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justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
February 09 2015 22:37 GMT
#5110
I mean if bats is actually the doc and saved you then I guess it is possible (?) but I don't know about that.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
February 09 2015 22:37 GMT
#5113
They would never hold that shot. No way.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
February 09 2015 22:47 GMT
#5123
Yeah, sure. Very original thought there.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
February 09 2015 22:49 GMT
#5126
Bats... this will not be productive.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
February 09 2015 22:53 GMT
#5132
Yes, and this is a thing town bats would absolutely do. I really doubt scum bats would attack you like this. Scum bats is a pussy.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
February 09 2015 22:55 GMT
#5134
On February 10 2015 07:53 LightningStrike wrote:
He seemed much more motivated than his scum game where I played with him in Metal Mini and is more active than he was scum too. He also been trying ask a ton of questions and I know people will think I'm scum with marv but the reality is that Marv knows my meta as both alignments and ofc he would defend esp he defended me in Metal Mini vs Palmar when I was town when Palmar as town was pressuring me.

That's no reason to townread him. Look at imperial if you want to know how much scum marv is able to post.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
February 09 2015 22:55 GMT
#5136
On February 10 2015 07:55 LightningStrike wrote:
I never played with scum bats before so idk what to say about his meta. Care to link to his scum games?

I gave an example earlier today. FFL2. You can find it in the database.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
February 09 2015 22:58 GMT
#5138
On February 10 2015 07:57 LightningStrike wrote:
Fantasy Football League 2 Mafia? Also scum marv is more non existent than this game I feel. Also yes I know he posted a shit ton in Imperil but that game was like 400+ pages.

Yes. There are also other scumgames where marv posted a ton. Like the shadow game.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
February 09 2015 23:04 GMT
#5144
jerk
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
February 11 2015 10:48 GMT
#5602
On February 11 2015 19:07 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2015 14:48 scott31337 wrote:
On February 11 2015 12:29 Breshke wrote:
I think i actually played fairly bad and was lucky i was blue.

I also don't think claiming when i did was as good as i thought it was at the time


You doubt yourself - you did great You were town MVP this game.

I was still lost for the third scum. Bats and his fakeclaims and checking you - but hey I'm still a noob.

GG

Edit: Mafia QT/Docs of shots?

LS/others - Stop with so much meta - let it go, read the current game/thread. Palmar will be happy to help you, PM him

Rso - You did very well be proud

Meta is fucking fantastic.

edit: not that LS doesn't overuse meta, but it's a great tool.

On that note, don't really get some of the criticism of LS's play, looking back he looked really pretty town, made a decent case on jat-mafia when other townies were calling for my head, and actually listened on the final day unlike one townie who's been around a lot longer who shall remain nameless.

A decent case? pls
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
February 11 2015 10:49 GMT
#5603
The argument that I am angry as mafia and not as town is absolutely untrue.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
February 11 2015 10:51 GMT
#5604
The thing to learn from this game is to never ever ever post after deadline because it ruins games. Kudos to the hosts for modkilling like they did.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
February 11 2015 10:54 GMT
#5605
And marv, the only reason I had to call you scum is because you scumread me without ever reevaluating. Had you not done so then I probably wouldn't have called you scum.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
February 11 2015 10:59 GMT
#5607
On February 11 2015 19:56 marvellosity wrote:
I totally reevaluated. I reevaluated and you were even more certainly mafia than before.

No. You called me mafia and called me mafia and called me mafia. No reevaluation. Not even the slightest doubt at any point in time. And I did not really call you mafia before that. I just didn't call you town.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
February 11 2015 13:55 GMT
#5633
On February 11 2015 20:50 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2015 23:38 Palmar wrote:
as I said, I'm reading backwards, I reached this:

On February 05 2015 15:25 Eden1892 wrote:
This is what I was talking about, I should've quoted it in the same post.

On February 04 2015 21:32 justanothertownie wrote:
On February 04 2015 21:22 sicklucker wrote:
so jat both dandred and ls had totally made up town reads on you. Did you yell at them in the obs qt?

You were the only scumbuddy I ever had to yell at (goes to show how "good" your play was). And I didn't even once tell you to townread me.
From now on I will ignore your bullshit though. I won't let you feign activity by answering anything like this again.


"Won't let you feign activity"? Someone read that and tell me it doesn't sound fraudulent as hell


This here is why I am changing my vote to JAT.

The main point isn't actually the way it sounds. Also, I might be wrong because I don't know what context this was said in, but here's why I think it could make JAT mafia.

The sentence "I won't let you feign activity again" strongly, strongly implies that JAT has already made up his mind that sicklucker MUST be mafia in this scenario. In which case I had a quick look at the vote count, and I couldn't see JAT actually voting sicklucker at any point.

Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but I would never say something that is so damning unless I had made up my mind that he is mafia, in which case I'd be trying to lynch said player.


I love how right I was when I didn't use meta or associative reads.


You really weren't though. I am pretty sure I would have posted the same post or something very similar as town. I mean you aren't wrong to call me mafia but this is not why.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
February 11 2015 15:37 GMT
#5657
On February 11 2015 23:23 Half the Sky wrote:
Also Koshi, I want to stress again that:

1 the modkills on 2 potential lynches were 100% justified and there's nothing scum could have done about that
2 setups don't take (potential) modkills into consideration
3 I explained my reasons for wanting a vig in my game
4 the setup was triple-checked

If you want to propose how I could have done the setup, then suggest what you would have done, though I am curious to hear.

Yes, the game was not balanced but the (justified) modkills made it unwinnable for scum in the end. If the setup was triple checked then the guy checking it should not be balancing games though.
On February 11 2015 23:30 marvellosity wrote:
At least the cop made the checks that mafia would have handpicked themselves on both nights. Some cracking cop play.

True, but since everybody basically knew that we had no rb it was obvious that there were other roles and nobody believed the copcheck anyways. Also this not relevant to game balance.
On February 11 2015 23:53 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2015 23:27 Koshi wrote:
Mandatory balance talk:
Balance was greatly in favor of town. It should have been a 1 shot vig and an unaware miller to make it more balanced without changing the game set-up too much. A rb on scum would also have worked, but it would still be in favor of town because it isn't standard that the vigi claims D1.

[...]

It could also be balanced with a 1shot vigi on both teams. The miller then could have been made aware. An aware miller counts for a town role. Or practically 0.75 town role, but in theory you should just count it as a full town role. Making it 3 vs 2 in the power role count. [...]


Okay, these parts, between this and what Marv said on the roleblocker, it's making a bit more sense now once I'm thinking it through. Yeh once the game started, once the miller claims started, that's when I realised that part, but the vig thing would have never gotten through in my mind without the modkills. So much appreciated fleshing this out <3

Yes, I realise vig is swingy. We had two possible setups with a vig that were approved and we opted for this swingier one, maybe I should have gone more conservative (the other setup was 1-shot vig/nerfed medic v a scum RB), but what is done is done, and I do find this helpful going forward. I had read your post on the balance, and I'm not sure where you get the "0.75 town role" but now what you are saying makes sense if you are counting that as another full out PR.

A 2 shot vig in a 13 player game without a rb for scum. Just no. And then even a cop on top of that while scum only gets the weakest possible role with a framer. You cannot count on a miller to make the cops life harder if he is selfaware. The only thing a selfaware miller accomplishes is a near confirmed town and one less person for the cop to worry about.
The other setup seemed way way better at first glance.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
February 11 2015 16:05 GMT
#5665
On February 12 2015 00:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'll be honest and say I didn't pay too much attention to balancing the game. Went with some standard roles and figured it'd be fine. I also wasn't aware the miller was self-aware, so that was my bad. Koshi makes a good point on vigis clearing bad towns and that's something I learned this game.

Koshi's still bad for presuming cell is strongly mafia favoured though.

He may be bad but not for that...
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