On February 28 2015 21:04 Probulous wrote: OK, sorry for the lack of posting. Weekend mafia is tough, especially when House of Cards Season 3 drops
First off, welcome to Shit-Samwich. Secondly ##Vote: FecalFeast
I had my suspicions about Node and his replacement is no better. Besides not reading the thread he is simply asking for reads and misrepresenting reality. His first action was dishonest. Note
On February 27 2015 11:43 Fecalfeast wrote: scum, feel free to pressure me for that easy mislynch but I read the posts of the man I replaced and correctly read him town before I got the replacement pm. Other than that, I've been barely skimming this game.
On February 27 2015 11:56 Fecalfeast wrote: after page one I already think you're bleeding town. Does anyone have issues with snarfs? I'm still all up in this filter but if there's something in context that I might miss by looking at his filter alone, lmk
If you were skimming the thread, the first thing you notice is who was up for a lynch on Day 1. He knows that Snarfs is looking town to most people now because of the way is the lynch went down but he asks the question to appear ignorant.I mean why did he pick Snarfs anyway? My only conclusion is he saw the vote tally and thought Snarfs was a good person to start on because of the way the voting went but he tries to present it as if he is starting from scratch. You know, make the most of being a replacement. Lying is probably too harsh but it is definitely misrepresentation.
On February 27 2015 15:36 Fecalfeast wrote: How many people are scum reading yamato I remember him coming up a lot. Also why was snarfs the other wagon? Why was you vote on a separate person, SL? Did you think both wagons were town but no one listened?
If he even bothered to look at the vote tally he just posted he would know that Yamato was never a serious lynch contender. Artanis voted for him really early but I think that was it. Again, he is misrepresenting what happened in this game. SL voted like an idiot because perhaps he is one, I don't know, but a simple reading of the hour before the lynch would show you his reasons. These questions are not simply questions someone asks when they are trying to understand the game, they are questions someone asks when they want to appear to have no clue what is going on.
There is a difference between trying but missing things, and just being lazy. Node looked like scum but I gave him the benefit of the doubt in-case life got in the way his replacement is trying to use that leniency to skate bye.
Assumption one: That I remember the vote counts from skimming the thread from OUTSIDE the game.
Assumtion two: That I wasn't being lazy when asking for the vote count and somehow 'acting like I don't know what's going on'
Assumtion three: That I can ONLY assume someone was being scumread if they were a lynch contender.
This case is based on the preconceived notion that I am scum and spins everything I say into a sinister light. And it's on a town player.
So to you I am the most likely scum because I haven't dome what you told me to do?
Nice
Most likely because you havent done anything.
Why would I waste the opportunity to be scum be not doing anything?
Why do you assume I'm doing nothing? I have been making reads and interacting in real time with people, if they actually engage me. Just because I don't play like you'd like me to doesn't mean I'm scum.
On March 01 2015 03:59 _Tormented_ wrote: FF what is your read on yamato? Right now we are set to lynch artanis. If he turns up mafia, how does that make yamato look with his artanis pls votes? Does it even mean anything? What about if artanis turns up town?
In my honest opinion, the way artanis changed his read so drastically on yamato (scumming him and then at the drop of a hat:"He doesn't look so bad anymore") I think it looks more like Artanis ran out of steam/reasons to call yamato scum and backed off.
To put it simply: If Artanis flips scum, I think yamato is more likely town based on artanis' actions.
On March 01 2015 04:03 Snarfs wrote: FF, what did you come up with on Tormented? In my mind right now this vote should be between Tormented and artanis and you haven't really commented on him yet.
I came up with me going to be at like 11:30pm and sleeping for 11 hours. If I did start filtering him it was in the twilight of exhaustion and I forgot.
I like you better than tormented so I will look at him instead of yamato.
Are you not sure on Artanis or just more sure on Nodefeast?
Already explained (top post in this page)
You asking this to Mr. newbie, I lack reading skills. However, I'll try to re-explain... I've been asking for Artamis to give us inputs (other than single tunnel you+some reads when asked for) during days, instead in my opinion he stopped playing as town 72hours ago. However, he based his inactivity on OOG reasons ("I am feeling lazy" "I am tired I've been in Capoira" "Flew"). I got no hurry to lynch him and dont care at all if he is actually lynched tonight, will be happy to do it if he doesnt contribute next night/d3.
FF been in for 36hours after Node was out another 36. He has given 0 inputs to me so far. He hasnt explained his vote on Artanis and Prob's case on him is pretty good + KSC looks sure +Damdred also had him in his list (as well as Artanis) if I remember well.
Look at my comments on prob's case and tell me why I'm wrong, then. His case is speculation on the motivation behind my laziness and that's it.
On February 24 2015 11:13 _Tormented_ wrote: lol fine, here ya go before I have to leave work. Take it for what you will.
Player List 1) Probulous (filter) - town 2) Artanis[Xp] (filter) - town or overly aggressive mafia 3) Half the Sky (filter) - town 4) sicklucker (filter) - town 5) Tronak (filter) - no clue 6) Yamato77 (filter) - mafia 7) _Tormented_ (filter) - town 8) Node (filter) - no clue 9) The Shining (filter) - no clue 10) Eden1892 (filter) - either mafia or he is just being obtuse for no reason 11) WaveofShadow (filter) - no clue 12) Damdred (filter) - town 13) snarfs (filter) - no clue
On February 24 2015 11:17 _Tormented_ wrote: sorry meant that town for hts and a no clue for sucklucker
This list is just bad. To have so many town reads without any indication of doubt on them (townish, towny, null/town etc) isn't that bad until you look at where this post comes in. PAGE 11. On page 11 this guy has 5 townreads (not counting SL), 2 weak mafia reads (I counted artanis in both here because he is apparently both) and calling yamato77 mafia of all people when his only interaction with yamato is to ask about the fake mayor vote.
2) Artanis[Xp] (filter) - town or overly aggressive mafia so... you read him as.. town/scum? So null? If artanis flips mafia I would almost call this a thinly veiled warning to artanis that he should calm down. *takes off tinfoil hat* not sure why that would happen in thread rather than scum QT, nvm.
On February 25 2015 07:34 yamato77 wrote: Tormented is mafia***
Don't phone post kids
You had it right the first time fyi. Also, I do agree ksc seems to be scrambling to make up for any reads that hts might have given away.
So after listing HTS as town, he suspects kelsier for 'trying to make up for any reads hts might have given away' I ask: Why would kelsier not look at the reads HTS made and re-evaluate? I think if he kept all the reads the same he would be scummy, not the other way around.
On February 25 2015 12:29 Probulous wrote: Eden, why is your vote on tormentor?
he said he wanted an explanation out of me and I said why he seemed mafia at the start. Never took the vote off. shrug
Once eden starts pressuring tormented he starts playing really defensive. Answering for other people^ and generally trying to stop anyone else from talking about him
1) what about Artanis's behavior made you think he was "trying very hard to seem town"? 2) what about my posting was "obtuse," as you put it before? 3) what about the other 10 people you gave reads on? 4) what about the changes if any on any of those 12 reads?
1.) Just the feeling I got by reading all the different directions he was going in. Now he is either misguided or mafia. He wrote an essay with no real evidence against me and has done pretty much nothing else since to help the town besides get mad at yamato for changing his mind.
2.) You were obtuse because you were just spamming random useless shit with no value. On further observations, you are more than likely town.
3.) I had no other real reads, I just put town as a placeholder. I still think ksc is more scummy than SL in that argument.
4.) damdred is more than likely town as is Prob.
I JUST PUT TOWN AS A PLACEHOLDER?
THEN WHAT DOES "NO CLUE" MEAN?
On February 24 2015 11:17 _Tormented_ wrote: sorry meant that town for hts and a no clue for sucklucker
On February 24 2015 11:17 _Tormented_ wrote: sorry meant that town for hts and a no clue for sucklucker
On February 24 2015 11:17 _Tormented_ wrote: sorry meant that town for hts and a no clue for sucklucker
On February 24 2015 11:13 _Tormented_ wrote: lol fine, here ya go before I have to leave work. Take it for what you will.
Player List 1) Probulous (filter) - town 2) Artanis[Xp] (filter) - town or overly aggressive mafia 3) Half the Sky (filter) - town 4) sicklucker (filter) - town 5) Tronak (filter) - no clue 6) Yamato77 (filter) - mafia 7) _Tormented_ (filter) - town 8) Node (filter) - no clue 9) The Shining (filter) - no clue 10) Eden1892 (filter) - either mafia or he is just being obtuse for no reason 11) WaveofShadow (filter) - no clue 12) Damdred (filter) - town 13) snarfs (filter) - no clue
I love how im town without posting. Do you just start out everyone as town? because thats not standard so people might get confused. the word is "null"
As I explained I went to mark town for hts and put it on you on accident. Was about to post and saw I had nothing for hts and wrote town. I just find it hilarious how big of a deal people make our of it.
YOU DID NOT PUT TOWN AS A PLACEHOLDER
OK I found a huge lie. I am not finished with tormented's filter but I am going to follow the smoke toward the riff filled land before I continue.
On March 01 2015 04:03 Fecalfeast wrote: Oh you want my read on him now? I haven't dived his filter and have only looked at him in relation to artanis. Let me check.
I actually don't know when deadline is, I will also check that since people in this game see laziness as a scum trait.
Have you already dived in Artanis filter?
Yep, and since you've been so adamant about a detailed analysis I will no longer be posting an analysis. Feel free to ask questions though!
On March 01 2015 04:30 _Tormented_ wrote: @FF I am new on this site and my d1 is a mess and I know that. I promise you I am town even though my posts are all over the place.
Ok then, while I'm going through the last few pages of your filter, explain the following:
Did you use the word 'town' on your list as a placeholder? (If yes, go to a. If no, go to b) a. Why did you not tell sicklucker yes when he asked this very question? b. Why did you tell eden that you did use the word town as a placeholder?
On February 25 2015 15:42 Damdred wrote: The whole vote doesn't make a ton of sense to me but explain it and I'll reread it when I wake up maybe just to tord to understand.
I already thought snarf was making an effort to be visible, but without actually doing anything. Nord called him out on it and his response was a wall of text trying to justify that Nord was actually mafia instead. I don't buy it. If you think that makes me bad, then so be it.
If this is true I will re-look at snarfs. I must have missed that.
On February 25 2015 15:59 _Tormented_ wrote: lol whatever, I am not mafia and you will see that, but I see no reason to post again since everything I say apparently gets twisted around to be mafia.
Specifically who was doing this? This is a mafia trait as I said in my response to prob's case on me.
On February 26 2015 08:16 Probulous wrote: ##Vote WaveofShadow
Answer the question.
he's not going to be here
wtf are you doing?
I don't like a Snarfs lynch, he is active trying and willing to be wrong. Artanis is spammy as hell but so are others and he has been pushing his tormented case all game. He is at least active and trying to find scum.
Wave has done absolutely nothing all game despite being asked for it. Many times. He wasn't a lynch target so he just AFKs. Classic scum.
He didn't just AFK, he has a fucking job and a family
dude wtf
Right, sorry man. I'm not trying to be personal. I don't know what his personal circumstances are.
Fact remains though, even without answering my question he has provided nothing to this thread despite saying multiple times he would go away and think about things.
Your logic is sound and my vote on artanis is pretty much a waste anyway.
##Unvote ##Vote Wave
Prob helped sway you onto WoS? Interesting, considering that we know he is town, now.
On February 26 2015 08:34 KelsierSC wrote: Tormented don't waste your vote.
please.
lol, get out of my head!!
Also interesting.
On February 26 2015 09:08 KelsierSC wrote: why the fuck would anyone like tormented after that lynch?
snarf made some bullshit legacy post that offered nothing of interest, which he obviously didn't read properly. and that was enough to make him switch off him ? yeh , no
I found this when checking tormented in context. This post contradicts things that actually happened. Tormented switched from snarfs onto artanis, not wave. He switched to wave when probulous convinced him, which kelsier was only barely too late to be counted as doing as well.
OKAY so I need to hear tormented's explaination of D1 before I can make a proper read on him. He looks decently towny AFTER the whole town-as-placeholder debacle.
That said, I am now getting a whiff of scum from kelsier's direction. I smelled it from tormented's filter and it needs investigating.
On February 28 2015 05:02 Tronak wrote: Finally this wakes up again. (is very boring for me to spend most of my day time alone despite being 1 of the 3 europeans in the game)
Ok just 2 things, I must leave for a dinner with friends in some minutes: 1-Answering Shining- Shining my reads may be weak (this is my 1st game ever in case you didnt noticed yet: read the thread ), now instead of being fully emotional on your defense, relax and keep defending, no problem.
On February 28 2015 03:50 The Shining wrote: Tronak good job on that conclusion. Too bad you have no vote up and even said in your post you wouldn't have looked at me for hours if Snarfs hadn't pushed you. If you're happy lynching me as scum team, why aren't you? Man up. What I see is someone soft pushing for a temperature check in the thread and seeing if my lynch will gain traction.
Artanys been in my suspect list before any you even looked at him, I am voting Artanys, I wont change unless he shows me he is town. (Read the thread )
On February 28 2015 04:10 The Shining wrote: Oh and where did I join the Artanis wagon?
On February 27 2015 12:46 The Shining wrote: Artanis - scummy
(Read your own posts )
On February 28 2015 03:50 The Shining wrote: And I was ASKED by FF for that list post, I'm not a fan of those but meh. I saw no reason not to.
And again, read the thread. SL I moved to town. Eden I'm town leaning but I'm really having fun watching her reaction to me being evasive about it. You, I feel can be scum especially after such a horrible post and I saw both scum and town points in your filter. And I don't necessarily read ppl I've never interacted with.
Gotta admit I missed your read changings, you should have updated your list or dont throw spamm in your game. At any case this was a good point for you and a -1 for me. Will be happy to interchange more words with you tomorrow if needed.
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On February 28 2015 03:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'll be around in like 2.5 hours. Can we have a big party here with everyone then?
I wont be able to be there in 2,5hours ( I wish), neither on 3 or 4, maybe on 5 for a very short time before hitting bed.
So Artanis is set to be lynched right now. What happened to this Tronak that has been suspicious of Artanis "before everyone" except maybe Tormented? He just sheeped a Prob case onto FF(to get off the Artanis mislynch?) after saying he won't change unless Artanis shows he is town.
So wait, Tronak, your idea is that I bussed artanis? That's what makes me a good vig shot? Calling me a lazy town even though I put in work?
What about the fact that artanis was scumreading me? It would make more sense to call me town for a bullshit reason that looks like TMI when he flips mafia. Or was this also a bus? What a good mafia plan.
On March 01 2015 08:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote: KelsierSC - No reason for him to defend me at this point. It's highly unlikely I won't get lynched, plus the effort he's put in this game in general and his unwillingness to go for the easy mislynch makes it extremely unlikely to be scum. Eden1892 - Has had a terrible day, but he's probably still town for the depth of his analysis on D1. Tronak - Shenannies from me onto Fecal feels town. I think he genuinely thinks I'm mafia, and he's actively questioning everything to the point of me thinking it's impossible he's thinking up all these things as mafia. The Shining - Similar reasons to Kelsier, but his lack of conviction in what he's trying might mean that he's simply trying to look good post flip. Probulous - Has been pretty absent during the day, but the fact that he went for Fecal over me and didn't give in on the easy Artanis train gives him significant credit. Yamato77 - I still think he's town, maybe? His EoD during D1 had a lot of conviction, but it's flowed away a bit again since then so meh. I also don't understand the evolution of his read on me at all today. Snarfs - Snarfs is actually completely null to me right now. He seemed eager to actually engage me, is asking a lot of questions and in general his play has been good, but plenty of question marks from the early game still remain. sicklucker - Has been pretty flipfloppy on me today. Don't know why he thinks I'm mafia. FecalFeast - Seems more interested in painting everything as scummy than finding out who's actually scummy. For some reason suspects Tormented and me at the same time, then suddenly swaps onto Kelsier who has no chance of flipping. Trying to abdicate responsibility for his votes. _Tormented_ - My filter should say enough about him.
Sorry for the poor performance, GL town.
IDK, I just don't think vig should waste a shot shooting into someone who has NO REAL SCUM CASE ON HIM. Unless someone can show me how prob's case is based on real life and not speculation and assumption, the only reasons for calling me scum I have seen are: "He is lazy" and "I read node as scum"
On March 02 2015 06:45 Tronak wrote: Moreover, wtf... I actually posted ALL Artanys reads yesterday night before EOD. Did you actually missed that too FF?
you want me play Artanys last-post game?
I want you dead tonight, and if not i want you lynched on D3. Clear as water.
To me you are saying:
"I want a town player to die"
Do you wonder why I gloss over your posts? You act like a disgruntled schoolteacher
To be honest, if you want to know about how laziness relates to my alignment, ask sicklucker. He has a pretty good handle on how I play, even if he downplays my usefulness.
On March 02 2015 06:45 Tronak wrote: Moreover, wtf... I actually posted ALL Artanys reads yesterday night before EOD. Did you actually missed that too FF?
you want me play Artanys last-post game?
I want you dead tonight, and if not i want you lynched on D3. Clear as water.
To me you are saying:
"I want a town player to die"
Do you wonder why I gloss over your posts? You act like a disgruntled schoolteacher
No, I actually I wonder why: - you refused to read the thread and just jump in filters. - you chosed to jump in Artanis filter after Snarfs and others filters. - you chosed to analyze Tormented. - you voted Artanis. - you refused to analyze Artanis and give us your feedback. - you just tried to trick me bringing up Artanis last post. - you lied while trying to trick me.
Mmm let me correct my self: I dont wonder anymore.
-Reading the thread after already reading it from an outsider's persepective is boring. Filters allow me to get reads on people. -Artanis was a topic of discussion at the time -Artanis asked me to, bear in mind at this point he was not confirmed scum. -I got scummy feelings from his filter and was partially sheeping eden -I refused to give you a detailed analysis on his filter as you have been really getting on my nerves this game. I even told you to ask me questions which you did not do. -Explain the trick I pulled as I did not intend to do anything of the sort. -Also explain
EPT
), now instead of being fully emotional on your defense, relax and keep defending, no problem.
