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On February 26 2015 00:47 justanothertownie wrote:
This game not only proves how much third parties suck because I think town loses this game 9/10 times without the SK shooting all the mafia but also that some arguments in the townplay thread are complete and utter bullshit.
Rayn called out 6 people, among those 6 people were the whole mafia team, the SK and one townie. Still he was not only not listened to but he was mislynched instead.
Finding and calling out mafia means absolutely nothing without proving your own innocence. This is the ultimate proof.
The problem is that nobody actually read my post at least pre-flip.
I don't know how i can possibly prove my innocence other than making good cases on all mafia (i honestly think my cases on EVERY anti-town player were good). Like i posted in obs QT -- look at what Blazinghand for example said. Like meh... a townleader acting like that is just plain out idiotic.
People (besider robert) had just decided i was mafia because of some shit reason of me not being able to play and because "his reads changed without any reason" (not that anyone cared for once asking me "why".. There is no way i could have had done anything about being lynched regardless of what i say.
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On February 26 2015 00:57 justanothertownie wrote:
Oh, and also sentinel confirming BH and Eden as JKs has to be one of the poorest hosting decisions I have ever seen. If I was mafia in this game I would probably just ragequit immediately.
Agreed.
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On February 26 2015 02:45 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2015 02:20 Half the Sky wrote:
I've never played cop.
Slam why would you copcheck me if I already claimed miller?
What were you expecting? or trying to verify? To verify if you are the Miller not the SK most likely.
well still dumb. as was checking VA after my flip.
There is gonna be about no chance he is mafia when i am town and i have a town read on him.
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ehh.. lol. 
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seriously blazinghand what the fuck is "faking anger as town"??
also can you explain what is "troll to lose the game as mod-confirmed town"? because that was what you was..
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On February 26 2015 04:05 Blazinghand wrote:
Hey I made a lot of good calls that game. I made some bad calls to but that's the nature of mafia
yeah sure. you used your D1 and D2 in calling VA (obvious town) mafia.
Then you made the worst post in the game. Check the obs QT for it.
I don't even give a fuck what you did after that because you, as confirmed town, played horrendously when i was alive.
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the only person in this game i can say gg to is robert. maybe superbia (because he was really spot on and upped his play after D2). also Slam, after N2.
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On February 26 2015 04:16 Blazinghand wrote:
rayn, robik, we won, no need to get angry jeez
i am fucking mad for getting lynched for having almost perfect reads for like sixth time in my life.
and you fuckfaces never learn.
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On February 26 2015 05:11 Blazinghand wrote:
seriously though rayn. when you're dealing with idiots you gotta be able to speak their language, you know?
no i don't know...
and i even don't wanna know.
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On February 26 2015 05:16 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2015 05:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 26 2015 05:11 Blazinghand wrote:
seriously though rayn. when you're dealing with idiots you gotta be able to speak their language, you know? no i don't know... Like, what I'm trying to say is, you got lynched. And you're mad at people for lynching you for what you perceive as bad reasons, especially since your reads were basically 100% solid. The thing is, it is at least a tiny bit your fault for getting lynched, even if people have shit reasons. Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 19:43 Palmar wrote:Mig got it. I don't know what you're saying GM, I'm not even sure which part you're disagreeing with. I'm not saying there is no such thing as bad logic, what I'm saying is that if town is accepting bad logic over good logic, it's your responsibility to use bad logic so you can push your ideas. I don't think your comparison to starcraft is fair, because starcraft has measurable statistics that can blatantly be improved upon. In mafia there really is no such thing as definite bad play and good play. My point is that the problem is the people who get themselves lynched. Let's create an example: + Show Spoiler +
You're in a game with 7 players, two of them are mafia. It's day 1, and town lynches some vocal but controversial player (Palmar) who flipped, quite predictably to GMarshal the town hero, town.
The lynch was mostly based on the fact that one of the townies (Jackal) suggested that Palmar may have been trying to hard to be pro-town, and must therefore be scum, so one of the mafia (Sandroba) and the rest of town (Curu and Deconduo) quietly agreed with the lynch based on Jackal's logic. Sandroba pushes the idea a bit to help secure Deconduo's vote.
GMarshal had meanwhile nailed the one mafia (sandroba) contradicting himself and being overly cautious given his usual aggressive nature on day one, in addition, it's against Sandroba's usually critical behavior to agree with such an obvious townie lynch as Palmar.
GMarshal wrote an analysis on Sandroba, but town mostly ignored him, although Palmar was never going to agree with a lynch on himself and shouted quite heavily for people to read GM's analysis, and cast his vote on Sandroba. In addition, the clever lurking mafia Kenpachi also voted for his scumbuddy Sandroba.
So in the end, Palmar gets lynched based on jackal's accusation he was trying too hard to be pro-town, and the votes end as follows:
Palmar: 4
Deconduo
Curu
Jackal
Sandroba
Sandroba: 3
GMarshal
Palmar
Kenpachi
And Palmar get's lynched.
So reading the above example, let's look at what usually people perceive happened in this game, and what really needs to be looked at, here is what I think is both an incorrect, and a correct analysis of day 1, and who is to blame. + Show Spoiler +
So, in this situation it's typical for Palmar to call the town terrible for not listening to logic and lynching Sandroba. GMarshal who will obviously get shot during the night is just going to rage a bit about people for not picking up on his logic.
In addition, when Kenpachi cleverly instantly buses Sandroba on day 2 for massive town cred, and a guaranteed victory in lylo, GMarshal is going to feel really justified when Sandroba lynches scum.
"Only if you had listened to me on day 1"
And the worst part, the player more responsible than anyone else for the town losing, Palmar, is going to come back in the postgame and call Jackal an idiot for pushing the lynch on him. Jackal will of course be hanged on day 3, after mafia kills deconduo, and Kenpachi and Curu are the last 2 standing, resulting in a mafia victory.
Very often this will result in Palmar and GMarshal somehow feeling they played okay, but the town was just bad so they lost beacuse of that.
This is wrong
Both are terrible, and need to shut up and look at their own play.
GMarshal looked pro-town on day 1, no one talked about lynching him, and he instantly nailed mafia with a good analysis.
GMarshal played terribly.
I don't give a fuck what you know if you can't convince town to follow your logic. If what it takes was using some retarded logic like Jackal's "Palmar is trying too hard to be pro-town", to get the lynch, that's what GMarshal should have done.
Now, I'm not saying Curu's, Jackal's and Deconduo's play is excusable, because they're also bad for not seeing that GMarshal was pushing a correct analysis. But there seems to be this thing around here where we focus way too much on blaming the people who make the incorrect decisions, and far too little blame on people who make the right decisions, but cannot push them.
Everyone played terribly on day 1. And the worst fucker of them all?
Palmar.
Palmar is ridiculously bad this game. He allowed himself to get lynched by another townie on shitty reasoning. Thing is, after the game, Palmar won't recognize this, he'll be mad at the "bad town" who lynched him with such "obvious scum" alternative.
But the truth of the matter, Palmar just failed at making people realize he's town. I don't give a shit how stupid the reasons where, if that's what it takes, Palmar should've made up some terrible reasons to clear himself.
If you get lynched, it's your own fault.
Notice that I'm not trying to reduce the blame on the town heroes who lynched an obvious town on bad logic on day 1. I'm just pointing out that peopel who were right like GMarshal, are equally much to blame for being unable to push their ideas, and the person who gets lynched is the most to blame.
Probably yes.
I just fail to work with idiots.
May that be my fault i am thank-fucking-ing the god that's the way it is.
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On February 26 2015 05:19 Blazinghand wrote:
Like, people generally make fun of my play but despite the fact that I'm only a slightly above-average scumhunter with very above-average good looks, I rarely get lynched. I'm willing to pander to not get lynched. I'm willing to pull anything out of my ass to not get lynched. Now, I don't focus on improving this part of my play, since the weak point in my play right now is probably scumhunting, but that doesn't mean it's not an important part of my play.
I used to care about getting lynched but not any more. I get lynched for two reasons as town:
(1) I have reads that are too good and the town is too shit
(2) i lynch myself
true story.
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On February 26 2015 05:32 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2015 05:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 26 2015 05:19 Blazinghand wrote:
Like, people generally make fun of my play but despite the fact that I'm only a slightly above-average scumhunter with very above-average good looks, I rarely get lynched. I'm willing to pander to not get lynched. I'm willing to pull anything out of my ass to not get lynched. Now, I don't focus on improving this part of my play, since the weak point in my play right now is probably scumhunting, but that doesn't mean it's not an important part of my play. I used to care about getting lynched but not any more. I get lynched for two reasons as town: (1) I have reads that are too good and the town is too shit (2) i lynch myself true story. you're a valuable and capable player, rayn. I am disappointed that you don't feel a need to not get lynched.
that's on you. mainly on you in this game. i can get people playing bad because i play bad from time to time.
i don't get people intentionally trying to destroy the town like you did in this game for no reason.
why the fuck should i care when noone else cares? i put the max effort to this game when i was able to and i got posts like "you are going to get lynched, no matter what you say" -- from YOU.
so maybe you should think about how you play this game instead of how i do and why i do feel what i do...
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My defense was perfect. I told everyone who mafia was.
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On February 26 2015 05:44 prplhz wrote:
I think the raynpelikoneet lynch was more on town than on raynpelikoneet. However, there are certainly some things raynpelikoneet could have done to lower the risk of him getting lynched in that situation (such as not going crazy). Of course it sucks to get lynched on a poor case when you've pretty much found the scum team, but you're just confusing everybody by claiming mafia and cop and that's really not in your favor.
Yes i understand.
In to my defense on N1 when i claimed "scumske" ( ) i am not sure anyone (other than ls lol) took that seriously. If people can't deduce it is a joke at that point (the thread was again shit) then.. well.. haha ^^
I had no time when i claimed cop. I had no time to type on my phone why Palmar is mafia, and i was really sure there is no cop in the game, so i just claimed a cop. Again, if you read the obs QT, i can't see why would anyone as town think i am mafia for my claim. Obviously the only reason is if you have already decided i am mafia -- which furthers my claim on "there was nothing i could do at that point", which makes my claim irrelevant in the first place.
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On February 26 2015 05:46 rsoultin wrote:
In essence, you were lynched because of your lack of credibility, and people not being able to follow your scumreads. It doesn't even matter what your reads were.
I was lynched because of i was not playing for 16-24 hours, nothing else.
which is fucking atrocious.
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On February 26 2015 05:52 rsoultin wrote:
I've seen plenty of people recover from a bout of inactivity like that. I've done it myself, rayn.
i am not you and i am not anyone else and when there is a game full of sucking Palmar's dick (who was btw doing nothing) there is nothing i can do.
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like i am never going to recover from 10++ hours of inactivity.
never. not before this, not after this. no matter what i say.
but i don't care. i just yell at ppl post game then.
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On February 26 2015 05:56 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2015 05:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 26 2015 05:52 rsoultin wrote:
I've seen plenty of people recover from a bout of inactivity like that. I've done it myself, rayn. i am not you and i am not anyone else and when there is a game full of sucking Palmar's dick (who was btw doing nothing) there is nothing i can do. Well, don't know what to tell you. You've indicated that this is a pattern, you getting lynched when your reads are good, but you refuse to admit that you may actually be a factor in your getting lynched. That's okay...but it means you'll probably continue to get lynched. Definition of insanity and all xP
.. which is why i usually avoid games that have no good players in the game.
or if they are mafia i just tell they are mafia and the nthe town does what the fuck they want to.
like this game. town just happened to win this time.
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On February 26 2015 06:00 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2015 04:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 26 2015 04:16 Blazinghand wrote:
rayn, robik, we won, no need to get angry jeez i am fucking mad for getting lynched for having almost perfect reads for like sixth time in my life. and you fuckfaces never learn. isn't that more credit deserved to those who were anti-town and were capable of getting you out of the way early?
not really. it is a sign of bad or ignorant (which is bad anyways) town play.
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