Also how dirty is your mind going to get this game? Do I want to know? yes let's get dirty this game  ROFL, what I meant was with 10 townies and 3 mafia, there is a much higher chance on lynching town if the lynch is completely randomised. Eden, what makes you "bad" at this game? I would argue that there is a higher chance of lynching town if it is NOT random, but then you would lose out on any information. The theory behind this is that the mafia know each other and the town do not (on average). This leads to mafia not only have a numbers advantage in that there is a higher chance that town get lynched, but they will also work together to absolutely make sure one of their own do not die day one. Granted I am sure they screw up from time to time and do get lynched day 1, but to say that there is a higher chance of lynching town at random, I believe that to be false. Show nested quote +On February 24 2015 10:19 _Tormented_ wrote:
lol, well my post is wrong...at least in non newbie games on here. Sarcasm Show nested quote +On February 24 2015 10:02 _Tormented_ wrote:On February 24 2015 10:00 Eden1892 wrote:On February 24 2015 09:03 Snarfs wrote:
So, not recognizing the following names:
3) Half the Sky
4) sicklucker
5) Tronak
7) _Tormented_
9) The Shining
10) Eden1892
12) Damdred
I'm curious who the new new players are and how much experience each of the listed people has. Should help me get an idea of what to expect as far as town/mafia capabilities are concerned. I've never played this game on TL and I am really bad at it in other venues Trying to out sarcasm damdred? Show nested quote +On February 24 2015 10:10 _Tormented_ wrote:On February 24 2015 10:03 Eden1892 wrote:On February 24 2015 10:02 _Tormented_ wrote:On February 24 2015 10:00 Eden1892 wrote:On February 24 2015 09:03 Snarfs wrote:
So, not recognizing the following names:
3) Half the Sky
4) sicklucker
5) Tronak
7) _Tormented_
9) The Shining
10) Eden1892
12) Damdred
I'm curious who the new new players are and how much experience each of the listed people has. Should help me get an idea of what to expect as far as town/mafia capabilities are concerned. I've never played this game on TL and I am really bad at it in other venues Trying to out sarcasm damdred? Testing my Bluff rank. Looks like the DC was too high to be meaningful hmm yeah you were probably missing something critical for your success. And he asks this stupid question: Show nested quote +On February 24 2015 10:40 _Tormented_ wrote:
@yamato what makes you support Artanis for mayor? Especially without hearing anyone else even lobby for it yet. Which probulous gives him credit for. eeeehhhhh Other posts are also just "general information" sort of posts that have little to do with the game. His only "reads" post is this gem: Show nested quote +On February 24 2015 11:13 _Tormented_ wrote:
lol fine, here ya go before I have to leave work. Take it for what you will.
Player List
1) Probulous (filter) - town
2) Artanis[Xp] (filter) - town or overly aggressive mafia
3) Half the Sky (filter) - town
4) sicklucker (filter) - town
5) Tronak (filter) - no clue
6) Yamato77 (filter) - mafia
7) _Tormented_ (filter) - town
8) Node (filter) - no clue
9) The Shining (filter) - no clue
10) Eden1892 (filter) - either mafia or he is just being obtuse for no reason
11) WaveofShadow (filter) - no clue
12) Damdred (filter) - town
13) snarfs (filter) - no clue It's believable enough that he "accidentally" called sicklucker town but it's also possible he simply outed himself. Either way, these reads are weak and also evident of thread sentiment. Artanis and I are the only people with fingers pointed at us in the thread, and his reads reflect that rather perfectly. Show nested quote +On February 24 2015 11:22 _Tormented_ wrote:
Not to mention he completely avoids giving any reason for it In response to me voting him after that post, he says this. Ironic, given that he's given exactly 0 reasons for any of his reads. In the mean time, I'll simply assume they are fabricated and designed to be inconspicuous, like my impression of them would assert. Notably, he thinks I'm mafia and that I'm OMGUSing him but yet I'm the one who voted him and he has yet to place his. It's not an amazing read, but it's more interesting to me than anything else that has happened thus far. I have yet to read Probulous' case on Damdred but in general I tend to listen to my own reads day 1 more than I trust other people's cases. My initial impression of damdred is that he is playing somewhat different from how I remember but that doesn't mean much with my absence from the game.
Can you explan this please
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On February 26 2015 06:26 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ksc if yamato was scum he wouldn't have even done that much.
This game is town yamato's formula.i hate fucking meta and even I will admit to it.
are you called yamato?
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SL still hasn't done anything
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On February 26 2015 06:30 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'd lunch that guy maybe but I feel like it would be doing so just as blind.
All he does is spam and spout random shit and I don't know how he normally plays.
Is it blind.
DId you read my case on him.
His response to my questions was absolutely terrible.
I have given him 2 chances now where I back off him and let him give reads.
All he has is snarf and damdred are town for terrible reasons very early on, then calling me mafia because I called him mafia.
He has done absolutely nothing.
It's a good lynch
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On February 26 2015 06:33 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2015 06:24 KelsierSC wrote:Yamato can you explain this process to me. So your main scum read was Tormented right, who is voting on snarfs with you. Ok I can let that go if you have like a sudden reason to town read tormented. Your reason to townread tormented is On February 26 2015 03:15 yamato77 wrote:
I like damdred's posts about Snarfs. Dude has been seriously fishy this whole game.
For one, I'm pretty sure Node is town. For two, the way he's sort of just landed on Kels makes me highly suspicious. If someone has to bait you into voting them, it looks bad.
Kelsier looks a lot better now than when I initially voted him. Snarfs looks worse. Artanis looks better, even if he's ununnecessarily fixated on me. Tormented is at least trying, to an extent.
Right now I kinda want to lynch Snarfs. Ever since his first big post, I've had him down as solidly scummy but I've sat on it and waited. He never really got better.
##Vote: Snarfs Firstly is he reeally trying, I don't get that impression. I can't remember one decent thing he has done. He even says. On February 25 2015 15:59 _Tormented_ wrote:
lol whatever, I am not mafia and you will see that, but I see no reason to post again since everything I say apparently gets twisted around to be mafia. This is not someone trying. Furthermore you actually don't scum read him for his activity. You scum read him for his fluffy questions, and trying to blend in. On February 24 2015 14:59 yamato77 wrote:So I guess no one is going to play along and actually look at tormented with any sort of scrutiny, I might as well just post my suspicions now and gauge reaction. Only two people have actually commented on his alignment to any degree, and both of them like the fact that he asked some questions. Mkay. Sure. However, when one looks at his filter it just seems like someone who simply wants to blend in. Many of his early game posts are completely fluff and serve no purpose. He spends time talking about: RNG On February 24 2015 09:40 _Tormented_ wrote:
Probulous is right, no sense wasting what will almost definitely be a town lynch. Most day 1s I have been a part of provide some information, but I imagine on a forum like this one the information will either be much greater or much more hidden. On February 24 2015 10:13 _Tormented_ wrote:On February 24 2015 10:06 Probulous wrote:On February 24 2015 10:02 Eden1892 wrote:On February 24 2015 09:31 Probulous wrote:Precisely Just getting the ball rolling. You still haven't answered my question, what does it mean to you? To me it means nothing, hence I asked the question. As for random lynch, over my dead body. We are statistically more likely to get town and more importantly it provides cover for scum to avoid scumhunting in Day 1. No point in wasting a whole day waiting for a lynch that gives us no information. [citation needed] On February 24 2015 09:48 Half the Sky wrote:
So which cell are you Artanis?
Also how dirty is your mind going to get this game? Do I want to know? yes let's get dirty this game ROFL, what I meant was with 10 townies and 3 mafia, there is a much higher chance on lynching town if the lynch is completely randomised. Eden, what makes you "bad" at this game? I would argue that there is a higher chance of lynching town if it is NOT random, but then you would lose out on any information. The theory behind this is that the mafia know each other and the town do not (on average). This leads to mafia not only have a numbers advantage in that there is a higher chance that town get lynched, but they will also work together to absolutely make sure one of their own do not die day one. Granted I am sure they screw up from time to time and do get lynched day 1, but to say that there is a higher chance of lynching town at random, I believe that to be false. On February 24 2015 10:19 _Tormented_ wrote:
lol, well my post is wrong...at least in non newbie games on here. Sarcasm On February 24 2015 10:02 _Tormented_ wrote:On February 24 2015 10:00 Eden1892 wrote:On February 24 2015 09:03 Snarfs wrote:
So, not recognizing the following names:
3) Half the Sky
4) sicklucker
5) Tronak
7) _Tormented_
9) The Shining
10) Eden1892
12) Damdred
I'm curious who the new new players are and how much experience each of the listed people has. Should help me get an idea of what to expect as far as town/mafia capabilities are concerned. I've never played this game on TL and I am really bad at it in other venues Trying to out sarcasm damdred? On February 24 2015 10:10 _Tormented_ wrote:On February 24 2015 10:03 Eden1892 wrote:On February 24 2015 10:02 _Tormented_ wrote:On February 24 2015 10:00 Eden1892 wrote:On February 24 2015 09:03 Snarfs wrote:
So, not recognizing the following names:
3) Half the Sky
4) sicklucker
5) Tronak
7) _Tormented_
9) The Shining
10) Eden1892
12) Damdred
I'm curious who the new new players are and how much experience each of the listed people has. Should help me get an idea of what to expect as far as town/mafia capabilities are concerned. I've never played this game on TL and I am really bad at it in other venues Trying to out sarcasm damdred? Testing my Bluff rank. Looks like the DC was too high to be meaningful hmm yeah you were probably missing something critical for your success. And he asks this stupid question: On February 24 2015 10:40 _Tormented_ wrote:
@yamato what makes you support Artanis for mayor? Especially without hearing anyone else even lobby for it yet. Which probulous gives him credit for. eeeehhhhh Other posts are also just "general information" sort of posts that have little to do with the game. His only "reads" post is this gem: On February 24 2015 11:13 _Tormented_ wrote:
lol fine, here ya go before I have to leave work. Take it for what you will.
Player List
1) Probulous (filter) - town
2) Artanis[Xp] (filter) - town or overly aggressive mafia
3) Half the Sky (filter) - town
4) sicklucker (filter) - town
5) Tronak (filter) - no clue
6) Yamato77 (filter) - mafia
7) _Tormented_ (filter) - town
8) Node (filter) - no clue
9) The Shining (filter) - no clue
10) Eden1892 (filter) - either mafia or he is just being obtuse for no reason
11) WaveofShadow (filter) - no clue
12) Damdred (filter) - town
13) snarfs (filter) - no clue It's believable enough that he "accidentally" called sicklucker town but it's also possible he simply outed himself. Either way, these reads are weak and also evident of thread sentiment. Artanis and I are the only people with fingers pointed at us in the thread, and his reads reflect that rather perfectly. On February 24 2015 11:22 _Tormented_ wrote:
Not to mention he completely avoids giving any reason for it In response to me voting him after that post, he says this. Ironic, given that he's given exactly 0 reasons for any of his reads. In the mean time, I'll simply assume they are fabricated and designed to be inconspicuous, like my impression of them would assert. Notably, he thinks I'm mafia and that I'm OMGUSing him but yet I'm the one who voted him and he has yet to place his. It's not an amazing read, but it's more interesting to me than anything else that has happened thus far. I have yet to read Probulous' case on Damdred but in general I tend to listen to my own reads day 1 more than I trust other people's cases. My initial impression of damdred is that he is playing somewhat different from how I remember but that doesn't mean much with my absence from the game. Can you explan this please It's precisely because of posts like the one you quote where he shows his frustration with the game that proves he's trying, at least to an extent. It's not working for him but he is doing things. It's a departure from how he started the game. I'm willing to let him pass. It's not an amazing townread, but the scumread was never that strong and far too tentative to really take to lynch.
hmm ok I guess that makes sense.
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people are not voting SL and I don't know why
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On February 26 2015 06:56 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2015 06:51 KelsierSC wrote:
people are not voting SL and I don't know why Snarfs case is better. SL is like a plynch tbh
NO IT ISN'T HOLY FUCK PEOPLE STOP SAYING THIS!
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if you people think wave is scummy you should put my balls where your mouth is and vote him.
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On February 26 2015 07:03 Tronak wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2015 06:57 KelsierSC wrote:
if you people think wave is scummy you should put my balls where your mouth is and vote him.
What do you think about Wave?
lol I have no fucking idea.
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This is good shit right here.
So for anyone in void mafia, go look up the game if you like. liancourt came in and said SL should be lynched. here is the response from SL that game
On January 21 2015 00:00 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2015 23:52 Vivax wrote: You then proceeded to say bats was scummy from the vivax/marv interaction but have "given him a free pass" by not talking about him like you complained people were doing with lian. I just asked SL for a read on bats and he dodged the question. No im making a list post you baddies. I dont know whats going on the the most productive thing is to give my reads. Holyflare - No strong read. Could be either Ive seen him push stupid mislynches as town before Damdred - Had the same idea to presure marv as two town (me and vivax) batsnacks - Not thinking for himself leaning scum liancourt - Policy lynching giving 0 reads and afking. ScumVivax - Playing identical from are last game I dont think something this wild can be duplicated as mafia. Half the Sky - I read her really well. And she is not being her town so far. But Ive jumped the gun on that before want to see more like asap or lynch. VayneAuthority - Tried to stop a mislynch on him last game lead by liancourt, oats and bats. Lets see his day2 this time. Wile E. Coyote - Who the hell is he? I dont know he uses big words and is burying me so leaning scum. Oatsmaster - being his normal null self. Would not lynch Marvellosity - Obv town never lynch when he mislynches me today KelsierSC - Similiar ideas reading town.
So we see here that his default when he is mafia and gets called out is to say. you have no reads and you call me mafia, so you are mafia.
let's look at his play this game.
On February 25 2015 06:15 sicklucker wrote:
And ksc is scummy for wanting to lynch two towns. (One that didnt do anything..) And two newbs
omgus, thinks im mafia because I called him mafia.
His main accusation against me.
On February 26 2015 01:59 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2015 01:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On February 26 2015 01:45 KelsierSC wrote:
Ugh fair enough.
I thought you beez in the trap
## unvote
##vote Yamato77
I dont think sl is policy. My case on him isn't policy at all.
Plus you yourself gave an example of his town mentality and I just displayed something that was opposed to that.
Dont pull "oh its policy" bullshit when my case is the realest I don't think Damdred's capable of posting as much as he is now as mafia. I also don't think you did. Town SL can easily make a post that he thinks is accidentally very townie, then decide (as he has so far) not to give much more of a shit for the rest of the day to compensate. It'd actually fit in his thought process there. He's null to me and I'm not sure there's much that can sway me on him in either direction. Since no one wants to vote Tormented I'll park my vote on Yamato as well. He's made one case on Tormented which he backed off from when a question mark pushed the same suspect, he's asked a bunch of questions that didn't lead to anything, and he's been flinging unsubstantiated suspicions at me all game long whilst complaining about how the thread's evolving. ##Vote Yamato77 Good read dandred is 100% town. But unlike dandred kels has a history of spewing mafia on day1 (see Christmas carol) He wants to kill two towns (me and dandred) and the two other easy newb lynches. He has like 0 town reads
again saying I have 0 reads.
Seems strikingly similar
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On February 26 2015 07:09 Tronak wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2015 07:05 KelsierSC wrote:On February 26 2015 07:03 Tronak wrote:On February 26 2015 06:57 KelsierSC wrote:
if you people think wave is scummy you should put my balls where your mouth is and vote him.
What do you think about Wave? lol I have no fucking idea. Was hoping for you to put some weight in tbh. I am starting to believe in Eden's push on him (sorry Eden if that doesnt permit you close your case on him).
if you believe in the push then you can go vote for wave.
you already think i'm mafia right so my input shouldn't really be important to you.
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On February 26 2015 07:36 Probulous wrote:From this game Show nested quote +On February 25 2015 06:00 sicklucker wrote:
Snarfs had the best opening. Dandred is posting too much to be mafia. I would sheep dandred From HoA Show nested quote +On February 04 2015 09:27 sicklucker wrote:
From reading like 3 pages
Marv - town for posting
eden town for presuring
koshi town for saying he wont do anything KSC Case Show nested quote +On February 25 2015 08:53 KelsierSC wrote:
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so i'm like ok maybe i'm not sure. let's step back , he's a fool. let's see what he does. Since I stepped back we get...Nothing. He doesn't give a shit about this. Just two shit tier town reads. Show nested quote +On February 26 2015 02:04 KelsierSC wrote:
So you have already explained why you had a "townie" opener. And drew attention to "towny " posts but artanis says you like to be unreadable. Is artanis lying.about your play then? Show nested quote +On February 26 2015 02:07 KelsierSC wrote:On February 26 2015 02:06 sicklucker wrote:
Thats his opinion its not a terrible one but I dont think its correct. So artanis is lying about your play. Why? So from the above SL style seems pretty consistent to me. Talk shit, be straight and generally don't give a fuck. But it's meta which for me is pretty useless unless I played with person. KSC, is there anything else to your case?
he hasn't responded properly to my accusation about Artanis.
Is Artanis lying about his play, if so, why is he not more suspicous of Artanis.
if Artanis is telling the truth why is he not playing his town style.
No response to this.
Every time I remove pressure from him he disappeears
two shit tier town reads and calls me mafia because I read him as mafia.
His reaction is consistent from the Void game when he is mafia, this probably isn't useful to you.
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I'm basically going to give this SL thing another 20 minutes and if people think it's just a sack of shit then i'll drop it and decide what I want to do.
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Furthermore when I questioned him about artanis he said this.
On February 26 2015 03:12 sicklucker wrote:
Basically artanis is saying I try as hard when im scum which is true. He questions your scum read because im not really trying
Firstly, this isn't what Artanis said at all.
The second thing is that the way SL twisted it was to make Artanis look better? Like if someone lies about me why am I trying to help cover their lie. probably because most people were town reading Artanis, or he knows Artanis is town and doesn't want to call him mafia.
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wave does tornak fit this description
On February 24 2015 15:25 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2015 15:20 yamato77 wrote:On February 24 2015 15:17 WaveofShadow wrote:Am I included it those who 'liked the fact that he asked some questions?' Because I don't think I said anything of the sort. I believe my words were: On February 24 2015 12:04 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 24 2015 10:40 _Tormented_ wrote:
@yamato what makes you support Artanis for mayor? Especially without hearing anyone else even lobby for it yet. This one is curious. It's typical new player fare. He's pretty agreeable and gives the public exactly what they want---this works from both mafia and town perspectives for obvs reasons. I'm historically awful at reading new players and this is no exception tbh. Now I think there's maybe something to it, but a) all you're doing is basically taking the 'he must be mafia' side of the inconspicuous newbie argument b) I'm not sure why you think it has more merit than Prob's point that I've latched onto. I don't really see a towny mindset behind Damdred's retraction. I thought you were describing him as a curious person, not saying that he perplexes you in some way. Anyway, I didn't say he had to be mafia, I'm just saying that it is textbook earlygame mafia play. He's not a complete noob, either. And such is often the problem I have with newer players (doesn't have to be a complete noob for this to apply). Textbook mafia play often also looks like textbook 'I'm not sure what else to do here' noob play.
I'm far less convinced by this than I am with Damdred's play right now. Damdred is far better than he has played thus far, and his excuses are a little weak. What exactly do you find to be 'ehhhhhhhhhh?'
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On February 26 2015 07:53 _Tormented_ wrote:
##unvote
##Vote Artanis
I agree about snarf's post and I agree with his lynch, even if nothing will come of it.
what do you like about his post?
that he called artanis and me mafia?
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