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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
February 24 2015 02:19 GMT
#218
ok artanis, you're off the hook for now

##unvote
##vote: _tormented_
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
February 24 2015 02:22 GMT
#221
On February 24 2015 11:21 Snarfs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2015 11:19 yamato77 wrote:
ok artanis, you're off the hook for now

##unvote
##vote: _tormented_

Reasons please?

instead of me making a case at this point and people taking their stances on my reasoning, I'd rather people consider him independently of my own thoughts
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
February 24 2015 02:32 GMT
#229
On February 24 2015 11:29 Probulous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2015 11:22 yamato77 wrote:
On February 24 2015 11:21 Snarfs wrote:
On February 24 2015 11:19 yamato77 wrote:
ok artanis, you're off the hook for now

##unvote
##vote: _tormented_

Reasons please?

instead of me making a case at this point and people taking their stances on my reasoning, I'd rather people consider him independently of my own thoughts


It's based on this.

Show nested quote +
On February 24 2015 11:16 yamato77 wrote:
On February 24 2015 11:13 _Tormented_ wrote:
lol fine, here ya go before I have to leave work. Take it for what you will.

Player List
1) Probulous (filter) - town
2) Artanis[Xp] (filter) - town or overly aggressive mafia
3) Half the Sky (filter) - town
4) sicklucker (filter) - town
5) Tronak (filter) - no clue
6) Yamato77 (filter) - mafia
7) _Tormented_ (filter) - town
8) Node (filter) - no clue
9) The Shining (filter) - no clue
10) Eden1892 (filter) - either mafia or he is just being obtuse for no reason
11) WaveofShadow (filter) - no clue
12) Damdred (filter) - town
13) snarfs (filter) - no clue

Lol?


As far as I can tell, the combination of calling Sicklucker town when he hasn't posted, and calling Yamato scum is what made him vote.

I quite like Tormented's posting so I disagree.

What do you like about his posting, exactly?
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
February 24 2015 02:32 GMT
#230
On February 24 2015 11:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
Not in a good mood.
Yamato you're town right?
Can we run a train on scum, hopefully after I make an awesome read?

let's do eet.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
February 24 2015 02:39 GMT
#235
On February 24 2015 11:37 Probulous wrote:
These are good posts
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2015 10:02 _Tormented_ wrote:
On February 24 2015 10:00 Eden1892 wrote:
On February 24 2015 09:03 Snarfs wrote:
So, not recognizing the following names:

3) Half the Sky
4) sicklucker
5) Tronak
7) _Tormented_
9) The Shining
10) Eden1892
12) Damdred

I'm curious who the new new players are and how much experience each of the listed people has. Should help me get an idea of what to expect as far as town/mafia capabilities are concerned.

I've never played this game on TL and I am really bad at it in other venues


Trying to out sarcasm damdred?

Show nested quote +
On February 24 2015 10:44 _Tormented_ wrote:
On February 24 2015 10:43 Damdred wrote:
Lol tormented there is no mayor.

Really ask now. Also yam is good shot at...town. discuss while I'm gone


True, but I would have liked to see what he said to the question. lol :p

Both actively looking for responses to try and out scum. Especially the first one picking up that Eden posted almost identically to how Damdred started (which I called out).

Positive intent.
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2015 11:17 _Tormented_ wrote:
sorry meant that town for hts and a no clue for sucklucker

Reasonable explanation to me.

I don't give those posts any credit.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
February 24 2015 02:44 GMT
#238
On February 24 2015 11:40 Damdred wrote:
Hts is scum btw I think.
Tormented might of made a mistake. Hts is scum rhough

eh hts seems ok
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
February 24 2015 02:49 GMT
#245
On February 24 2015 11:44 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2015 11:40 Damdred wrote:
Hts is scum btw I think.
Tormented might of made a mistake. Hts is scum rhough

Might have.
##vote: damdred

?
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
February 24 2015 02:58 GMT
#250
wave read tormented for me
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
February 24 2015 05:59 GMT
#277
So I guess no one is going to play along and actually look at tormented with any sort of scrutiny, I might as well just post my suspicions now and gauge reaction.

Only two people have actually commented on his alignment to any degree, and both of them like the fact that he asked some questions. Mkay. Sure.

However, when one looks at his filter it just seems like someone who simply wants to blend in.

Many of his early game posts are completely fluff and serve no purpose.

He spends time talking about:

RNG

On February 24 2015 09:40 _Tormented_ wrote:
Probulous is right, no sense wasting what will almost definitely be a town lynch. Most day 1s I have been a part of provide some information, but I imagine on a forum like this one the information will either be much greater or much more hidden.


On February 24 2015 10:13 _Tormented_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2015 10:06 Probulous wrote:
On February 24 2015 10:02 Eden1892 wrote:
On February 24 2015 09:31 Probulous wrote:
Precisely

Just getting the ball rolling. You still haven't answered my question, what does it mean to you? To me it means nothing, hence I asked the question.

As for random lynch, over my dead body. We are statistically more likely to get town and more importantly it provides cover for scum to avoid scumhunting in Day 1. No point in wasting a whole day waiting for a lynch that gives us no information.

[citation needed]

On February 24 2015 09:48 Half the Sky wrote:
So which cell are you Artanis?

Also how dirty is your mind going to get this game? Do I want to know?

yes let's get dirty this game


ROFL, what I meant was with 10 townies and 3 mafia, there is a much higher chance on lynching town if the lynch is completely randomised.

Eden, what makes you "bad" at this game?



I would argue that there is a higher chance of lynching town if it is NOT random, but then you would lose out on any information. The theory behind this is that the mafia know each other and the town do not (on average). This leads to mafia not only have a numbers advantage in that there is a higher chance that town get lynched, but they will also work together to absolutely make sure one of their own do not die day one. Granted I am sure they screw up from time to time and do get lynched day 1, but to say that there is a higher chance of lynching town at random, I believe that to be false.


On February 24 2015 10:19 _Tormented_ wrote:
lol, well my post is wrong...at least in non newbie games on here.


Sarcasm

On February 24 2015 10:02 _Tormented_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2015 10:00 Eden1892 wrote:
On February 24 2015 09:03 Snarfs wrote:
So, not recognizing the following names:

3) Half the Sky
4) sicklucker
5) Tronak
7) _Tormented_
9) The Shining
10) Eden1892
12) Damdred

I'm curious who the new new players are and how much experience each of the listed people has. Should help me get an idea of what to expect as far as town/mafia capabilities are concerned.

I've never played this game on TL and I am really bad at it in other venues



Trying to out sarcasm damdred?

On February 24 2015 10:10 _Tormented_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2015 10:03 Eden1892 wrote:
On February 24 2015 10:02 _Tormented_ wrote:
On February 24 2015 10:00 Eden1892 wrote:
On February 24 2015 09:03 Snarfs wrote:
So, not recognizing the following names:

3) Half the Sky
4) sicklucker
5) Tronak
7) _Tormented_
9) The Shining
10) Eden1892
12) Damdred

I'm curious who the new new players are and how much experience each of the listed people has. Should help me get an idea of what to expect as far as town/mafia capabilities are concerned.

I've never played this game on TL and I am really bad at it in other venues



Trying to out sarcasm damdred?

Testing my Bluff rank. Looks like the DC was too high to be meaningful


hmm yeah you were probably missing something critical for your success.


And he asks this stupid question:

On February 24 2015 10:40 _Tormented_ wrote:
@yamato what makes you support Artanis for mayor? Especially without hearing anyone else even lobby for it yet.


Which probulous gives him credit for. eeeehhhhh

Other posts are also just "general information" sort of posts that have little to do with the game.

His only "reads" post is this gem:

On February 24 2015 11:13 _Tormented_ wrote:
lol fine, here ya go before I have to leave work. Take it for what you will.

Player List
1) Probulous (filter) - town
2) Artanis[Xp] (filter) - town or overly aggressive mafia
3) Half the Sky (filter) - town
4) sicklucker (filter) - town
5) Tronak (filter) - no clue
6) Yamato77 (filter) - mafia
7) _Tormented_ (filter) - town
8) Node (filter) - no clue
9) The Shining (filter) - no clue
10) Eden1892 (filter) - either mafia or he is just being obtuse for no reason
11) WaveofShadow (filter) - no clue
12) Damdred (filter) - town
13) snarfs (filter) - no clue


It's believable enough that he "accidentally" called sicklucker town but it's also possible he simply outed himself. Either way, these reads are weak and also evident of thread sentiment. Artanis and I are the only people with fingers pointed at us in the thread, and his reads reflect that rather perfectly.

On February 24 2015 11:22 _Tormented_ wrote:
Not to mention he completely avoids giving any reason for it


In response to me voting him after that post, he says this. Ironic, given that he's given exactly 0 reasons for any of his reads. In the mean time, I'll simply assume they are fabricated and designed to be inconspicuous, like my impression of them would assert. Notably, he thinks I'm mafia and that I'm OMGUSing him but yet I'm the one who voted him and he has yet to place his.

It's not an amazing read, but it's more interesting to me than anything else that has happened thus far. I have yet to read Probulous' case on Damdred but in general I tend to listen to my own reads day 1 more than I trust other people's cases. My initial impression of damdred is that he is playing somewhat different from how I remember but that doesn't mean much with my absence from the game.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
February 24 2015 06:10 GMT
#281
On February 24 2015 15:02 Snarfs wrote:
You have my sword, Yamato.

Thoughts on the Shining and sicklucker's entrance so far? Is this something town does these days?

willing to give the lurkers time

wave, what do you think about what I posted?
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
February 24 2015 06:20 GMT
#289
On February 24 2015 15:17 WaveofShadow wrote:
Am I included it those who 'liked the fact that he asked some questions?' Because I don't think I said anything of the sort. I believe my words were:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2015 12:04 WaveofShadow wrote:
On February 24 2015 10:40 _Tormented_ wrote:
@yamato what makes you support Artanis for mayor? Especially without hearing anyone else even lobby for it yet.

This one is curious.

It's typical new player fare.
He's pretty agreeable and gives the public exactly what they want---this works from both mafia and town perspectives for obvs reasons. I'm historically awful at reading new players and this is no exception tbh.



Now I think there's maybe something to it, but
a) all you're doing is basically taking the 'he must be mafia' side of the inconspicuous newbie argument
b) I'm not sure why you think it has more merit than Prob's point that I've latched onto. I don't really see a towny mindset behind Damdred's retraction.

I thought you were describing him as a curious person, not saying that he perplexes you in some way.

Anyway, I didn't say he had to be mafia, I'm just saying that it is textbook earlygame mafia play. He's not a complete noob, either.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
February 24 2015 06:22 GMT
#290
On February 24 2015 12:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
There is nothing in between these two posts to warrant him backing off.

Show nested quote +
On February 24 2015 11:44 Damdred wrote:
Eden you feel so disconnected and out of it right now. I'm really really worrying you rolled scum with hts

Show nested quote +
On February 24 2015 11:48 Damdred wrote:
Cool stuff wave.

Anyway I'll give Hts some more time but its a gut read on her so far.

That's what he thinks of us

Posturing of the worst and most obvious kind and I'm kinda sad I didn't pick up on it.

also

ehhhhhhhhh
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
February 24 2015 18:13 GMT
#327
I don't particularly like that artanis dropped his case and then peaced out. hm.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
February 24 2015 18:18 GMT
#330
On February 25 2015 03:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
How do you feel about his case? Did it improve on yours at all? Do you feel. More convinced now?

Not very convincing, and he doesn't stick around to legitimize it either.

ehhhhhhhh
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
February 24 2015 22:33 GMT
#428
I think ksc might be mafia.

I remember him being obstinate as town but not altogether unwilling to participate. He was much more forthcoming in the game I played with him.

I still kinda think tormented is town but it's more up in the air with Artanis being on the lynch as well and the question mark I have for him.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
February 24 2015 22:34 GMT
#429
Tormented is mafia***

Don't phone post kids
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
February 24 2015 22:45 GMT
#438
I also tend to think node, sicklucker and tronak are townish.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
February 24 2015 22:54 GMT
#442
On February 25 2015 07:51 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2015 07:33 yamato77 wrote:
I think ksc might be mafia.

I remember him being obstinate as town but not altogether unwilling to participate. He was much more forthcoming in the game I played with him.

I still kinda think tormented is town but it's more up in the air with Artanis being on the lynch as well and the question mark I have for him.


which game?

guilty mini
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
February 24 2015 23:09 GMT
#449
I'm not making unflipped associations, I'm judging my read on a player against how other people are reading them and what I think of the player doing the reading.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
February 24 2015 23:15 GMT
#453
On February 25 2015 08:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2015 08:09 yamato77 wrote:
I'm not making unflipped associations, I'm judging my read on a player against how other people are reading them and what I think of the player doing the reading.

You're lessening a scumread on someone because someone you don't scumread but see as a "question mark" also scumreads him. I'd expect that from Vivax, but not you.

sick vivax burn

My read isn't weaker, it's simply that I'm unsure about committing to the lynch. The two are different.
Writer@WriterYamato
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