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rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 09 2015 05:22 GMT
#4776
On February 09 2015 14:19 Breshke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2015 14:16 rsoultin wrote:
On February 09 2015 14:12 Breshke wrote:
okay lets look at this

If Jat flips town I am like 90% sure it confirms bat as town. Bat has been under like zero pressure and has seem to be associating himself with JAT so either he made a sick play or he can only be mafia with JAT. So then i think we lynch marv and LS and win

If Jat flips godfather i think it also confirms bats as town because then mafia's only PR (assuming no rb) does nothing against our only PR. Then i think we lynch marv and ls and win

If Jat flips goon then i don't really see any conclusions that can be come to because there could be a framer.


that sounds about right. like, the first two wouldn't confirm bats 100%, but you could drop him to the bottom of the lynch pool and just congratulate him for baller play if he fooled us lol


Yeah also even better marv has a scan. Obviously he should know that he either uses it on LS or Marv.



Marv's a claimed miller xP
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 09 2015 12:58 GMT
#4813
Even if that heuristic were right the majority of the time (which it might be, I don't know), I don't think a vig shot can be compared to a lynch? In the end that's one player's decision.

meh, it's too early in the morning
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 09 2015 13:06 GMT
#4814
Or modkills, for that matter.

Straight up strategically it makes more sense to kill the player who probably won't be able to talk himself out of a mislynch if he's town, if we're going to be honest here, because if the shot tonight is town it's MYLO. So I say do that or do your strongest scumread.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 09 2015 13:28 GMT
#4816
On February 09 2015 22:15 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2015 22:06 rsoultin wrote:
Or modkills, for that matter.

Straight up strategically it makes more sense to kill the player who probably won't be able to talk himself out of a mislynch if he's town, if we're going to be honest here, because if the shot tonight is town it's MYLO. So I say do that or do your strongest scumread.

on the flip side, you could argue to shoot the player who is most likely to talk himself out of a correct lynch


lol, fair enough
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 09 2015 17:23 GMT
#4953
friggin every time I leave the thread during the day y'all go batshit crazy

has anyone even bothered to question bats on his save if he's actually the medic? not to mention why he's giving out green checks on people? may be fun to go lolol he's probably not serious, but I can see other reasons for doing what he did, and they're not giving me warm townie feelings about him

and wtf eden, why are you so tunneled on marv?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 09 2015 17:27 GMT
#4956
On February 10 2015 02:24 marvellosity wrote:
I hand you my sword rsoultin

i blame eden if you're mafia


nah man, if you're the townie I think you are, you can convince even eden, but I won't be here to help. i'm just on my lunch break :/
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 09 2015 17:30 GMT
#4960
On February 10 2015 02:28 LightningStrike wrote:
rsoultin read my case on JAT being mafia please.
bats why you did you fake claim cop and if you really were medic who did you heal N1?


that's a good puppy lol <3

I looked through it, but i'll be honest, I liked my counter to his case better when I made it xP let me look at it closer
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 09 2015 17:34 GMT
#4964
On February 10 2015 00:57 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay guys I'm back and now I bring the case on why JAT is confirmed Mafia. Now lets start with my first piece of evidence his case on HF on page 15 of his filter:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2015 23:43 justanothertownie wrote:
Ok, so first of all HF is one of the best if not the best scum player on this site. You won't catch him for being inactive uninteresting or any of this shit and he will bus teammates who are playing badly. He will say towny stuff from time to time and he is also perfectly able to "mindmeld" with you at times. You need to look for the agenda he is pushing.

This is why he is mafia:

This is the start of his rsoultin scumread day1. From now on she is basically his #1 scumread.
On February 05 2015 07:03 Holyflare wrote:
I mean if i'm honest I'm probably more sure about rs than damdy

On February 05 2015 07:20 Holyflare wrote:
yeh rsoul is green when I just gave the best case against her ever

On February 05 2015 09:20 Holyflare wrote:
rs is like the biggest mafia and hardly anyone is mentioning her and goes off making cases on other people instead

On February 05 2015 10:10 Holyflare wrote:
On February 05 2015 10:07 Eden1892 wrote:
And shit you said Damdred got more townie. So even if rsoultin didn't, it's bullshit that you're telling me you still have a scumread and so you're content with being lazy.


it is what it is, rsoul has literally posted nothing all game and it hasn't really changed i don't care what your gut tells you or not

On February 06 2015 02:50 Holyflare wrote:
On February 06 2015 02:45 batsnacks wrote:
On February 06 2015 02:43 Holyflare wrote:
I'm at a crossroads between just not giving a crap about the game and giving a modicum of care towards the game with an emphasis on the former and it's somewhat annoying to me.

Nobody even mentioned me other than eden and i haven't even done anything this game really which is super boring and probably means mafia is the weaker players.


I'd vote you if that makes you feel better.

Breshke though... Really...


I'm more inclined to vote rs tbh


But when the deadline comes nearer and people are not all about lynching rsoultin he completely forgets about the read. He isn't decided on who to lynch and has MULTIPLE different targets suddenly that he keeps pushing really hard:
On February 06 2015 07:52 Holyflare wrote:
let's kill oneguuuuuuuuuu

if i'm wrong you can flame me for wasting your time

On February 06 2015 07:56 Holyflare wrote:
abandon wagon ABANDON WAGON

SHEEP TO DAMDRED OR I LYNCH YOU TOMORROW

On February 06 2015 07:57 Holyflare wrote:
god this breshke is actually 100% mafia or something

Notice how ALL of those are town and he can jump between them as much as he wants if he is mafia. No mention of rsoulting ever during all of this.
So what has rsoultin done to make him forget about her? The answer is absolutely nothing. She disappeared like he will say himself later.

Ok, so mislynch accomplished. Back to scumreading rsoultin immediately:
On February 06 2015 08:24 Holyflare wrote:
it's funny how rsoul just appeared at deadline to vote onegu and then completely disappeared again so probably 100% breshke/jat/rsoul


So, I point this out and this is his reaction:
On February 07 2015 01:15 Holyflare wrote:
How have I treated rs? I've thought she was mafia all game and at deadline onegu was way more convincing mafia but then he wasn't mafia so i went back to talking about rs being mafia?

Then where was this read during eod? He literally went after 3 other people and said nothing about her.
If you want to know how town HF handles his scumreads eod look at void mafia. He scumread HTS and pushed her hard even though noone else really was up for it besides Kelsier. He didn't give a fuck about other targets - he pushed HIS scumread.
Now he claimes he scumread rsoulting all game and then he does nothing about getting her lynched? There is no way town HF does this.
He is INSISTING that he never dropped his rsoultin reads though:
On February 07 2015 01:24 Holyflare wrote:
No it's not he said my read progression is damning because I drop it when I haven't


And then the real gem comes:
On February 07 2015 02:00 Holyflare wrote:
I'm also going to preemptively defend myself from a jat onslaught by saying i wasn't invested in this game at all until deadline so my rs read isn't very concrete compared to reads i was making in real time then. Seeing as I was mostly trolling, apart from the nagging what if on damdred.

Not only can you easily see the guilty conscience - he knows I am town and that I caught him and will push him - but SUDDENLY HIS READ WASN'T VERY CONCRETE?
Read the posts I quoted earlier again and decide for yourself if you want to believe this and keep in mind that he "scumread rsoultin all game" and "never dropped the read".

This guy is mafia. I will show more reasons but this rsoultin read evolution is damning enough on it's own and I don't want the post to get too big.

Show nested quote +
On February 07 2015 23:51 justanothertownie wrote:
On February 06 2015 08:51 Holyflare wrote:
pretty sure a town jat would have switched to onegu when I was pushing for it

Then we have this reasoning for scumreading me which makes no sense in the first place since I had more reasons to scumread SL than Onegu but even if we ignore this - why would I as scum make myself look bad by not following town marv and HF around (which I have done as scum before) if all lynch targets are town anyways and I could just switch as often as I want?
On February 06 2015 09:33 Holyflare wrote:
yeh mafia is undeniably palmar or jat because they are just the type of people to qq in their scum qt/pms about modkilling

I already commented on this post. It is just another awful reason to push me.
On February 06 2015 13:43 Holyflare wrote:
I'm still 100% lynching jat though he's done a void all over again where he avoids all the wagons and reasoning while still agreeing with it. He did the exact same thing in heavyweight too.

Flat out lying when I clearly WAS on one of the wagons and was also pushing it. Saying I avoided wagons in heavyweight is also a straight lie.

Then his defense against me:
On February 07 2015 01:25 Holyflare wrote:
It's absolutely not irrelevant because do you see him talking about rsoul at deadline? Absolutely not so if he is town then why does his read make sense to him when he did the same thing?

This is absolutely irrelevant. I was not the one pushing rsoulting as my top scumread.
On February 07 2015 01:32 Holyflare wrote:
On February 07 2015 01:26 marvellosity wrote:
his rsoul read came subsequently, pretty obviously, and yours didn't

so.


Rsoul has been in his poe list and someone he could have lynched the entire game and he barely ever commented on her

Like it doesn't matter anyway because his read is totally irrelevant if you read the deadline and if it's his only proper read this game when it should be pretty damn easy to poe the majority of mafia then he doesn't have much hope

Another lie. He said this when I had just poe'ed the mafia team a few posts before this. Still going on about how I read rsoultin which has nothing to do with my argument against him.
On February 07 2015 07:20 Holyflare wrote:
which is a pain because my effort level is low and i know jat is just going to whine and make it difficult to lynch him

He knows I am town and won't let myself be mislynched without putting up a fight.

Now if you looked in Void Mafia he was just as aggressive towards HF at Pages 1,2, and 3 of his filter on these same type of behavior towards a different player named Half the Sky before turned his attention to his scum read Marv in that game. Also note his behavior after HF backed off of JAT , JAT started to like him in Void Mafia at page 4.
From Void Mafia:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2015 04:27 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
On January 20 2015 23:12 marvellosity wrote:
On January 20 2015 22:10 marvellosity wrote:
I'm pretty confident on one mafia, but you're gonna have to wait for those pearls of wisdom until tomorrow.

P.S. I thought HF was leaning town already due to how he backed off his Wile push.

^
I liked that too but he would've made himself look pretty awful had he kept pushing.

Now if you look at his behavior regarding the votes on him or prssure on him he just attacked everyone including me and HF in this game. He did similar behavior throughout Void Mafia as scum and here is a convenient quote that JAT also in this game when someone mention him as scum in void Mafia when Koshi was town:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2015 08:03 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
On January 23 2015 08:02 Koshi wrote:
Anyway. Tomorrow I sheep HF. Just got to check he isnt as crazy as I was in the previous game. Maybe lynch Wile and then HTS. But hts will have to go soon.

no comment

and now here's some similar type of quotes from this game:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2015 03:12 justanothertownie wrote:
On February 09 2015 03:09 Holyflare wrote:
I still think it's jat :p

No comment.

Show nested quote +
On February 09 2015 02:54 justanothertownie wrote:
On February 09 2015 02:52 batsnacks wrote:
On February 09 2015 02:52 marvellosity wrote:
HF is 100% mafia, don't tell I didn't tell you so Eden.

DO NOT SAY I DID NOT TELL YOU SO.


jat is mafia too?

That's the part where it gets ridiculous.

Notice how he got angry on people wanting to lynch him throughout this game and in void he displayed the same behavior. When I played with him in Metal Mini he didn't seem to get mad as easily as this game and was activly solve the game there too.


Okay, LS, I did notice some similarities, especially in his interactions with HF, between Void and this game, though the aggression thing is neither here nor there.

But I want you to do something for me since I won't be here to do it. Demonstrate that jat doesn't get angry at people wanting to lynch him in his town games, and you've got a solid point that he's mafia.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 09 2015 17:39 GMT
#4966
On February 10 2015 02:35 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2015 02:33 Eden1892 wrote:
I just said he's highest % play but y'all can't blame me for wanting marv when that dude is straight up getting carried and coasting on a miller claim that isn't that hard to fake


It's your fault for fake claiming, you know.


lolol he's got a point, eden xP what was your purpose for fake-claiming, may I ask, if it wasn't to confirm a town (or catch out scum)
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 09 2015 17:54 GMT
#4970
meh, back to work...probably won't be back before EoN
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 10 2015 00:15 GMT
#5205
On February 10 2015 09:08 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2015 09:07 Breshke wrote:
On February 10 2015 09:02 marvellosity wrote:
On February 10 2015 09:01 Breshke wrote:
Yeah i think it should be bats today. Looking back at the D1 vote it is completely possible that Koshi goes onto sicklucker with JAT because his wagon was gaining speed. Bats also expresses interest in joining this wagon so koshi can switch back to onegu who he is actually scum reading.

I also couldn't let myself lose to bats when he has just called me mafia the entire game and hasn't really done much else.

##Vote Bats

Thought experiment for you Breshke:

was bats just gambling you would shoot me (or some town) tonight so he could call you mafia?

because obviously if you hit mafia he is going to look pretty bad, right?


If he is mafia I don't think the plan is to ever call me mafia. It is too late for that even if i hit a town like I don't think RSo flips on me. It is possible LS does or you maybe but i doubt it. I think the check on me is a wasted check it is a safe check. I know eden told him to randomly choose between me LS and RSo but i really didn't think he would choose me

then what's the point in calling you mafia when it's just gonna make him look bad at some point


Perhaps because it matches up with his breshke/marv scum team he kept on about when he initially "checked" Jat?

lol, great shot btw, bresh ^^
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 10 2015 00:18 GMT
#5208
On February 10 2015 09:17 LightningStrike wrote:
rsoultin check my case on JAT and tell how right I was?


heh, you were definitely right about his alignment I only skimmed it, LS, but apart from a few tone reads I think you missed, it looked pretty solid
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 10 2015 00:21 GMT
#5210
On February 10 2015 09:19 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2015 09:16 LightningStrike wrote:
Also there is no way JAT would be seen green on a real cop check so therefore I think bats is mafia because only GF would appear green to a Cop check and JAT was a goon not a GF.


LS is either a next level super-troll from the future sent to humble us or...

He's town because he doesn't know why my jat check was green.


then who is scum, bats? because you're not looking great to me, either, honestly
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 10 2015 00:24 GMT
#5212
My sarcasm detector doesn't work on all caps.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 10 2015 00:28 GMT
#5217
On February 10 2015 09:26 marvellosity wrote:
oh god i have a terrible feeling


and that is?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 10 2015 00:35 GMT
#5221
meh, this feels like it should be a no-brainer, with an extra mislynch

but then, if it's a no-brainer, I don't know why the last scum hasn't conceded yet -_-
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 10 2015 00:46 GMT
#5224
On February 10 2015 09:40 Breshke wrote:
RSo can you tell me what you think about Marv, LS and Bats i just wanna know where your head is it


Well you're obviously confirmed town, and I've been so positive that Marv is town ever since I actually caught up with the thread...

Bats, what with all his claims, and bailing jat out, seems to be the obvious scum here, with ls behind as poe. ls has been acting weirdly confident all game except at certain key points, like bats' claim.

But I'm having a hard time seeing either of them not conceding with jat and koshi dead. There's no possible way there could be 4 mafia in this game, is there?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 10 2015 00:49 GMT
#5227
On February 10 2015 09:47 marvellosity wrote:
no mafia should or would concede in this position, it's only 2ml, anything can happen

look at d2

one townie, one mafia on the block

it's 5-2 with the mafia leading

then the massive distraction with me comes along and the mafia gets saved


you're probably right
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 10 2015 00:51 GMT
#5228
On February 10 2015 09:48 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2015 09:46 rsoultin wrote:
On February 10 2015 09:40 Breshke wrote:
RSo can you tell me what you think about Marv, LS and Bats i just wanna know where your head is it


Well you're obviously confirmed town, and I've been so positive that Marv is town ever since I actually caught up with the thread...

Bats, what with all his claims, and bailing jat out, seems to be the obvious scum here, with ls behind as poe. ls has been acting weirdly confident all game except at certain key points, like bats' claim.

But I'm having a hard time seeing either of them not conceding with jat and koshi dead. There's no possible way there could be 4 mafia in this game, is there?


You're not LS so there is zero excuse: why are you putting any weight into bolded what so ever?


lol, I've made it very clear how much I dislike fake claims on multiple occasions xP i'm past the lynch-all-liars stage, bats, but it doesn't strengthen your position. You conveniently bolded the less significant portion. Bailing jats out of the lynch yesterday is obviously more suspicious
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 10 2015 01:04 GMT
#5235
On February 10 2015 09:57 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2015 09:51 rsoultin wrote:
On February 10 2015 09:48 batsnacks wrote:
On February 10 2015 09:46 rsoultin wrote:
On February 10 2015 09:40 Breshke wrote:
RSo can you tell me what you think about Marv, LS and Bats i just wanna know where your head is it


Well you're obviously confirmed town, and I've been so positive that Marv is town ever since I actually caught up with the thread...

Bats, what with all his claims, and bailing jat out, seems to be the obvious scum here, with ls behind as poe. ls has been acting weirdly confident all game except at certain key points, like bats' claim.

But I'm having a hard time seeing either of them not conceding with jat and koshi dead. There's no possible way there could be 4 mafia in this game, is there?


You're not LS so there is zero excuse: why are you putting any weight into bolded what so ever?


lol, I've made it very clear how much I dislike fake claims on multiple occasions xP i'm past the lynch-all-liars stage, bats, but it doesn't strengthen your position. You conveniently bolded the less significant portion. Bailing jats out of the lynch yesterday is obviously more suspicious


jat was leading in votes, would have been lynched 100% without my claim, had just made a case on someone I thought he would logically think is mafia as town, AND I had a theory that explained all of the bizarre night actions.

So I claimed.

AND IT WAS A MISTAKE


bats, did you ever explain your theory on breshke and marv? having a different theory doesn't make you scum, but I don't recall the reasoning. why would you check breshke anyway if you thought it was breshke and marv? marv is a claimed miller. he would always check red to a cop, whether his claim was true or not. if you believe breshke and marv are scum, you believe jat is town. you're supposedly a cop. why would you check someone who is likely a godfather or a framer, in your scum world? or did you think scum had no roles this game?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
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