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On February 25 2015 01:44 Node wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2015 00:47 Damdred wrote:On February 24 2015 17:48 Node wrote:On February 24 2015 15:53 Damdred wrote:
I never threw any shit honestly I think Hts is scum, Eden is potential scum based off of meta at this point.
There are always two sides of giving someone a chance they give you more evidence to help secure a lynch, or they come in and proove they are town.
HTS is a very capable town player, sometimes she gets tricked but still a good player. Very capable of looking town with original thoughts.
So why can't their be town motivation in making sure I don't get tunneled on something hours into a game when Hts hasn't even broken a page quite yet, bit has said some questionable things. I have no issues with people backing off a read, but you can't keep saying you think people are "potential scum" or have said "questionable things" without actually putting some substance behind it. Make a case! Scum doesn't care about a few people maybe being iffy about them, they care about hard cases that put them in the spotlight. you seemingly haven't read the whole thread or only skimmed as I answered why I think both are scummy. This is interesting post OMGUS harder, why don't you? It's a little annoying how one of the default responses to criticism is "did you even READ?" I read your filter. You've quoted none of the people you say are suspicious, you haven't engaged any of them directly, and you're straight. A key tell for a mafia is indecisiveness, and what people are picking up on isn't that you're backing off on your reads, it's that they were barely there to begin with. It's as if they were practically set up just to be backed off of later, or inconsequential enough that you wouldn't have to follow through. Here's what I'm talking about: Show nested quote +On February 24 2015 13:04 Damdred wrote:
though pr is most interesting person in the thread Show nested quote +On February 24 2015 11:44 Damdred wrote:
Eden you feel so disconnected and out of it right now. I'm really really worrying you rolled scum with hts Now, I want to make it clear that I don't think you're scum. Yet. (a blatant OMGUS isn't helping) But I do think your posts have done little more than gum up the thread. It's one thing to call my post "interesting" and start to get people thinking about me. It's another to actually say what I did was scummy and why.
RNG was so pure. This post bleeds red to me
Something about the sequence here reads "let me make several arguments for why you're mafia and then say that I don't suspect you but leave the door open for doing so later"
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On February 25 2015 03:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also Snarfs, that's the second time you're asking someone for an opinion on me without giving your own. What's up buddy?
I also want more comments on my case.
I can vote for that case
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On February 25 2015 04:58 Blazinghand wrote:
Effective immediately, Half the Sky has been replaced by KelsierSC
plynch kelsier
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On February 25 2015 06:14 sicklucker wrote:
Snarf is town because his first post was asking about players he didnt know. This is the strongest opening because as town its also what I want to know and It was my opening to answer it.
Dandred is town because Ive played him as mafia 3 times and he just lurked. When he leads the discusion day1 hes always been town in like 9 games ive played with him as town. Ive had this read for quite awile and im glad we finally both rolled town for once so I can use it.
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oh boo kelsier and sicklucker probs can't both be mafia
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I think HTS replaced out because she's mafia, now to go read the thread for people who probably aren't mafia due to that
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Actually I lied, I'm looking at filters instead.
Town pile:
Probulous
Artanis
sicklucker
Damdred
me
Wave?
Scum pile:
Kelsier
Null pile:
A lot of people lol
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On February 25 2015 06:32 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2015 06:31 Eden1892 wrote:
I think HTS replaced out because she's mafia, now to go read the thread for people who probably aren't mafia due to that you don't actually believe that
Yeah I do. I distinctly thought to myself "where is HTS? I know she wasn't scared off b/c I mentioned 1-to-1 time" at work today. Then I read the thread and after earlygame fun she was really absent. Then she replaced out, which is alignment-indicative according to stats both on TL and mafiascum [citation needed I know I know but trust me it's true], and then your posts since you got in the thread aren't really making me think you're town either.
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Oh yeah Node is more okay in my book for his reply when I questioned him. It didn't actually reply to anything I said but it read like town. Shrug
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On February 25 2015 06:36 Eden1892 wrote:
Oh yeah Node is more okay in my book for his reply when I questioned him. It didn't actually reply to anything I said but it read like town. Shrug
= null
still didn't like the post I quoted at all but I liked his response to me calling it out
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On February 25 2015 07:12 Node wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2015 06:26 sicklucker wrote:On February 25 2015 06:23 WaveofShadow wrote:
You had to post 6 times For that? Hi this is my posting style deal witth it We might deal with it by lynching you. Can we not turn this into a spamfest? Seriously, I don't have the time to deal with hundreds of pointless posts a day. And speaking of pointless posts, let's have a quick gander at what Tronak has had to say so far. Show nested quote +On February 24 2015 22:21 Tronak wrote:
After re-reading all, Going to throw some open questions and my thinkings about them:
1) Snarfs, why would you suggest a RNG voting being town and a veteran player?
Either was a simple way to make fellow townies show up them selves or in my newbie opinion should be read as a scummy post.
2) Artanis' opening: why would you introduce Mayors voting if game setup is given?
Opening joke? Mayor is usually a starting point and you didnt read game setup? This follows another game? If not, I would read your post as mafia. If yes, is
-Yamato quickly (1min later) votes for lyching Artanis . And Mayor joke appears again. Why?
I can only read 2 mafias trying to create confusion, but I would be happy to hear what you both think about this.
3) Tormented throws his bomb list.
Want to think, Tormented thought similar to me (above) and when pressured by Artanis to give his reads made a quick list pointing out both names (Artanis and Yamato). Would mafia do this? I dont think so, it was too early from my point of view, too much to lose.
4) Probulous accuses Damdred: I like Probolous' read and arguments given against Damdred so much that when I first read his post all my senses were focused on analysing Damdred's following posts. Up to this point, I think Probolous wins the mini batle and Damdred will need to give futher arguments to convince me about his alignment.
5) Yamato appears again to switch completly thread's focus and focus on Tormented again giving good arguments based on filtered history. Snarfs looks like aproving this switch very fast and Artanis pushes this line further in his last post.
If Yamato/Snarf or Artanis were mafia, would they like to lynch a "tormented" townie and use this line to save a suspected Damdred? Sure!
Conclusion: despite all guides about Mafia I have read suggest scum wouldn't be so active in the first hours of the game, from my point of view so far, all makes me think that at least 1 or 2 scums must be between the list of names mentioned in this post (with no exceptions). However I can't arrive to single point any of them and the innocents should also be very valuable for the town. I see the names not mentioned in this post as townies so far. So, I hope your answers for my wall of text clear my way.
"Here's a bunch of things that have happened so far. Some of these people might be scum, but they all feel like town." Show nested quote +On February 25 2015 03:16 Tronak wrote:On February 25 2015 02:57 Snarfs wrote:
Tronak, you left Node off your list. Your thoughts please? Actually some points: -He pointed out before me the scummy sense of your RNG voting post. Since I had same, "maybe" unexperienced, reading while i was reading your post, my first impression was to feel aligned with him, therefore should be townie to my eyes. -About voting on you so directly = since he posted that his reason was just a "grain of salt" I suspect is just a move to push you = townie again to get information about you. - Recently he pushes agressively Damdred which I can only applaud since I look forward for more information about this last one. (to my eyes this should be townie post again, or.... could be mafia move to save Tormented, in case he is mafia). "Here's what Node has done. He might be town, but he might also be mafia."
Overall, I don't have a read on Tronak yet, but that's because he hasn't actually said anything. I'm willing to cut him some slack for being totally new, but if he doesn't step it up soon and get some posts that go above sounding desperate to contribute, I'm going to get a lot more suspicious. Show nested quote +On February 25 2015 05:33 Snarfs wrote:+ Show Spoiler +There we go. Here's what I have written on Node: On February 25 2015 02:55 Snarfs wrote:
Once I get to work I'll probably dig through some of Node's recent games. I don't know much about his play except that he's been around for awhile. Following up a bit, I'm less convinced that Node's opener indicates he is mafia. Keep in mind these were games from ~2.5 years ago, but if he hasn't played mafia in between then there's no indication that he would have changed so it's all I've got to go on. From Death Note mafia (Node as town detective): + Show Spoiler +On September 01 2012 09:19 Node wrote:I'm going to vote for BlackMamba. Here's why: Show nested quote +One scum almost always takes it upon themselves to make large posts early on and establish themselves as very very "pro-town". They love buzzwords like "anti-town" and other stupid things like that. I just can't see any reason for a townie to spend that much time, early in the game, establishing their townieness unless there is a mayoral election or something like that. This is such an incredibly wrong and scummy statement that it's unbelievable. Think about what it means for just a second. Mamba is saying that going out of your way to establish your townieness is unnecessary -- even scummy. It's even one of the first rules in Ver's guide: establish your own innocence in order to create a good atmospere and make it easier to find scum. (forgive me for not citing it directly at this moment; my resources are limited) Now, why would he want to enforce this? Only scum could possibly want to establish an atmosphere where showing your innocence is a bad thing. There's also the insinuation that claiming self-aware miller is a poor choice, the questionable case against Hapa (dismissed with an "I wasn't-really-trying" excuse), and the statement that voting for someone doing as little as Palmar would actually be a bad idea. All of this comes together to show somebody that isn't trying to establish a pro-town atmosphere, is pushing the wrong targets, and is definitely scum. ##vote BlackMamba24 What I read here is a very pressure-oriented tactic. It feels very similar to how he opened up against me. He focuses in on a single player and doesn't waver at all in his assertion that this player must be mafia because of a single thing they said. He also doesn't drop any town reads. From Liquid City mafia (Node as mafia goon): + Show Spoiler +On October 01 2012 17:40 Node wrote:I don't think Shady Sands is scum -- at least, not given what we've seen so far. His "trolling" antics were silly, but they weren't scummy. If he were scum, I don't think he would've dropped the trolling pretext so quickly, and I certainly don't think he would be willing to reappear and start pushing targets. Now, kush on the other hand has been talking a lot about absolutely nothing. Seeing as he considers his vote on Shady absolutely inconsequential so far ("My vote for Shady had nothing to do with a scumread of any sort"), he's sure spent an awful lot of time discussing it. Weirdly enough, he justifies his current vote by saying he doesn't have any scum reads, yet has also thrown a few FoS's around. So, we see his vote that doesn't matter (yet) on someone he doesn't care about, instead of actually pushing the rather perfunctory cases he's made so far, possibly just so he can look like he's actually contributing. So, I'll actually put my vote where my mouth is. ##vote kushm4staShow nested quote +On October 01 2012 14:30 Z-BosoN wrote:
##FoS Coagulation
Shitty one-liners and refuses to explain anything. Either very arrogant or wants to pretend he is actually contributing. Bolded for emphasis. This is pretty much exactly how Coagulation plays every game. If he's town, in a day or two he'll come up with a handful of proper scum reads to tunnel for the rest of the game, about half of which will be correct. Contrast this with Node's opener as mafia. Here he's making sure to comment on something else going on in the thread. He's dropping town reads to fit in. "Hmm Shady Sands is probably not scum. He's silly but not scummy... hmm maybe we can look at someone else and here's a decent reason why." And then he continues to comment on some other pieces of information. This right here is the kind of thing I like to see. (and not just because it concludes I'm town)
ok, do it once, I can give a pass with a decent-sounding answer
do it TWICE? no way
who do you actually scumread if all of your would-be cases turn into "I don't actually read him mafia yet"?
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and yes I know the quotations are you summarizing someone else's comments, I just highlighted them to point out the irony of you soft-accusing someone for this when you literally have done it twice now
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On February 25 2015 07:33 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2015 07:31 Eden1892 wrote:
and yes I know the quotations are you summarizing someone else's comments, I just highlighted them to point out the irony of you soft-accusing someone for this when you literally have done it twice now so node is ? please say null to keep the combo going
no lol
he's back to being mafia in my book
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On February 25 2015 08:07 Damdred wrote:
Though Eden bothers me a ton, really aloof of the thread only taking shots from the sideline lacks follow up on earlier things
Suddenly I want to lynch Eden.,,
what are you talking about
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On February 25 2015 08:01 KelsierSC wrote:
I think i've gone down totally the wrong path because I just have the two new players as mafia right now.
I'm going to reread this shit.
what happened to having like 4-5 scumreads
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On February 24 2015 11:42 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2015 11:13 _Tormented_ wrote:
lol fine, here ya go before I have to leave work. Take it for what you will.
Player List
1) Probulous (filter) - town
2) Artanis[Xp] (filter) - town or overly aggressive mafia
3) Half the Sky (filter) - town
4) sicklucker (filter) - town
5) Tronak (filter) - no clue
6) Yamato77 (filter) - mafia
7) _Tormented_ (filter) - town
8) Node (filter) - no clue
9) The Shining (filter) - no clue
10) Eden1892 (filter) - either mafia or he is just being obtuse for no reason
11) WaveofShadow (filter) - no clue
12) Damdred (filter) - town
13) snarfs (filter) - no clue i need explanations for like half of these also lol @ a read on sicklucker
1) did this explanation ever come? i didn't see it
2) what yamato said, on top of explaining the old reads please update and explain the updates. tia
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>complete change of opinion on Damdred while some people (iirc) still scumread him
>"yeah he's hedging his bets about whether thread wants to lynch Damdred"
do you even read
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##UNVOTE
##VOTE: _Tormented_
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On February 25 2015 08:25 Damdred wrote:
Seriously eden, last night I explained my misgivings on you and hts. You asked I answered, after I answered wave took over. You haven't really responded to that still.
You reentered the thread called for policy lynch didn't act on it moved on to picking on node. Nowback to ksc.
You just aren't trying to figure things out but have the appearance at this point
you keep saying things without backing any of it up, what am I supposed to do about that? and "wave took over" lol what even is that
"picking on Node"? are both of you blind? I scumread Node for making this big post on you that all but called you mafia then put you in null/not necessarily mafia. He had a decent reply so I backed off of it. Then he did it again with Tarnok. That's pretty suspicious behavior to me, the only reason I'm off of it is b/c I did think Node's response to my first callout was ok and I read Artanis town and he's telling me he thinks Node is townish.
I want Tormented to explain his initial reads and then tell me what's changed in all the posts in-between.
Still think KSC is mafia b/c HTS wasn't doing anything (which is completely opposite her town game) and KSC hasn't done anything townie since he reentered the thread
This is so dumb that I even have to explain this. I'm pretty obviously town if you compare to any of my mafia games
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On February 25 2015 08:29 _Tormented_ wrote:left field? You start losing the argument against damred and ksc so you try and pile on me?
I remembered you never answered my initial probe about your reads list when yamato mentioned that you should reevaluate. I'm not losing shit, how about you actually followup instead of deflecting?
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