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Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
February 23 2015 04:59 GMT
#3952
Wait if BH is reading VA scum take a look at him as well.
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
February 23 2015 05:01 GMT
#3955
GG. Good luck town. Well played RSO. ;p
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Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
February 25 2015 11:24 GMT
#4126
Consider the scenarios, though.

1. Don't say anything:
Town basically straight up loses because it is very likely that at least one, if not both the JKs get lynched. Worst case scenario, imo.

2. Say something:
This sucks for mafia because there are basically two mod-confirmed town right off the bat (even though a part of town still doubted this until the very end), on the flip side both the save roles are outed. Town-favored, since it mod confirms two town and prevents mafia from fake claiming their roles at any point.

3. Say something and restart the game:
I think this might have been a decent solution, since it was only day 1. This gives both town and mafia some insight as to what the set up is. However, it is still town-favored since the exact number of roles are now known so a fake claim is slightly harder.


I think the best way to prevent this sort of situation is to tell both JKs that there is another JK in their role PM.
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Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
February 25 2015 11:29 GMT
#4131
On February 25 2015 20:28 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2015 20:24 Superbia wrote:
Consider the scenarios, though.

1. Don't say anything:
Town basically straight up loses because it is very likely that at least one, if not both the JKs get lynched. Worst case scenario, imo.

2. Say something:
This sucks for mafia because there are basically two mod-confirmed town right off the bat (even though a part of town still doubted this until the very end), on the flip side both the save roles are outed. Town-favored, since it mod confirms two town and prevents mafia from fake claiming their roles at any point.

3. Say something and restart the game:
I think this might have been a decent solution, since it was only day 1. This gives both town and mafia some insight as to what the set up is. However, it is still town-favored since the exact number of roles are now known so a fake claim is slightly harder.


I think the best way to prevent this sort of situation is to tell both JKs that there is another JK in their role PM.


If town is moronic enough to lynch off setup speculations, that's their problem. Not mine.


They both got the exact same role names. I don't know, maybe town needed a hard wake up call in this regard. But then we'd have townies bringing heat to Sent in post-game.
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Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
February 25 2015 11:34 GMT
#4136
On February 25 2015 20:29 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2015 20:24 Superbia wrote:
Consider the scenarios, though.

1. Don't say anything:
Town basically straight up loses because it is very likely that at least one, if not both the JKs get lynched. Worst case scenario, imo.


2. Say something:
This sucks for mafia because there are basically two mod-confirmed town right off the bat (even though a part of town still doubted this until the very end), on the flip side both the save roles are outed. Town-favored, since it mod confirms two town and prevents mafia from fake claiming their roles at any point.

3. Say something and restart the game:
I think this might have been a decent solution, since it was only day 1. This gives both town and mafia some insight as to what the set up is. However, it is still town-favored since the exact number of roles are now known so a fake claim is slightly harder.


I think the best way to prevent this sort of situation is to tell both JKs that there is another JK in their role PM.

This really is town's problem to deal with. Flavour is always just flavour, and there was nothing in the ruleset preventing there being 2 JKs. The compensation for the difficulty in understanding there are 2 JKs is, well, the fact that town has 2 god-damn JKs.

Town just needs to apply logic + reads. Does scumBH claim JK in that spot? (maybe) Does he have the appropriate crumbs ready?

Does scumEden counterclaim JK in that spot for a bizarro 1 for 1? Does this ever happen, ever? (hint: no)

The setup allows for 7 medics and 3 vigilantes, it's up to town to sort out who is what and why.


The problem for me was that BH's claim came out of nowhere. I'm not sure why town was so eager to jump on a wagon though. In retrospect and in light of Palmar and your arguments respectively, I think it may have been better to have town just suicide in order to learn.

I'd like to imagine I would disassemble the wagons regardless of the mod post. I did not really believe either of the claims were mafia coming into the thread. Maybe too much fantasy, though. :D
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Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
February 25 2015 11:37 GMT
#4139
On February 25 2015 20:36 Palmar wrote:
This is the reasons I create setups with a mason.

A single mason, who can talk to all the other masons. All of who are himself.


Remarkable, no doubt. :D


Also, Sent, the spreadsheet link is broken.
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Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
February 25 2015 11:40 GMT
#4146
On February 25 2015 20:37 rsoultin wrote:
lol

I just called TP stupid for CCing there. Why does doc CC on Day 1 anyway? JK/doc, whatever. I just 100% wouldn't. You're useless doing that even if you believe the other guy is mafia. I never understand this.

Like Slam, he played his role perfectly. Didn't bother with CCing the fake cop claims, just kept plugging along.


1v1 trade with mafia is always favorable for town. I do agree that you should evaluate the claim appropriately, but it might lose you the game and catch you flak during post-game.
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Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
February 25 2015 11:41 GMT
#4147
On February 25 2015 20:39 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2015 20:37 Superbia wrote:
On February 25 2015 20:36 Palmar wrote:
This is the reasons I create setups with a mason.

A single mason, who can talk to all the other masons. All of who are himself.


Remarkable, no doubt. :D


Also, Sent, the spreadsheet link is broken.

I'm marv. and fixed


You're Sent now.
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
February 25 2015 11:42 GMT
#4149
Why is my day 1 vote "something". Jesus, no wonder we miss-lynched d1. These mods man.
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Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
February 25 2015 11:50 GMT
#4158
On February 25 2015 20:44 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2015 20:40 Superbia wrote:
On February 25 2015 20:37 rsoultin wrote:
lol

I just called TP stupid for CCing there. Why does doc CC on Day 1 anyway? JK/doc, whatever. I just 100% wouldn't. You're useless doing that even if you believe the other guy is mafia. I never understand this.

Like Slam, he played his role perfectly. Didn't bother with CCing the fake cop claims, just kept plugging along.


1v1 trade with mafia is always favorable for town. I do agree that you should evaluate the claim appropriately, but it might lose you the game and catch you flak during post-game.


no, I agree that a 1v1 trade with mafia is favorable for town

so if you're in mylo, great, but day 1? you still have the chance to gain more lynches due to good doctoring plus you already know a scum so you can learn a lot just watching them

eh, but I guess not everyone agrees with that


If you encounter a good mafia fake claim and you let the claim go unchecked it's very possible you're gonna get rekt if you do that. x:

Like you're literally losing a lynch and missing the opportunity to lynch confirmed mafia.

If your role gets claimed and you think the person claiming is mafia, you CC 100%.
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Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
February 25 2015 11:51 GMT
#4159
May be some exceptional exceptions to that rule, but whatever. Mafia usually claims knowing they will get CCed.
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
February 25 2015 12:01 GMT
#4174
I wasn't really townreading prplhz when the wagon was on both him and LS. I felt too many townies were divided between the two wagon and I wasn't sure about either of them.

I paid too much respect to the opinions of people who put a lot of time into the game (including rso), and it really fucked up my d2 play (though my d1 play was quite shit as well). Next time I'm going to be adamant about my own opinion. Also, I'm going to pay more attention to rayn's reads if/after he's confirmed town.
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
February 25 2015 12:07 GMT
#4181
On February 25 2015 21:04 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2015 21:01 Superbia wrote:
I wasn't really townreading prplhz when the wagon was on both him and LS. I felt too many townies were divided between the two wagon and I wasn't sure about either of them.

I paid too much respect to the opinions of people who put a lot of time into the game (including rso), and it really fucked up my d2 play (though my d1 play was quite shit as well). Next time I'm going to be adamant about my own opinion. Also, I'm going to pay more attention to rayn's reads if/after he's confirmed town.

I'm not sure this is what you should be taking away really. It's good to listen to other people. Your problem would be (if I go by this paragraph alone) that you were putting faith in someone with a lot of posts and not correctly being suspicious of their motives. Listening to others is dandy, just make sure they're town first


The problem was mostly that I was listening to people because I thought they had put a lot of time into the game, even though I was disagreeing with what they were saying. I agree that listening and cooperating with people is key to the game, but that time put into the game is a wrong metric to follow (it was mostly guilt that I had put less time into the game than others, which led me to pursue my own reads less because I felt it would be unfair).
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
February 25 2015 12:08 GMT
#4182
On February 25 2015 21:05 rsoultin wrote:
super, you played well, no worries

i'm looking forward to playing with you when we're both town again ^^


Thanks, but I could have played better. Always looking to improve for next game.
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
February 25 2015 12:33 GMT
#4199
Shout out to FF. The curse is officially broken.
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
February 25 2015 12:35 GMT
#4200
On February 25 2015 21:18 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2015 21:07 Superbia wrote:
On February 25 2015 21:04 marvellosity wrote:
On February 25 2015 21:01 Superbia wrote:
I wasn't really townreading prplhz when the wagon was on both him and LS. I felt too many townies were divided between the two wagon and I wasn't sure about either of them.

I paid too much respect to the opinions of people who put a lot of time into the game (including rso), and it really fucked up my d2 play (though my d1 play was quite shit as well). Next time I'm going to be adamant about my own opinion. Also, I'm going to pay more attention to rayn's reads if/after he's confirmed town.

I'm not sure this is what you should be taking away really. It's good to listen to other people. Your problem would be (if I go by this paragraph alone) that you were putting faith in someone with a lot of posts and not correctly being suspicious of their motives. Listening to others is dandy, just make sure they're town first


The problem was mostly that I was listening to people because I thought they had put a lot of time into the game, even though I was disagreeing with what they were saying. I agree that listening and cooperating with people is key to the game, but that time put into the game is a wrong metric to follow (it was mostly guilt that I had put less time into the game than others, which led me to pursue my own reads less because I felt it would be unfair).


Some people try harder as town, some people try harder as mafia. People's investment in the game should not be alignment indicative unless they have a very distinct meta that someone who has played lots with them can elaborate on and give reasonable evidence for. Also as town, err on the side of suspicion.


Absolutely. I know this as well, but for guilt-reasons I was unwilling to step on toes. Never again.
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