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On February 19 2015 05:23 IAmRobik wrote:
For some reason lynching rayn, both yesterday and today, has been incredibly hard work.
This kinda goes along with your next post, but i'm too lazy to quote it...his "doing jack shit" is making me think he might be town. From my experience with Rayn, he always has an agenda when he's mafia. He knows he has to push mislynches to win the game and that's what he does. He wants all the power and doesn't trust his teammates not one bit. Look at GSL and Look at Foundations, two of my first games. He is so fucking active trying to lynch people. He has shown no propensity to do that this game.
I'll have to revisit the pro-am game he played with slendy though. He was pretty afk as mafia that game, so I'll have to see if he was pushing an agenda there or not.[/QUOTE]
Robik, I have evidence to dispute what you have just said.
In his very last game, Slytherin, as mason, he admitted he doesn't (generally) care when he's scum.
On February 08 2015 07:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2015 07:08 liancourt wrote:
has rayn been this town leaderish in past games. He's stepped up his game for sure i haven't given any fucks past games bcz i have rolled mafia for like a half year straight. in the past, yes, i have.
On February 08 2015 07:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2015 07:11 liancourt wrote:
we played in ffl2 and you were scum right? let me check yeah i was and i din't give any fucks about that game.
On February 08 2015 07:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I haven't played in like almost a year, but you were town leader in witchcraft 2...
that was prolly the last scum game i actually played decent mafia. except for the one game i got modkilled in where i tried.[/QUOTE]
Which trues up with how he's playing this game.
Palmar's assessment and pushing his lynch is for the right reasons IMO.
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Sigh, fuck quote boxes. Hold on.
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On February 19 2015 05:23 IAmRobik wrote:
For some reason lynching rayn, both yesterday and today, has been incredibly hard work.
This kinda goes along with your next post, but i'm too lazy to quote it...his "doing jack shit" is making me think he might be town. From my experience with Rayn, he always has an agenda when he's mafia. He knows he has to push mislynches to win the game and that's what he does. He wants all the power and doesn't trust his teammates not one bit. Look at GSL and Look at Foundations, two of my first games. He is so fucking active trying to lynch people. He has shown no propensity to do that this game.
I'll have to revisit the pro-am game he played with slendy though. He was pretty afk as mafia that game, so I'll have to see if he was pushing an agenda there or not.[/QUOTE]
Robik, I have evidence to dispute what you have just said.
In his very last game, Slytherin, as mason, he admitted he doesn't (generally) care when he's scum.
On February 08 2015 07:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2015 07:08 liancourt wrote:
has rayn been this town leaderish in past games. He's stepped up his game for sure i haven't given any fucks past games bcz i have rolled mafia for like a half year straight. in the past, yes, i have.
On February 08 2015 07:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2015 07:11 liancourt wrote:
we played in ffl2 and you were scum right? let me check yeah i was and i din't give any fucks about that game.
On February 08 2015 07:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2015 07:11 Onegu wrote:
I haven't played in like almost a year, but you were town leader in witchcraft 2... that was prolly the last scum game i actually played decent mafia. except for the one game i got modkilled in where i tried.
Which trues up with how he's playing this game.
Palmar's assessment and pushing his lynch is for the right reasons IMO.
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Rayn, keep digging that hole for yourself. I scumread you based on your gameplay from D1. You have given me zero reason for me to change my read on you. In fact the more you post on some of the others, the more convinced you are scum.
And once I've formed a read, I use meta to check not only myself but other people who are scumreading you. In fact I only checked your last game in Slytherin largely because of what Damdred said.
You showed already once how you tried to misrepresent me and you just keep doing it again.
Keep taking me and others out of context, you're doing a fine job of it.
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On February 19 2015 05:43 Blazinghand wrote:
so... fuck the Preview button, right?
Honestly I need to stop playing this game on a tablet but given my daily routine I don't really have a choice.
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On February 19 2015 05:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +VA - I played with him in NYE party mafia and Void. I have yet to play with him as scum. The information I got on his scum game was in an obs QT. His town game, he honestly does jack all. I don't know how else to describe it. In NYE, the first game I played with him, I scumread him based on doing nothing and not wanting to solve the game...IIRC, the only posts he made were that he was relying on blue roles, and didn't care for reads, or something. I incorrectly scumread him and pushed his lynch, others called me on it, - and he got lynched. Void - same deal. He did jack all D1 and most of D2. Only after I flipped scum D2, did he start doing work. like, she literally quotes VA'S TOWN PLAY CORRECTLY -- which is also 100% he is doing in this game, but hey, her meta-read on VA is that VA is mafia. Good job, good job.
Here's an example where Rayn is pushing misinformation.
If you go back to where I was looking/checking into VA, I was disputing the call on VA being scum using meta from the games I've played with him. To confirm what I've been feeling, I looked into games where he was scum to see how much of that gameplay measured to his current gameplay and I did a compare and contrast.
On February 18 2015 23:32 Half the Sky wrote:Well in general from what I'm seeing so far: YOSO is a Ver game, which he's expressed preference for as it's a super low post count game. So I could see him post insane (in comparison) as either alignment. Key differences I'm seeing there is he's actually quoting people in making arguments and arguing why certain people are better lynches than others, just more substantial arguments in general than I'm used to seeing him do. Then he complains when he's putting in too much work. Moved on to Guilty to remove that pro-Ver bias - might have to go to SMB mini and check that out too, but in guilty he's posting way more and his "reads" look again, more substantiated, posting style is different. Tried to do a day-by-day meta read, since most people defending him are based off a D1 jack all meta. Show nested quote +On August 25 2014 09:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
VA So again, the heuristic for the most part goes, Lazy useless VA = town, tryhard VA = scum. He has muddled with this a little in a few later games but the most part I'm able to catch him out when it's needed. This time his town play seems to fit but I think as someone else may (or may not have?) pointed out, it looks as though he is actively and very obviously trying to muddle with his meta this time around by talking about himself and his activity: That might be the key constrast here to read VA as town D1 which I did. For D2, most so far, he's done jack all. I guess the question now is whether people here think he's muddling his meta or if there's a possibility he does jack all as scum.
In a SEPARATE post I said, that at this time, I was not convinced that VA was scum. I was not buying BH's push on VA. That was my conclusion, not that VA was scum.
On February 18 2015 23:40 Half the Sky wrote:
At this point in time, though I have yet to go through BH's PBPA, I am not convinced VA is scum. Don't recall the substantial tryharding though I'm seeing in his scum games.
It is ironic that Rayn says I'm not reading the thread when he has done selective reading on three of his scumreads, myself being one of them.
This is also consistent with my using meta to check and confirm a read I had on VA as others weigh in.
So my stance on Rayn remains the same.
LYNCH
RAYN
WITH
FIRE
TONIGHT
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On February 19 2015 05:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
if she is she is really bad at this game and should not call herself experienced.
1 I never called myself experienced at this game (not in the vein of Palmar/Marv/HF etc)
2 I've never called myself skilled at this game either, in fact I've said several times early D1 I had dumb moments and I do make stupid errors in this game.
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On February 19 2015 06:14 IAmRobik wrote:
HTS, why did you step off the gas peddle off of FF?
Consolidation. If you read carefully you will see that I was the last voter off FF, and onto another scumread (Rayn) that I have been scumreading from the very beginning. He's always been in the list of lynchables for me.
And like FF, I have been demonstrating points that he is scum.
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On February 19 2015 06:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2015 06:14 Blazinghand wrote:
I'll take a look at the HtS case on you. any particular things youw ant me to focus on when determining HTS alignment? she contradicts herself a numerous times in how she looks at the game. mainly regarding meta (on me and VA). When it fits to her, meta is scummy, when it doesn't, she "doesn't care about it" or "doesn't use it". double standards.
Nope, already shot that point down. Try again.
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On February 19 2015 06:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
just shut the fuck up please.
Toys out the pram. You keep making faulty cases like that and I will keep refuting your arguments.
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I'm going to point out another instance where Rayn misrepresents me.
Ironic as I previously presented a case on him doing this and he uses the exact same material to misrepresent me as scum. I also highlighted the time elapsed between the time I answered his last question and the time he accuses me of not answering his questions.
On February 19 2015 05:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 01:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Half the Sky i am really puzzled about the fact we have an argument going on and instead of arguing with me you decide to comment on other ppl's posts. And this is not even the first time you have done so. (3) Yeah well the bolded part is 100% true. So WHAT? Her not answering me and instead talking about something else (=seems like dodging the questions) is ME being scummy? Right.
Here's my original case on Rayn. The full text is on page 41.
On February 15 2015 13:36 Half the Sky wrote:
Looking into some of Rayn's quotes after he questioned me on my reads, there are a few quotes of his that have me scumreading Rayn.
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Like he's trying to push me when I'd already answered his questions. Looking at the timestamps there were 12 minutes in between I answered his last question and when he said that, so it's not like he missed my questions. It seems like he's trying to reach to call me scum based on this.
My initial exchange with Rayn is on page 29-30. When Rayn asks me why I'm ignoring him I respond that I have already answered him. You can see on page 29 where I've answered all his reads. Including his 2 extra questions.
On February 15 2015 02:00 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 01:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Half the Sky i am really puzzled about the fact we have an argument going on and instead of arguing with me you decide to comment on other ppl's posts. And this is not even the first time you have done so. I answered all your questions on all the people you asked on. You gave me four people and I gave you my reads on them. Including the extra question on Superbia.
If you look closely at the timestamps, there are 12 minutes between the time I answer his last question and the time he calls me out.
The fact he's trying to push this in his case shows he is grossly misrepresenting me in calling my scum.
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On February 19 2015 06:39 IAmRobik wrote:
So you're giving up on pushing FF in favor of lynching a person who more people wnt to ylnch who you haven't made a case for until people started expressing desire to lynch him. That sounds a bit opportunistic, doesn't it?
Wrong. My first case post on Rayn was on page 41, D1. (Ironically it was the same post that FF commented on with two different conclusions.)
I know at least 2 people who shot down the thought of lynching Rayn on D1 either because he was posting/or was a vet/or whatever. I'm also aware there are multiple scum and I've said before (to I believe Ritoky) that you can have convinction on multiple scumreads.
If I'd tried to push Rayn (or in the same vein, let's say a HF or a Marv, etc) D1, it was not going to get traction for what I just stated.
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Off the cuff, I believe prphlz was one of them. Hold on....I know it was brought up.
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On February 19 2015 06:46 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2015 06:43 Half the Sky wrote:On February 19 2015 06:39 IAmRobik wrote:
So you're giving up on pushing FF in favor of lynching a person who more people wnt to ylnch who you haven't made a case for until people started expressing desire to lynch him. That sounds a bit opportunistic, doesn't it? Wrong. My first case post on Rayn was on page 41, D1. (Ironically it was the same post that FF commented on with two different conclusions.) I know at least 2 people who shot down the thought of lynching Rayn on D1 either because he was posting/or was a vet/or whatever. I'm also aware there are multiple scum and I've said before (to I believe Ritoky) that you can have convinction on multiple scumreads. If I'd tried to push Rayn (or in the same vein, let's say a HF or a Marv, etc) D1, it was not going to get traction for what I just stated. If he flips mafia, this is going to be a very interesting read. Find those posts.
Palmar, here's once by prplhz. I knew it!
On February 16 2015 01:34 prplhz wrote:yea i'm not sure what to think about palmar. this push on rayn is, well i don't like pushes on people like rayn or palmar on d1 because if they're town they're going to get shot by mafia really soon anyway. pretty simple. also a rayn/palmar shout fest clash of egos on d1 is potentially devastating for town. i liked some of his earlier posts like the one where he points out that robik is town and then he just made this post Show nested quote +On February 16 2015 00:12 Palmar wrote:There's something wrong in a game where I'm sitting here on weekend and feeling all alone in a dead thread on day 1. It's supposed to be the other way around. other people missing me  which i think looks super townie. in any case i'm really tentative about lynching palmar or rayn on d1. i want to see what happens when rayn gets back though. semi related you're also looking townie simply because the "say something clever twice and you're scum" thing you have for me is so ridiculous.
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Let me try and find another...
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Palmar, here's an even more blunt quote by prplhz re the D1 issue.
On February 16 2015 02:42 prplhz wrote:
SERIOUSLY
RAYN IS REALLY GOOD AT MAFIA
EITHER HE WILL FIND MAFIA OR HE WILL GET SHOT
IF NEITHER HAPPENS, WE CAN CONSIDER LYNCHING HIM
WE'RE NOT LYNCHING HIM JUST BECAUSE HE CHANGED HIS MIND AND IS NOW AFK WRESTLING A POLAR BEAR OR WHATEVER.
this is mafia 101, you don't lynch townies with a good reputation on d1.
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On February 19 2015 06:57 Palmar wrote:
yes, rayn is mafia.
Kill it.
My vote's already on him.
I'm setting my alarm for 4am our time, and helping secure this lynch.
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Palmar, EoD for us is 5am. 4am gives us an hour.
With that I'm going to bed. Good night everyone.
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On February 19 2015 07:01 Palmar wrote:
I used to do that shit btw.
Now there's literally no way I'm going to wake up during the night unless forced to.
I blame the kids.
Ahhh I see what you mean. I don't have kids, but I understand.
In my case I blame marathon training, but I get my workout done in the morning here after 5am, so that's the upside of getting up early. And I can do more fun things in the evenings, huzzah!
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Good morning lovelies! Like I promised I'm up at 4am, thinking there was going to be trouble securing this lynch.
But since there's not, is there anything anyone wants to talk about in the meantime?
(Catching up.)
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