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best scenario vigi:
7 vs 3
6 vs 2 nk +vig
5 vs 2 ml 2
4 vs 2 nk
3 vs 2 ml 3
2 vs 2 loss after nk
worst scenario vigi:
7 vs 3
5 vs 3 nk + vigi
4 vs 3 ml 2
3 vs 3 loss after nk
No shot vigi:
7 vs 3
6 vs 3 nk
5 vs 3 ml 2
4 vs 3 nk
3 vs 3 loss after ml 3
Why would vigi shoot if it doesn't gain us a ml? And saying during the night it "confirms" breshke if he shoots smells of pushing mafia agenda. Because
1) he might be scum vigi (would be very dumb to claim unless you can magically shoot town and thread approves, which is happening so yeah....)
2) he might be rb (does this then make him suddenly scum?)
and tbh if he doesn't shoot and there is no blue CC he is probably town ANYWAY.
+ the claim would be pretty insane mafia play.
So yeah, he is very likely town. So saying he is confirmed town for shooting is really bad.
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On February 06 2015 18:27 Eden1892 wrote:
So this is actually another great reason for why Koshi is mafia. Palmar if you're town you'll dig this pretty hard.
Koshi isn't being sincere at all in his questioning. He's not trying to understand why my read on SL changed. Koshi was around at EOD to hear me repeat myself about SL being a distraction lynch. Instead of questioning me on that, he's resorted to digging through my very long filter, finding a post where I believed SL to be mafia, and then he's trying to frame it as negatively as possible. It's very disingenuous. And he is selectively ignoring arguments he can't respond to, like the filter length argument. This guy is a fraud.
1) I ask you to tell me why your read changed. How am I not trying to understand?
On February 06 2015 17:53 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2015 12:54 Eden1892 wrote:
updating
1 Breshke
2 Eden1892
3 rsoultin
4 LightningStrike
5 Onegu
6 Damdred
7 Palmar
8 marvellosity
9 sicklucker
10 batsnacks
11 Koshi
12 Holyflare
13 justanothertownie
I have a mind to lynch Palmar next for being afk as much as he is. It's been one day so it's hard to know how much of that is just irl stuff and how much is actual lurking, but he seems less active than normal. Even when he's not trying to do a lot he's usually in the thread. His absence here is a little much.
Kinda feel like batsnacks is an okay lynch maybe? I don't remember off the top of my head what he's done this game.
Koshi is mostly the same. I remember both batsnacks and Koshi posting but not what they posted never mind I remember Koshi wanting to kill Breshke but then changing his mind-ish? Still not enough for me to be okay with him.
JAT I could just be paranoid on, but I really feel like he isn't doing a lot. He managed to boost his filter size up to snuff, but I don't feel like he's said/done a whole lot for its length. Show nested quote +On February 06 2015 07:30 Eden1892 wrote:
It is this simple,
People who tried hard enough to earn a d2 (or more, as the case may be)
Damdred
sicklucker
Breshke
justanothertownie
People who didn't
Koshi
Onegu Show nested quote +On February 06 2015 09:14 Eden1892 wrote:On February 06 2015 09:13 marvellosity wrote:
if rso is mafia, eden, you can apologise to me for defending her all day whenever i/hf were suspicious of her.
just sayin like yeah yeah kiss the ring for being wrong about like 3 ppl i defended and we'll call it square  Can somebody show me why and where Eden flips his read on sl? He flipped reads 500 times this game but this one is the oddest I think. Out of all people I think Eden called SL mafia the most consistently. Yet I don't remember Eden pushing SL at all. Ever.
2) I am scumhunting. That is looking for oddities. I was around when you were yelling SL was a distraction lynch. BUT that was just to get me or Onegu lynched. THAT DOES NOT COUNT. Look at me: I am protecting town to lynch these other 2 townies. GJ EDEN
3) Mostly I have 3 pages of filter as scum D1 and then 6 pages after D3. So I am now confirmed town to you?
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On February 06 2015 18:31 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2015 18:27 Koshi wrote:
best scenario vigi:
7 vs 3
6 vs 2 nk +vig
5 vs 2 ml 2
4 vs 2 nk
3 vs 2 ml 3
2 vs 2 loss after nk
worst scenario vigi:
7 vs 3
5 vs 3 nk + vigi
4 vs 3 ml 2
3 vs 3 loss after nk
No shot vigi:
7 vs 3
6 vs 3 nk
5 vs 3 ml 2
4 vs 3 nk
3 vs 3 loss after ml 3
Why would vigi shoot if it doesn't gain us a ml? And saying during the night it "confirms" breshke if he shoots smells of pushing mafia agenda. Because
1) he might be scum vigi (would be very dumb to claim unless you can magically shoot town and thread approves, which is happening so yeah....)
2) he might be rb (does this then make him suddenly scum?)
and tbh if he doesn't shoot and there is no blue CC he is probably town ANYWAY.
+ the claim would be pretty insane mafia play.
So yeah, he is very likely town. So saying he is confirmed town for shooting is really bad. He would shoot if he felt he had a chance to hit mafia, naturally. You'll notice no one recommended he shoot until people (me and HF) got confident in our suspects. Breshke would be confirmed as town vig if he shot mafia. It's pretty simple. If he hits a townie then he's unconfirmed naturally, although I think setup speculation would still favor town vig. (Antitown role in miller + something as strong as scum vig? We better be sitting on some damn haymaker roles.) But incidentally this is another good example of Koshi approaching this from a mafia POV. He makes a decent point that Breshke isn't absolutely confirmed just because he shoots, but instead of recognizing this as an oversight, he immediately reaches for the most sinister conclusion he can. He's not earnestly trying to determine any alignments, he's just trying to turn any mole hill he can latch onto into a mountain.
No? I am proving that people who push breshke for shooting to "confirm" himself are fucking frauds. Because it is pretty clear he is town from the claim itself.
Eden confirmed not reading or mafia.
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On February 06 2015 18:40 Holyflare wrote:
Setup setup setup talk at n1. Content plz. Since you're literally both saying mafia 100% has a rber you are talking about absolutely nothing
It is important because you fuckers want to shoot me.
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On February 06 2015 18:40 Holyflare wrote:
Setup setup setup talk at n1. Content plz. Since you're literally both saying mafia 100% has a rber you are talking about absolutely nothing
This guy has 0 problems with vigi shooting town.
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On February 06 2015 18:42 Holyflare wrote:
No we want to shoot into a list and you've done shit all all game and literally said "this is what happens when i don't play" and instead of find mafia you've somehow come to the conclusion the towniest people are the mafia and somehow ignore absolutely everyone else in the game
Why exactly are you town?
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On February 06 2015 18:43 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2015 18:36 Koshi wrote:On February 06 2015 18:27 Eden1892 wrote:
So this is actually another great reason for why Koshi is mafia. Palmar if you're town you'll dig this pretty hard.
Koshi isn't being sincere at all in his questioning. He's not trying to understand why my read on SL changed. Koshi was around at EOD to hear me repeat myself about SL being a distraction lynch. Instead of questioning me on that, he's resorted to digging through my very long filter, finding a post where I believed SL to be mafia, and then he's trying to frame it as negatively as possible. It's very disingenuous. And he is selectively ignoring arguments he can't respond to, like the filter length argument. This guy is a fraud. 1) I ask you to tell me why your read changed. How am I not trying to understand? On February 06 2015 17:53 Koshi wrote:On February 05 2015 12:54 Eden1892 wrote:
updating
1 Breshke
2 Eden1892
3 rsoultin
4 LightningStrike
5 Onegu
6 Damdred
7 Palmar
8 marvellosity
9 sicklucker
10 batsnacks
11 Koshi
12 Holyflare
13 justanothertownie
I have a mind to lynch Palmar next for being afk as much as he is. It's been one day so it's hard to know how much of that is just irl stuff and how much is actual lurking, but he seems less active than normal. Even when he's not trying to do a lot he's usually in the thread. His absence here is a little much.
Kinda feel like batsnacks is an okay lynch maybe? I don't remember off the top of my head what he's done this game.
Koshi is mostly the same. I remember both batsnacks and Koshi posting but not what they posted never mind I remember Koshi wanting to kill Breshke but then changing his mind-ish? Still not enough for me to be okay with him.
JAT I could just be paranoid on, but I really feel like he isn't doing a lot. He managed to boost his filter size up to snuff, but I don't feel like he's said/done a whole lot for its length. On February 06 2015 07:30 Eden1892 wrote:
It is this simple,
People who tried hard enough to earn a d2 (or more, as the case may be)
Damdred
sicklucker
Breshke
justanothertownie
People who didn't
Koshi
Onegu On February 06 2015 09:14 Eden1892 wrote:On February 06 2015 09:13 marvellosity wrote:
if rso is mafia, eden, you can apologise to me for defending her all day whenever i/hf were suspicious of her.
just sayin like yeah yeah kiss the ring for being wrong about like 3 ppl i defended and we'll call it square Can somebody show me why and where Eden flips his read on sl? He flipped reads 500 times this game but this one is the oddest I think. Out of all people I think Eden called SL mafia the most consistently. Yet I don't remember Eden pushing SL at all. Ever. 2) I am scumhunting. That is looking for oddities. I was around when you were yelling SL was a distraction lynch. BUT that was just to get me or Onegu lynched. THAT DOES NOT COUNT. Look at me: I am protecting town to lynch these other 2 townies. GJ EDEN 3) Mostly I have 3 pages of filter as scum D1 and then 6 pages after D3. So I am now confirmed town to you? (1) is pretty obvious to me from this quote: Show nested quote +On February 06 2015 18:18 Koshi wrote:
You called SL mafia multiple times. And you stopped calling him scum because you joined his wagon? Nice. That's not "asking me why my read changed" to "try to understand." That's a pithy, sarcastic one-liner that makes no effort to advance the conversation. I had to go back and basically repeat myself and find the quote you should have found for yourself (if you were going to go filter-dive me for pertinent quotes). You aren't trying to understand my read, you're very clearly trying to paint my indecisiveness about SL for most of the day as suspicious. (2) You aren't town, so I don't really find this rebuttal compelling. (3) No, because as I actually discussed in this thread already, ironically (though it's understandable if you missed it, it was a sidenote), that doesn't account for the activity level of the other threads. I only used a flat rate with my numbers because the discrepancy is so painfully apparent that you'd have to be incompetent or malevolent not to recognize it for what it is.
(1) Because it is suspicious.
(2) Keep being terrible.
(3) See (2)
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This game is fucking retarded. Grtz on spamming the thread with shit.
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Yeah well. It is the only way I am going to get any progression going.
The option to join the circle jerk and call Koshi mafia was not available.
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On February 06 2015 03:54 rsoultin wrote:
try to be back before eod
Might be back if it serves my agenda.
On February 06 2015 06:55 rsoultin wrote:
eden, why youre voting as you are and who youd be voting in a perfect world where only youre vote mattered if its any differebt please.
would also appreciate cliff notes but not holding my breath
Why would she want to sheep and have cliff notes? Doesn't make sense.
On February 06 2015 07:39 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2015 07:37 Onegu wrote:On February 06 2015 07:36 rsoultin wrote:On February 06 2015 07:34 Eden1892 wrote:On February 06 2015 07:33 Koshi wrote:
Where is this case from Onegu? I dunno but he has 10 minutes before I autofail him and lynch him instead of you Did you ever answer my question? Why Onegu? What question? I'm trying to figure out what Eden's doing since I don't have the time to read and decide for myself ><
Does this matter? Again look at this entire chain. If you want to sheep, sheep.
On February 06 2015 07:54 rsoultin wrote:
You sure this time, Eden?
DOES IT MATTER? It's 6 minutes before deadline. She was clearly around. She can jump around another 50485467 times if needed. This is a perfect example of a scum trying to keep their hands off the town lynch.
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On February 06 2015 19:29 marvellosity wrote:
i can't really be bothered to play anymore, so maybe you should shoot me
Tell the thread I am town first pls.
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 but I am totes town.
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Tell them it is 100% idiotic to shoot me.
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On February 06 2015 19:33 marvellosity wrote:
you used to actually do things, koshi.
it's really sad.
1 day. 1 day.
Why do I get blamed for not doing something 1 day?
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And I did things. Not big projects. But small things.
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On February 06 2015 19:36 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2015 19:35 Koshi wrote:On February 06 2015 19:33 marvellosity wrote:
you used to actually do things, koshi.
it's really sad. 1 day. 1 day. Why do I get blamed for not doing something 1 day? you've been doing it more and more. you used to just play hard, all the time. now i often see this type of excuse that you're not going to do much. why don't you just... do things all the time?
Because since I came back I died twice N1 and once N2 only because I replaced end D1...
I like to actually have some time to be right for once.
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On February 06 2015 19:36 Palmar wrote:I was super confident in sicklucker being town. Show nested quote +On February 06 2015 01:08 Palmar wrote:On February 06 2015 01:05 sicklucker wrote:
You guys really dont think im town? I kinda maybe very tentatively with as much hedging as possible think you are town. Although the real reason I'm quoting this is that I want everyone to not forget that I am town.
Yes very townie.
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On February 06 2015 19:37 Palmar wrote:
Just a random thought, how much have jat and HF talked to each other this game?
Good thought.
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On February 06 2015 03:27 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2015 03:25 Holyflare wrote:
jat why are you busy arguing with your voters instead of just showing them some mafia? Because I still have like 30 pages to read.
On February 06 2015 07:50 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2015 07:48 Holyflare wrote:
is nobody else concerned that all of onegu's points happen after he voted for koshi and onegu waited till he was literally forced to make a case 20 mins before deadline to make one?
or the fact he did nothing after saying he'd step it up
or the fact as soon as I called him out he instantly responded? The bolded is a good point.
On February 06 2015 07:57 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2015 07:56 Holyflare wrote:
abandon wagon ABANDON WAGON
SHEEP TO DAMDRED OR I LYNCH YOU TOMORROW How can you be so sure about that? What?
On February 06 2015 08:24 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2015 08:21 Holyflare wrote:
so breshke defends every wagon, probably mafia
jat decides to vote on none of the relevant wagons and has done nothing and is probably mafia
damd is probably town for his posting after deadline even though it shouldn't count but i'm going to call him a dick and game ruiner if he is mafia and did that
no idea wtf bats was doing Bullshit. Complete and utter bullshit.
On February 06 2015 08:52 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2015 08:51 Holyflare wrote:
pretty sure a town jat would have switched to onegu when I was pushing for it Why would I?
On February 06 2015 18:41 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2015 18:40 Holyflare wrote:
Setup setup setup talk at n1. Content plz. Since you're literally both saying mafia 100% has a rber you are talking about absolutely nothing Really? There is no way this guy is town.
These are all quotes between JAT and HF that aren't sarcastic nothings. Never a second reply or longer chain.
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On February 06 2015 19:39 Breshke wrote:
Koshi why was my claim so townie to make you flip on me and not doubt me
I am a sucker for blue claims. It is a weakness.
Also I instantly agreed with you that you shouldn't shoot. So it made it even more believable.
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