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Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
February 17 2015 21:39 GMT
#2282
20 mins and I'll be home. My fault for posting whilst working at the cafe. Hopefully Part 3 is somewhat readable.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
February 17 2015 21:46 GMT
#2287
On February 18 2015 06:40 Fecalfeast wrote:
1. read my filter I made multiple posts about LS
2. Meta can be faked.
3. Been asleep and now there's a wagon on me, priorities.
4. MY bad.
5. So my 'easy way out' is to scumread someone who most people are townreading? ok

I'm going to flip town, sorry to disappoint you HtS you made such a nice case.


1 Done at least 3x now. I am disputing the approach you have taken in those posts NOT THE FACT YOU MADE THEM. Context please.
2 And you aren't determining for yourself IF THAT META IS FAKED.
3 LOL? The events I have described are happening either WHILST you were in thread or when you were awake.
4 You've done enough of it (frequency) that I can conclude you are misleading in your evaluation of LS.
5 Those that know him are mostly townreading, those that don't, don't appear to be or aren't focusing on him.

You're not town by a country mile.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
February 17 2015 22:50 GMT
#2340
Robik, my other scumreads are Ritoky, Breshke, Rayn, with a lean on prplhz.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
February 17 2015 22:54 GMT
#2346
On February 18 2015 07:52 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2015 07:50 Half the Sky wrote:
Robik, my other scumreads are Ritoky, Breshke, Rayn, with a lean on prplhz.

So no on my deal?


1 I'm not scum, so posting PMs with the scum QT isn't going to happen and I'm not going to get myself modkilled.
2 Even if somehow by the infintessimally small chance you are town, you are sure as hell not the towniest town that ever towned.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
February 17 2015 22:57 GMT
#2349
Fecalfeast, you're not town, nor are you convincing you are remotely so the way you are going right now.

I'm off to bed, it's already 11pm. And I need to sleep. Good night everyone.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
February 18 2015 13:53 GMT
#2465
Regarding VA:

NYE: Didn't do jack all D1. I pushed his lynch (I was VT) and he was lynched D1, and he flipped VT.
Void: Didn't do jack all D1. I did NOT scumlist him based on meta. I was scum in Void, and he only sheeped someone else to getting me lynched D2. Other than that did jack all D2. Only after I got lynched, he did work starting N2 by reading my filter, etc. VA was mason in that game.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
February 18 2015 14:00 GMT
#2468
I also see BH finally has something other than RNG in making an actual scum argument against VA, so I'm going to check that out as well as a game in which VA actually was scum. He has thrown out nonsensical BS before as town so if I can highlight the key differences in a scum VA game this could go a long way.

Also Rasputin, I conceded that LS was town way earlier than you are stating in your post. That was pretty darn early in the day I questioned LS on the Robik read, and LS maintains he's had the adequate exposure to FF though it might help if you LS, could give a specific rundown of the games. I know one of them was Carol which was a clusterfuck for all of us going into our first large normal and evaluating gameplay, but highlighting the mini normals should help.

Still that wasn't even my biggest issue with him.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
February 18 2015 14:04 GMT
#2472
On February 18 2015 23:04 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2015 22:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Basically va needs a mafia flip to play. He doesn't give any fucks about the game until then.


That may be true. Meh. So you don't think he's town; you just know he can't be read until there's a mafia flip? Do you mind actually naming a game he's been in that demonstrates this? Otherwise it's going to have to wait until I get home from work, cause I don't have the time to dig it up right now.


I just named one Rasputin - Void. He did jack all until I flipped D2.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
February 18 2015 14:09 GMT
#2475
On February 18 2015 23:02 rsoultin wrote:
Is your biggest issue still that he had a different opinion on your case? Cause I thought his explanation for that was fine. I get different opinions on things when I reread all the time lol


One of the two quotes you took I had the complete opposite opinion on when he was evaluating LS. LS stated a reason for his change in vote to BH and that was the counterclaim, which FF tried to scumread him for having a sudden change of opinion even though that opinion was substantiated by what I think is a critical event - a counterclaim. Also consider that LS (as I recall) commented on how long in advance of EoD BH claimed. Neither of us know BH's meta, so that comment is completely justified on his end to come to that conclusion for the voteswitch. I could highlight FF's thoughts on LS as a shit read if that quote was taken by itself but he had compiled multiple ideas/quotes on LS, so it obviously wasn't isolated.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
February 18 2015 14:10 GMT
#2477
On February 18 2015 23:07 Damdred wrote:
I just keep passing out at night.

HTS idk if what you say is true he still did jack all in void after your flip to.


Then again, Void was a game where a lot of people just AFKed after my lynch in general. Could have been an outlier.

I'm going to take a look at 1-2 VA scum games and see if I can ferret out any key differences. Hold on...
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
February 18 2015 14:15 GMT
#2479
Going to look at VA's scum play in his most recent two games recorded in the database:
You only shoot once (scum vigi)
Guilty Mini (scum vanilla)

If anyone knows of anything more recent than that, please post a link, or comment if you played in either of these two games. YOSO looks to be an April game, Guilty was in August.

Cheers.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
February 18 2015 14:32 GMT
#2485
Well in general from what I'm seeing so far:

YOSO is a Ver game, which he's expressed preference for as it's a super low post count game. So I could see him post insane (in comparison) as either alignment. Key differences I'm seeing there is he's actually quoting people in making arguments and arguing why certain people are better lynches than others, just more substantial arguments in general than I'm used to seeing him do. Then he complains when he's putting in too much work.

Moved on to Guilty to remove that pro-Ver bias - might have to go to SMB mini and check that out too, but in guilty he's posting way more and his "reads" look again, more substantiated, posting style is different. Tried to do a day-by-day meta read, since most people defending him are based off a D1 jack all meta.

On August 25 2014 09:39 Hapahauli wrote:
As for Vayne, I've posted stuff on him before.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465098-guilty-mini-mafia?page=70#1397

Him representing himself as "helpful" early on, generally looking like he's trying hard, then leaving his vote on Damdred is pretty bad.


On August 25 2014 09:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
VA So again, the heuristic for the most part goes, Lazy useless VA = town, tryhard VA = scum. He has muddled with this a little in a few later games but the most part I'm able to catch him out when it's needed. This time his town play seems to fit but I think as someone else may (or may not have?) pointed out, it looks as though he is actively and very obviously trying to muddle with his meta this time around by talking about himself and his activity:


That might be the key constrast here to read VA as town D1 which I did. For D2, most so far, he's done jack all. I guess the question now is whether people here think he's muddling his meta or if there's a possibility he does jack all as scum.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
February 18 2015 14:40 GMT
#2490
At this point in time, though I have yet to go through BH's PBPA, I am not convinced VA is scum. Don't recall the substantial tryharding though I'm seeing in his scum games.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
February 18 2015 14:41 GMT
#2491
On February 18 2015 23:23 prplhz wrote:
does anyone see anything indicating that rayn isn't scum?


I already made one post way back why he is scum, and how he's overreaching, but someone also needs to comment from a meta standpoint on activity. For a veteran whose play I understand is highly praised as either alignment his reads are pretty shallow and Ras has already caught him once out for half-reading. In contrast, Palmar might also be sporadic but the reads and logic are clear. Slam made an argument earlier that Rayn is more readable than he presently is, so that gives me even more confidence that Rayn is scum.

Prphlz, what do you think on Rayn trying to get you lynched for the reasons he stated?

This is another indicator that he could be going for an easy lynch.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
February 18 2015 14:43 GMT
#2492
On February 18 2015 16:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##vote: prplhz

I am going vote for purplehaze because he hasn't have done anything to even try to solve this game. He is just calling me and Palmar useless (like are we the only two people in this game?). But then his decision is i am mafia (which is wrong).


On February 18 2015 18:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Meh... we should lynch prplhz as noone wants to kill hts anyways.
That one is on you guys this game because she is mafia.


Pretty shallow reads for someone of his calibre. Massive red flag folks.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
February 18 2015 14:50 GMT
#2497
Well I've been scumreading Rayn for ages as I have been Fecalfeast and Ritoky, so I have absolutely no problem switching to Rayn at all. It's going to come down to consolidation if this town continues to be fractured.

He's calling FF town and his town reads (e.g. VA) are also "easy" reads. So those are more red flags.

I'll read Slytherin especially as the time constraint issue is parallel to this one.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
February 18 2015 15:05 GMT
#2504
On February 18 2015 23:51 Damdred wrote:
Rayn isn't pushing any reads, his scum reads are haphazard at best with no real follow up. His town reads are super easy to make and seem to come from nothing at points.


Insane filter in Slytherin, and even comments in Slytherin he doesn't give a fuck when he RNGs scum.

Also reading through the Slytherin filter, you can tell the logic in the reads even when he's wrong on reads, the logical progression to the next person is there. Particularly when he says when he's wrong on X he will move on to sicklucker.

I don't recall him having a backup scumread after me, and he just throws his vote on prplhz. No pushing me at all.

Yeh, Rayn also definitely falls into the lynch with fire category.

##unvote
##vote raynpelikoneet
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
February 18 2015 15:09 GMT
#2508
Palmar, what do you think of Robik?

I played with Robik in Hammertime and he largely AFKed, geript said the key indicator with Robik as scum is that his filter is shit. What do you think of Rob's filter?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
February 18 2015 15:11 GMT
#2509
EDIT: I'm an idiot. You were in Hammertime with me, but we MLed you for killing Toad.

Robik was AFK but geript called him out post-game for having a short filter, and GB called him out for not having very substantial insight into his reads or something, and Robik basically took advantage of me tunnelling on GB the entire game.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
February 18 2015 16:24 GMT
#2517
There are people outside that list of 7 that have called you out, and I think there's a reason for that outside activity. Damdred at least made a comparison controlling for your activity, so you clearly need to do better than that.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
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