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On February 15 2015 07:27 Breshke wrote:
The emoticon thing is normal for her. She got called out on it when she was mafia for not using them enough. I don't know if this is more or less than her town emoticons nor do I think it is really worth trying to discern alignment from.
The unnecessary adjective thing sounds good though. Ritoky could you explain to me why this would be scummy.
Ooh, ooh, I know, I know. *raises hand and waves it back and forth*
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On February 15 2015 07:28 ritoky wrote:on a completely unrelated note, while exploring other things I forgot about my childhood thanks to slam; I stumbled across this gem: ![[image loading]](http://static.tumblr.com/5b07a42a3cef093284068173111715ca/8rgqepv/WdDmk4vjp/tumblr_static_n0epdlpecu7-_-disney-s-recess-the-barnaby-boy.jpg) can you name the people in this picture slam?
'The General', Carlton, Arnold from hey arnold with his head rotated 90º, Racist Randy, Cartman, Ellen DeGeneres
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On February 15 2015 07:28 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 07:19 Fecalfeast wrote:On February 15 2015 07:15 Breshke wrote:On February 15 2015 07:08 Fecalfeast wrote:oh, ok. I accidentally closed my catchup post with all my quote tabs and restoring my tabs lost all of it. Shoddily putting it back together...
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You literally used the wording "randomized policy lynch".
There is nothing randomized in your lynch suggestion on BH. I dislike how rayn gets so bent out of shape over semantics here. Not productive at all. On February 15 2015 00:17 Half the Sky wrote:Honestly not having played with BH before, I'm going to ignore his RNG-stuff, it is my understanding he does this as both alignments. (If this is wrong, someone correct me.) I personally think it's unproductive and anti-town. What I DO want to focus on is this though: Show nested quote +On February 14 2015 15:49 Blazinghand wrote:On February 14 2015 15:47 Half the Sky wrote:
I had previously scumread him because compared to what he normally posts all of D1, which is jack all, I think in comparison, he was posting too much within the first few bits of the game here, though he's (reasonably) countering that it's because of the weird start time.
Well, objectively I'm choosing to scumread him because he got RNGed. Do you deny that he got RNGed? It was truly random and gives us a 30% chance to lynch scum, which is way better than any other case so far. The real question here is why aren't you voting VA yet Show nested quote +On February 14 2015 15:56 Blazinghand wrote:
Fine, let's say that reason is crap, he still has a 30% chance to flip scum, and RNG has never failed me, even once. Vote him.
Right now, I'm interpreting this as him trying to justify a scumread, and then when I call him on it (particularly since I had the opposite read based on meta at that time) he backtracks and calls it crap. So this to me is scumlike. Thoughts? HtS has trouble reading BH's post where he explicitly admits to forging the read on VA from nothing. Continues to do so for next couple pages. Not sure this is mafia but to keep saying "I re-read twice and BH's filter twice" and not see what everyone else sees is a little strange. Maybe coming from a different viewpoint it really is confusing...  On February 15 2015 00:26 prplhz wrote:
does anybody know what's going on in this thread Is this the first post from this player? If so, yuck. On February 15 2015 00:32 Palmar wrote:
I am down for bluehunting prplhz btw. On February 15 2015 00:43 Palmar wrote:
prplhz, who do you think are the blues? Also, how do you think we should go about identifying blues?
I am 100% serious here, I am going to try to figure out blue roles with you. at first I was like "Palmar read the OP and is trying to bait people who haven't" On February 15 2015 00:45 Palmar wrote:
oh wait, the blues are the mafia? then I was like ".....really?" On February 15 2015 00:49 Palmar wrote:
Like I had this entire thing ready where I was going to talk about how blues were more likely to be agreeable with things without actually pushing them, probably not at the forefront of any pushes and probably not going to be hyper active either and then I was gonna point out how exactly those same attributes apply to mafia and look really smart.
But I think prplhz actually outsmarted me. I must now commit sudoku. now I think he's not lying and that prplhz actually caught him. On February 15 2015 00:31 IAmRobik wrote:
I want to bury HtS, but I don't want to do so incorrectly. I just read what she writes and I'm flabbergasted that she is saying the shit she's saying.
1) As someone brought up, it was the fact that she wasn't getting anywhere with her 20 questions
2) she brings up shit that doesn't make logical sense...like what does me discussing the values of having "conversations" have to do with her playing the aforementioned 20 questions and then not giving thoughts on opinions on the people she's grilling? And what does MY version of playing the game have to do with HER version of playing the game (and why is that supposed to influence how I read her?)
These baffling questions are something I must find an answer to. Agreeing with robik is the first sign of insanity, right? I've gotta see a doctor On February 15 2015 04:07 Town Puppy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2015 16:08 Half the Sky wrote:On February 14 2015 16:05 Fecalfeast wrote:
What is there to comment on? He thinks my posting is unnatural. There's nothing to refute or discuss on that point..
Now I'm slightly annoyed by how seriously you take everything... This is generally how I play town. I've played with you before. And Ritoky might have a point here. You don't seem comfortable here. But even if you aren't comfortable with me, why not interact with the others? OK so this is kind of a bizarre question to me. Two reasons why: (1) It's so... buzzy. What does that question even mean? It sounds like she's just mentioning something off a mental checklist of things to talk about, almost. I'm calling it the checklist test. (2) I felt like FF was "interacting with the others" which makes (1) even stranger. Aww I like this puppy On February 15 2015 04:54 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 04:45 Town Puppy wrote:On February 15 2015 04:22 rsoultin wrote:
Waffling on a player is interesting enough anyway, but when you're not interacting with anyone?
1. HtS is mafia because she claimed miller and they're unaware...maybe?
2. Claiming miller is a town move and you're going to claim miller. (Is this an official claim, or what? And if you're miller and going to claim, then it follows that millers are aware, so what's with the first post?)
3. You don't like this post by HtS because it's "strange."
What's your conclusion, Puppy, or do we have to wait for you to finish discussing it with yourself first? It is interesting to be accused of waffling when I haven't given an opinion on whether HtS is mafia yet. (1) Do you have an issue with this point? (2) Of course it's not. I would be hard-cc'ing and trying to lynch her otherwise. (3) I think I explained why it's strange, non? Care to comment on that instead? I have an issue that you can't seem to make up your mind from post to post...or rather are making post after post without your read going anywhere. ^^ What's the point of that? And lol xP you seem to be really stretching for that evaluation of her post. I find it strange that she accepts another player's judgment on FF's comfort level with the thread and gets into a "you're not comfortable" "yes I am" argument back and forth with FF, not any silliness you were posting about xP please show me this back and forth argument please, I don't remember it.
from my reading I have these reads rayn - scumlean palmar - scumlean LS- town HtS - scum puppydog- townlean/null superbia - scumlean If I missed any quotes let me know I'm pretty tilted about losing my last post Where did the scumlean on superbia come from? You think a scum palmar "gets caught" wanting to hunt for power roles. I think that is a bad read. super has less than a page of filter and spends most of it talking about BH's RNG post when he claimed to have a scumread on rayn. When rayn asks about the scumread, super goes AWOL for 13 hours? scummy. Ok, maybe palmar's not that bad, it still seems scummy to me. Almost like a cocky "you caught me but who cares?" So you think superbias scumread of rayn was serious?
I think it was pointless. If he was joking, why would he say:
On February 14 2015 18:49 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2015 18:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Superbia explain your scumread and stop talking about irrelevant shit. You think HtS is scum?
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On February 14 2015 18:55 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2015 18:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 14 2015 18:49 Superbia wrote:On February 14 2015 18:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Superbia explain your scumread and stop talking about irrelevant shit. You think HtS is scum? No i don't i am obviously just talking shit.... What? It was all a joke or some shit?
if he was joking around ?
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ugh that was a redundant post, remove one "if he was joking" from that post at your own discretion
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On February 15 2015 07:42 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 07:37 ritoky wrote:On February 15 2015 07:27 Breshke wrote:
The emoticon thing is normal for her. She got called out on it when she was mafia for not using them enough. I don't know if this is more or less than her town emoticons nor do I think it is really worth trying to discern alignment from.
The unnecessary adjective thing sounds good though. Ritoky could you explain to me why this would be scummy. lots of reasons nervous people talk too much scum care too much about how they are perceived and getting the meaning right some times scum read and edit their posts and leave tons of extra crap in there there's lots of raisins, pick some. lol, one of these days I'll invest in a sarcasm sign xP It's sorely needed. Must say, though, you may actually be town this game ^^ as these arguments are a tier above the ones you tried to use to justify taking a shot at me in carol. Also, FF, dude, if you can't remember the stupid argument you had with HtS about whether you were posting comfortably or not, don't know how to help you. Alzheimers is real xP
You said we went back and forth with 'you're uncomfortable' and 'no I'm not' I don't think we did. I think I said something more similar to "I don't care what you think of my posting"
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On February 15 2015 07:42 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 07:34 Fecalfeast wrote:On February 15 2015 07:28 Breshke wrote:On February 15 2015 07:19 Fecalfeast wrote:On February 15 2015 07:15 Breshke wrote:On February 15 2015 07:08 Fecalfeast wrote:oh, ok. I accidentally closed my catchup post with all my quote tabs and restoring my tabs lost all of it. Shoddily putting it back together...
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You literally used the wording "randomized policy lynch".
There is nothing randomized in your lynch suggestion on BH. I dislike how rayn gets so bent out of shape over semantics here. Not productive at all. On February 15 2015 00:17 Half the Sky wrote:Honestly not having played with BH before, I'm going to ignore his RNG-stuff, it is my understanding he does this as both alignments. (If this is wrong, someone correct me.) I personally think it's unproductive and anti-town. What I DO want to focus on is this though: Show nested quote +On February 14 2015 15:49 Blazinghand wrote:On February 14 2015 15:47 Half the Sky wrote:
I had previously scumread him because compared to what he normally posts all of D1, which is jack all, I think in comparison, he was posting too much within the first few bits of the game here, though he's (reasonably) countering that it's because of the weird start time.
Well, objectively I'm choosing to scumread him because he got RNGed. Do you deny that he got RNGed? It was truly random and gives us a 30% chance to lynch scum, which is way better than any other case so far. The real question here is why aren't you voting VA yet Show nested quote +On February 14 2015 15:56 Blazinghand wrote:
Fine, let's say that reason is crap, he still has a 30% chance to flip scum, and RNG has never failed me, even once. Vote him.
Right now, I'm interpreting this as him trying to justify a scumread, and then when I call him on it (particularly since I had the opposite read based on meta at that time) he backtracks and calls it crap. So this to me is scumlike. Thoughts? HtS has trouble reading BH's post where he explicitly admits to forging the read on VA from nothing. Continues to do so for next couple pages. Not sure this is mafia but to keep saying "I re-read twice and BH's filter twice" and not see what everyone else sees is a little strange. Maybe coming from a different viewpoint it really is confusing... On February 15 2015 00:26 prplhz wrote:
does anybody know what's going on in this thread Is this the first post from this player? If so, yuck. On February 15 2015 00:32 Palmar wrote:
I am down for bluehunting prplhz btw. On February 15 2015 00:43 Palmar wrote:
prplhz, who do you think are the blues? Also, how do you think we should go about identifying blues?
I am 100% serious here, I am going to try to figure out blue roles with you. at first I was like "Palmar read the OP and is trying to bait people who haven't" On February 15 2015 00:45 Palmar wrote:
oh wait, the blues are the mafia? then I was like ".....really?" On February 15 2015 00:49 Palmar wrote:
Like I had this entire thing ready where I was going to talk about how blues were more likely to be agreeable with things without actually pushing them, probably not at the forefront of any pushes and probably not going to be hyper active either and then I was gonna point out how exactly those same attributes apply to mafia and look really smart.
But I think prplhz actually outsmarted me. I must now commit sudoku. now I think he's not lying and that prplhz actually caught him. On February 15 2015 00:31 IAmRobik wrote:
I want to bury HtS, but I don't want to do so incorrectly. I just read what she writes and I'm flabbergasted that she is saying the shit she's saying.
1) As someone brought up, it was the fact that she wasn't getting anywhere with her 20 questions
2) she brings up shit that doesn't make logical sense...like what does me discussing the values of having "conversations" have to do with her playing the aforementioned 20 questions and then not giving thoughts on opinions on the people she's grilling? And what does MY version of playing the game have to do with HER version of playing the game (and why is that supposed to influence how I read her?)
These baffling questions are something I must find an answer to. Agreeing with robik is the first sign of insanity, right? I've gotta see a doctor On February 15 2015 04:07 Town Puppy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2015 16:08 Half the Sky wrote:On February 14 2015 16:05 Fecalfeast wrote:
What is there to comment on? He thinks my posting is unnatural. There's nothing to refute or discuss on that point..
Now I'm slightly annoyed by how seriously you take everything... This is generally how I play town. I've played with you before. And Ritoky might have a point here. You don't seem comfortable here. But even if you aren't comfortable with me, why not interact with the others? OK so this is kind of a bizarre question to me. Two reasons why: (1) It's so... buzzy. What does that question even mean? It sounds like she's just mentioning something off a mental checklist of things to talk about, almost. I'm calling it the checklist test. (2) I felt like FF was "interacting with the others" which makes (1) even stranger. Aww I like this puppy On February 15 2015 04:54 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 04:45 Town Puppy wrote:On February 15 2015 04:22 rsoultin wrote:
Waffling on a player is interesting enough anyway, but when you're not interacting with anyone?
1. HtS is mafia because she claimed miller and they're unaware...maybe?
2. Claiming miller is a town move and you're going to claim miller. (Is this an official claim, or what? And if you're miller and going to claim, then it follows that millers are aware, so what's with the first post?)
3. You don't like this post by HtS because it's "strange."
What's your conclusion, Puppy, or do we have to wait for you to finish discussing it with yourself first? It is interesting to be accused of waffling when I haven't given an opinion on whether HtS is mafia yet. (1) Do you have an issue with this point? (2) Of course it's not. I would be hard-cc'ing and trying to lynch her otherwise. (3) I think I explained why it's strange, non? Care to comment on that instead? I have an issue that you can't seem to make up your mind from post to post...or rather are making post after post without your read going anywhere. ^^ What's the point of that? And lol xP you seem to be really stretching for that evaluation of her post. I find it strange that she accepts another player's judgment on FF's comfort level with the thread and gets into a "you're not comfortable" "yes I am" argument back and forth with FF, not any silliness you were posting about xP please show me this back and forth argument please, I don't remember it.
from my reading I have these reads rayn - scumlean palmar - scumlean LS- town HtS - scum puppydog- townlean/null superbia - scumlean If I missed any quotes let me know I'm pretty tilted about losing my last post Where did the scumlean on superbia come from? You think a scum palmar "gets caught" wanting to hunt for power roles. I think that is a bad read. super has less than a page of filter and spends most of it talking about BH's RNG post when he claimed to have a scumread on rayn. When rayn asks about the scumread, super goes AWOL for 13 hours? scummy. Ok, maybe palmar's not that bad, it still seems scummy to me. Almost like a cocky "you caught me but who cares?" So you think superbias scumread of rayn was serious? I think it was pointless. If he was joking, why would he say: On February 14 2015 18:49 Superbia wrote:On February 14 2015 18:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Superbia explain your scumread and stop talking about irrelevant shit. You think HtS is scum? and then On February 14 2015 18:55 Superbia wrote:On February 14 2015 18:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 14 2015 18:49 Superbia wrote:On February 14 2015 18:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Superbia explain your scumread and stop talking about irrelevant shit. You think HtS is scum? No i don't i am obviously just talking shit.... What? It was all a joke or some shit? if he was joking around ? I don't think you can really compare ayns HTS thing to superbias rayn thing. Rayn had given reasons and what not to why he thought HTS was scum so for him to back flip and say it was a joke would be weird. I think it is totally possible superbias can make a joke read while call bullshit when he thinks someone else made a joke read
Rayn addresses superbia:
On February 14 2015 18:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Superbia explain your scumread and stop talking about irrelevant shit.
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On February 14 2015 18:49 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2015 18:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Superbia explain your scumread and stop talking about irrelevant shit. You think HtS is scum?
They are literally talking about super's scumread how can I not use this as an example of super's read being serious?
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Ohhh, I thought you meant I was prolonging her useless argument. I see the misunderstanding
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On February 15 2015 08:04 Superbia wrote:
I'm here boys.
Be more town.
Thx
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On February 15 2015 08:12 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 08:06 Fecalfeast wrote:On February 15 2015 08:04 Superbia wrote:
I'm here boys. Be more town. Thx I'm already town. On a lack of sleep so lacking reading comprehension. What you up to FF?
I agree rayn could be scum but I also think you might be scum. Mind giving me something juicy to chew on? I'm off to work soon.
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On February 15 2015 08:47 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 08:33 Alakaslam wrote:
Hyponatremia. That's what I was worried about. how long has it been going on for?
While I do care about slam and his problems, is this really the best thread?
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I already feel like a jackass posting that. Pls don't die slam
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On February 15 2015 08:57 ritoky wrote:
alright FF, let's play a fill in the blanks game!!!!!!
your turn:
robik is ___angry___ because __he hates fun___ also he smells like ___me___
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On February 15 2015 09:31 Onegu wrote:
Votecount
(1) Half the Sky - raynpelikoneet
(1) Fecalfeast - liancourt
(1) Blazinghand - rsoultin
(3) VayneAuthority - Blazinghand, Alakaslam, Town Puppy
(1) ritoky - Fecalfeast
(1) Superbia - LightningStrike
VayneAuthority is set to be lynched. Voting ends in
I thought I unvoted
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On February 15 2015 09:28 liancourt wrote:
But do we want to waste a lynch on d1 on policy than obvious scum FF?
Huh, I'm fairly close to an omgus vote. Why am I scum?
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On February 15 2015 10:39 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 10:36 Breshke wrote:On February 15 2015 10:34 Superbia wrote:
I'm around now for a little bit. What's up breshke? Why did you not expand on your rayn read straight away instead of just dropping it in the thread and leaving. Did it not feel important to you? Honestly I was kind of tired and about to go away when rayn entered the field.
Except you opened with your rayn read then moved on to talk about BH RNG shit and didn't say anything about rayn until he called you out.. You could have talked about it before you were asked directly
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On February 15 2015 11:04 liancourt wrote:
Nah he can just die
You're not usually so bloodthirsty lian, what's the deal?
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On February 15 2015 11:26 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 11:12 Town Puppy wrote:
I think my case against Kelsier is great. If you're gonna call my reasons "weak compared to his filter" then you better be prepared to say why.
The vast majority of it is "I don't agree with his reads" and predicated on HtS being lock clear town for you. That's great, HtS isn't lock clear town and disagreeing with reads doesn't qualify a case as "great". So yes it is weak.
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On February 15 2015 12:23 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 12:22 LightningStrike wrote:On February 15 2015 11:44 rsoultin wrote:On February 15 2015 11:34 LightningStrike wrote:rsoultin what you think of Eden? Also I starting to like ritoky this game  Not sure, honestly. He does bounce around a lot as town :/ as someone pointed out earlier, and it certainly wouldn't be the first time he built up a weak case on bad logic. What's your read on HtS and Rayn, LS? HTS Null She doesn't seem like herself this game :| Rayn most likely town he and I got the same scum read on superbia and his posting seems like his normal town meta for now. EBWOP: Null on the fact she is claimed Miller but no one has counterclaimed yet so she could be town for it but otherwise I don't see her normal town play this game.
Near the beginning of the game when HtS was trying to make me seem uncomfortable, she said she was playing her normal town game. Where do you see differences?
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On February 15 2015 13:29 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 13:04 Town Puppy wrote:On February 15 2015 12:45 prplhz wrote:
can anybody explain this hts miller business to me because i don't understand it at all She claimed miller right off the bat. I think it makes her pretty clearly town due to this chain of logic: (1) Hosts don't typically run multiple millers in a game. Therefore, claiming miller is in effect claiming something like named VT. (2) If there is a miller in the game, and HTS is not the miller, then HTS will almost certainly be lynched as mafia (possibly d1, if not then d2). (3) Thus, HTS's only hope in fakeclaiming miller is that there isn't a miller in the game to cc her, because if there is she basically just gave herself up. (4) HTS is traditionally not a high-risk player (in my estimation), which makes her an unlikely candidate to have attempted such a high-risk strategy as mafia. (5) Thus, it is likely that HTS's claim is genuine. (6) HTS is town. I think the only thing in that chain that can plausibly be falsified is (4) - maybe she's a higher-risk player than I'm aware. No one has attempted to do so, though. 1-3 is ironclad and 5-6 follow from 1-3 + 4, so unless someone can demonstrate that HTS is reasonably likely to have attempted a high-risk play like this, there's really no reason not to take her claim at face value and go from there. What's bothering me most is that there are multiple people in the thread - rso and LS are the ones who come to mind, but they aren't alone - who more or less accept this reasoning (because they just played another game where this scenario occurred), and who aren't contesting (4), but still are finding reasons not to townread HTS. (There's other people, like rayn, who scumread her as well, but I'm less inclined to be worried about that because his reasoning had nothing to do with this logic at all, and I'm reasonably certain he hasn't seen this argument before. rso and LS have.) I find it null, and I don't like most of the rest of her play, Eden. 1. I've seen hosts run more than one miller, and this is a 17p game. Debunked. 2. Debunked because of 1. Also, there being the potential of more than one miller makes the play less risky. 3. Debunked because of 1 and 2. 4. Debunked because of 2 (I'm not sure if she takes risks much as scum, having only seen her scum game once.) 5. Not a point if the first 4 aren't valid. 6. See 5. You are not seeing the difference between a 17 player game were HtS claimed miller instantly and there could legitimately be more than one miller in the game, vice a 13 player game where marv was townread for CCing a miller claim which genuinely did run a high chance of seeing him lynched if he was scum fake-claiming. That neither you nor HtS understand this is frankly mind-boggling to me >< and why I think you're full of it.
I was just about to make a post regarding the people accepting there is only one miller. In fact I happen to know at least one host (foolishness) that enjoys adding millers to any setup from having talks about balancing metal mini.
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On February 15 2015 13:40 Half the Sky wrote:To be fair I had already brought up the possibility of multiple millers as well early on. Show nested quote +On February 14 2015 15:25 Breshke wrote:On February 14 2015 15:11 Half the Sky wrote:
Also Breshke, regarding the CC, I'm no balance queen (yet) but how do you know there cannot be a second miller?
17-player game might be possible. 13-man based on Horn, unlikely. There could be I just think it would be ballsy for a mafia to claim miller this early because if like 2+ other millers out that sticks you in the limelight because it isnt really standard.
So you did. I like your rayn post, see also that he spent almost an entire page (game page not filter page) getting upset over the semantics of rsoultin's post that made fun of BH's RNG
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