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On February 06 2015 14:33 Holyflare wrote:
and just believe™ in my batsnacks read eden because literally the first thing he did this game was fly out of the gates and question people on inconsistencies and push people he thought was mafia when in stuff like fanfic I criticised him of posting with 0 content and just blending in
not really his mafia game at all imo especially as he was actually pushing his scum read breshke to get lynched
OK I'm all-in but you should believe™ me about rso then. If I'm wrong and she's mafia then lol me. But I really think what happened this game is Palmar and JAT opened the scum QT and saw each other and Koshi in it and lol'd hard at how bad they were gonna roll this game and then didn't try very hard the whole time while you me and marv chased headless chickens like puppies who hadn't been housetrained yet. You can sub marv in for one of those 3 if I'm wrong on them but that's where I'm at
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On February 06 2015 14:45 Breshke wrote:
So even if we add marv to the list but take out RSo and bats cos of townreads we are elft with
Koshi
JAT
Palmar
Marv
If they dont have a RB we can kill all these people. I think marv is town but i get that he is a good player and im sure when he is motivated to play scum he does it well. Eden why is hf town?
Because he and I are on the same wavelength way too hard for him to be mafia. If he is mafia then I am the donkey of the year
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On February 06 2015 14:49 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2015 14:47 Eden1892 wrote:On February 06 2015 14:45 Breshke wrote:
So even if we add marv to the list but take out RSo and bats cos of townreads we are elft with
Koshi
JAT
Palmar
Marv
If they dont have a RB we can kill all these people. I think marv is town but i get that he is a good player and im sure when he is motivated to play scum he does it well. Eden why is hf town? Because he and I are on the same wavelength way too hard for him to be mafia. If he is mafia then I am the donkey of the year No that's understandable ive had that before in that newbie game with rsoultin that you coached her in. What about all the koshi + HF is a probable team stuff
If I'm deciding HF is mafia that makes sense, but I just don't see it. It's possible mafia HF spawns the Onegu wagon last second off of me declaring it'd be one or the other to save Koshi, I guess, but in situations like these where the guy repeatedly has the same thought I had to the same stuff we're reading, I've made up my mind not to lynch him on policy, because I'll lose more games by getting paranoid and mislynching people who agree with me than I'll lose games by getting naive and not lynching mafia who manage to mindmeld with me.
I guess it's worth exploring one thing though. HF, why did you want Onegu over Koshi?
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On February 06 2015 15:02 Holyflare wrote:
Because of what i said at lynch time? Onegu was reading the thread said he'd step up and didn't do shit and his vote came before all the stuff he made a case about and he was forced to make a case 20 mins before deadline instead of on own free will
Koshi was just meh
Cool, yeah that all makes sense
Feeling pretty good about Palmar/JAT/Koshi scumteam atm
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Sweet, that means I get to make it to d2 and carry!!!!
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I'm being selfish now but I really want to see a shot out of my list. If nothing else, an errant kill will let us know we need to revise our thinking sooner rather than later
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Don't discuss it with me though I'm just going to be not very subtly nudging you to shoot 
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Koshi might actually be the better shot IMO. HF will probs disagree but I feel like if we're entertaining the question "which of these guys is more likely to be town?" then JAT put a little more work in of the two of them
If you're shooting out of those 3 though I'm gonna be okay with any of them.
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On February 06 2015 16:40 Holyflare wrote:
Actually no fuck it koshi isn't town after his void obs qt bs 100% shoot him
GOD BLESS
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Ugh why didn't I just follow that earlierrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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Actually I think I'd rather shoot JAT because JAT is harder to argue against than Koshi
Lol at me literally using mafia logic to determine in what order to kill the mafia
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On February 06 2015 17:53 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2015 12:54 Eden1892 wrote:
updating
1 Breshke
2 Eden1892
3 rsoultin
4 LightningStrike
5 Onegu
6 Damdred
7 Palmar
8 marvellosity
9 sicklucker
10 batsnacks
11 Koshi
12 Holyflare
13 justanothertownie
I have a mind to lynch Palmar next for being afk as much as he is. It's been one day so it's hard to know how much of that is just irl stuff and how much is actual lurking, but he seems less active than normal. Even when he's not trying to do a lot he's usually in the thread. His absence here is a little much.
Kinda feel like batsnacks is an okay lynch maybe? I don't remember off the top of my head what he's done this game.
Koshi is mostly the same. I remember both batsnacks and Koshi posting but not what they posted never mind I remember Koshi wanting to kill Breshke but then changing his mind-ish? Still not enough for me to be okay with him.
JAT I could just be paranoid on, but I really feel like he isn't doing a lot. He managed to boost his filter size up to snuff, but I don't feel like he's said/done a whole lot for its length. Show nested quote +On February 06 2015 07:30 Eden1892 wrote:
It is this simple,
People who tried hard enough to earn a d2 (or more, as the case may be)
Damdred
sicklucker
Breshke
justanothertownie
People who didn't
Koshi
Onegu Show nested quote +On February 06 2015 09:14 Eden1892 wrote:On February 06 2015 09:13 marvellosity wrote:
if rso is mafia, eden, you can apologise to me for defending her all day whenever i/hf were suspicious of her.
just sayin like yeah yeah kiss the ring for being wrong about like 3 ppl i defended and we'll call it square Can somebody show me why and where Eden flips his read on sl? He flipped reads 500 times this game but this one is the oddest I think. Out of all people I think Eden called SL mafia the most consistently. Yet I don't remember Eden pushing SL at all. Ever.
Probably because you cherry-picked one time where I called SL mafia instead of the several times I called him town. Do you not remember the several hours I spent yesterday pushing JAT and agreeing with sicklucker that JAT was suspicious? Were you not in the thread when I repeatedly told town that SL was a lynchbait distraction and tried to push you/Onegu? (spoiler alert you were)
My filter in this game is longer after three days than every single mafiaside game I have ever played on TL combined.
6/10 nice effort on trying to look productive but you're gonna have to do better than that to make me reconsider.
On February 06 2015 17:54 Koshi wrote:
Also. This proofs I am town.
Vets tried to get me lynched d1 but chickened out because they know I can flip my townswitch on any time.
I was literally the only "vet" (if I even count) trying to get you lynched at EOD. HF wanted Onegu, Palmar and marv wanted Damdred, JAT wanted sicklucker, you wanted Anybody-But-You. What are you talking about?
On February 06 2015 17:44 Koshi wrote:
I am not able to mindmelt in this game because the thread is 100% on the wrong track. It is time to fucking read into HF/Eden/Palmar/marv and look if they are town. Because they are actually the ones leading the thread around. And it was lead to 4 fucking town wagons.
Rich that you completely bail on d1, nearly get yourself lynched for it and then have the gall to complain about thread direction.
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On February 06 2015 18:18 Koshi wrote:
You called SL mafia multiple times. And you stopped calling him scum because you joined his wagon? Nice.
Sweet deflection from the filter boom. You know I'm town, this isn't going anywhere.
For your convenience:
On February 05 2015 08:38 Eden1892 wrote:Haha I just read sicklucker's filter after rsoultin mentioned him and came across this post Show nested quote +On February 04 2015 21:32 justanothertownie wrote:On February 04 2015 21:22 sicklucker wrote:
so jat both dandred and ls had totally made up town reads on you. Did you yell at them in the obs qt? You were the only scumbuddy I ever had to yell at (goes to show how "good" your play was). And I didn't even once tell you to townread me. From now on I will ignore your bullshit though. I won't let you feign activity by answering anything like this again. This sounds hella fraudulent to me I also think SL is probably town, both for the thing marv pointed out and his general demeanor. He's a lot more light and clearly having more fun, like he doesn't feel the need to prove himself this game. It fits with his self-declared preference for playing mafia, I think if he were mafia he would be more uptight than he has been because he'd be trying hard to win. And he also kept trying to do stuff d1 even after declaring that he would skip out on the day.
Yeah, I changed my mind a few times throughout the day on SL's alignment. I ultimately settled in on him as town about 1.5 hrs before EOD though, and I was very vocal about why. It's exactly like I said earlier: The mafia in this game are identified through the absence of behavior rather than the presence of sketchy behavior. The thread is spammy (sort-of-sorry) and all the popular targets were clear lynchbait (including Onegu, with the meds excuse, but I lost sight of my focus for a minute near EOD and mislynched him).
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So this is actually another great reason for why Koshi is mafia. Palmar if you're town you'll dig this pretty hard.
Koshi isn't being sincere at all in his questioning. He's not trying to understand why my read on SL changed. Koshi was around at EOD to hear me repeat myself about SL being a distraction lynch. Instead of questioning me on that, he's resorted to digging through my very long filter, finding a post where I believed SL to be mafia, and then he's trying to frame it as negatively as possible. It's very disingenuous. And he is selectively ignoring arguments he can't respond to, like the filter length argument. This guy is a fraud.
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On February 06 2015 18:27 Koshi wrote:
best scenario vigi:
7 vs 3
6 vs 2 nk +vig
5 vs 2 ml 2
4 vs 2 nk
3 vs 2 ml 3
2 vs 2 loss after nk
worst scenario vigi:
7 vs 3
5 vs 3 nk + vigi
4 vs 3 ml 2
3 vs 3 loss after nk
No shot vigi:
7 vs 3
6 vs 3 nk
5 vs 3 ml 2
4 vs 3 nk
3 vs 3 loss after ml 3
Why would vigi shoot if it doesn't gain us a ml? And saying during the night it "confirms" breshke if he shoots smells of pushing mafia agenda. Because
1) he might be scum vigi (would be very dumb to claim unless you can magically shoot town and thread approves, which is happening so yeah....)
2) he might be rb (does this then make him suddenly scum?)
and tbh if he doesn't shoot and there is no blue CC he is probably town ANYWAY.
+ the claim would be pretty insane mafia play.
So yeah, he is very likely town. So saying he is confirmed town for shooting is really bad.
He would shoot if he felt he had a chance to hit mafia, naturally. You'll notice no one recommended he shoot until people (me and HF) got confident in our suspects.
Breshke would be confirmed as town vig if he shot mafia. It's pretty simple. If he hits a townie then he's unconfirmed naturally, although I think setup speculation would still favor town vig. (Antitown role in miller + something as strong as scum vig? We better be sitting on some damn haymaker roles.)
But incidentally this is another good example of Koshi approaching this from a mafia POV. He makes a decent point that Breshke isn't absolutely confirmed just because he shoots, but instead of recognizing this as an oversight, he immediately reaches for the most sinister conclusion he can. He's not earnestly trying to determine any alignments, he's just trying to turn any mole hill he can latch onto into a mountain.
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On February 06 2015 18:36 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2015 18:27 Eden1892 wrote:
So this is actually another great reason for why Koshi is mafia. Palmar if you're town you'll dig this pretty hard.
Koshi isn't being sincere at all in his questioning. He's not trying to understand why my read on SL changed. Koshi was around at EOD to hear me repeat myself about SL being a distraction lynch. Instead of questioning me on that, he's resorted to digging through my very long filter, finding a post where I believed SL to be mafia, and then he's trying to frame it as negatively as possible. It's very disingenuous. And he is selectively ignoring arguments he can't respond to, like the filter length argument. This guy is a fraud. 1) I ask you to tell me why your read changed. How am I not trying to understand? Show nested quote +On February 06 2015 17:53 Koshi wrote:On February 05 2015 12:54 Eden1892 wrote:
updating
1 Breshke
2 Eden1892
3 rsoultin
4 LightningStrike
5 Onegu
6 Damdred
7 Palmar
8 marvellosity
9 sicklucker
10 batsnacks
11 Koshi
12 Holyflare
13 justanothertownie
I have a mind to lynch Palmar next for being afk as much as he is. It's been one day so it's hard to know how much of that is just irl stuff and how much is actual lurking, but he seems less active than normal. Even when he's not trying to do a lot he's usually in the thread. His absence here is a little much.
Kinda feel like batsnacks is an okay lynch maybe? I don't remember off the top of my head what he's done this game.
Koshi is mostly the same. I remember both batsnacks and Koshi posting but not what they posted never mind I remember Koshi wanting to kill Breshke but then changing his mind-ish? Still not enough for me to be okay with him.
JAT I could just be paranoid on, but I really feel like he isn't doing a lot. He managed to boost his filter size up to snuff, but I don't feel like he's said/done a whole lot for its length. On February 06 2015 07:30 Eden1892 wrote:
It is this simple,
People who tried hard enough to earn a d2 (or more, as the case may be)
Damdred
sicklucker
Breshke
justanothertownie
People who didn't
Koshi
Onegu On February 06 2015 09:14 Eden1892 wrote:On February 06 2015 09:13 marvellosity wrote:
if rso is mafia, eden, you can apologise to me for defending her all day whenever i/hf were suspicious of her.
just sayin like yeah yeah kiss the ring for being wrong about like 3 ppl i defended and we'll call it square Can somebody show me why and where Eden flips his read on sl? He flipped reads 500 times this game but this one is the oddest I think. Out of all people I think Eden called SL mafia the most consistently. Yet I don't remember Eden pushing SL at all. Ever. 2) I am scumhunting. That is looking for oddities. I was around when you were yelling SL was a distraction lynch. BUT that was just to get me or Onegu lynched. THAT DOES NOT COUNT. Look at me: I am protecting town to lynch these other 2 townies. GJ EDEN 3) Mostly I have 3 pages of filter as scum D1 and then 6 pages after D3. So I am now confirmed town to you?
(1) is pretty obvious to me from this quote:
On February 06 2015 18:18 Koshi wrote:
You called SL mafia multiple times. And you stopped calling him scum because you joined his wagon? Nice.
That's not "asking me why my read changed" to "try to understand." That's a pithy, sarcastic one-liner that makes no effort to advance the conversation. I had to go back and basically repeat myself and find the quote you should have found for yourself (if you were going to go filter-dive me for pertinent quotes). You aren't trying to understand my read, you're very clearly trying to paint my indecisiveness about SL for most of the day as suspicious.
(2) You aren't town, so I don't really find this rebuttal compelling.
(3) No, because as I actually discussed in this thread already, ironically (though it's understandable if you missed it, it was a sidenote), that doesn't account for the activity level of the other threads. I only used a flat rate with my numbers because the discrepancy is so painfully apparent that you'd have to be incompetent or malevolent not to recognize it for what it is.
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On February 06 2015 18:38 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2015 18:31 Eden1892 wrote:On February 06 2015 18:27 Koshi wrote:
best scenario vigi:
7 vs 3
6 vs 2 nk +vig
5 vs 2 ml 2
4 vs 2 nk
3 vs 2 ml 3
2 vs 2 loss after nk
worst scenario vigi:
7 vs 3
5 vs 3 nk + vigi
4 vs 3 ml 2
3 vs 3 loss after nk
No shot vigi:
7 vs 3
6 vs 3 nk
5 vs 3 ml 2
4 vs 3 nk
3 vs 3 loss after ml 3
Why would vigi shoot if it doesn't gain us a ml? And saying during the night it "confirms" breshke if he shoots smells of pushing mafia agenda. Because
1) he might be scum vigi (would be very dumb to claim unless you can magically shoot town and thread approves, which is happening so yeah....)
2) he might be rb (does this then make him suddenly scum?)
and tbh if he doesn't shoot and there is no blue CC he is probably town ANYWAY.
+ the claim would be pretty insane mafia play.
So yeah, he is very likely town. So saying he is confirmed town for shooting is really bad. He would shoot if he felt he had a chance to hit mafia, naturally. You'll notice no one recommended he shoot until people (me and HF) got confident in our suspects. Breshke would be confirmed as town vig if he shot mafia. It's pretty simple. If he hits a townie then he's unconfirmed naturally, although I think setup speculation would still favor town vig. (Antitown role in miller + something as strong as scum vig? We better be sitting on some damn haymaker roles.) But incidentally this is another good example of Koshi approaching this from a mafia POV. He makes a decent point that Breshke isn't absolutely confirmed just because he shoots, but instead of recognizing this as an oversight, he immediately reaches for the most sinister conclusion he can. He's not earnestly trying to determine any alignments, he's just trying to turn any mole hill he can latch onto into a mountain. No? I am proving that people who push breshke for shooting to "confirm" himself are fucking frauds. Because it is pretty clear he is town from the claim itself. Eden confirmed not reading or mafia.
No one argued for this. You're going to have to work harder to misrepresent me than that. I brought up the idea of confirming Breshke to remove any doubt on his claim, which as you'd note if you were reading the thread sincerely instead of hopping around in a desperate fit trying to find anything to throw at me, I believed immediately, but other people didn't. My primary reason for wanting him to shoot has always been because I felt confident in my suspects and wanted to hit mafia tonight.
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On February 06 2015 18:40 Holyflare wrote:
Setup setup setup talk at n1. Content plz. Since you're literally both saying mafia 100% has a rber you are talking about absolutely nothing
Amen
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On February 06 2015 18:47 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2015 18:43 Eden1892 wrote:On February 06 2015 18:36 Koshi wrote:On February 06 2015 18:27 Eden1892 wrote:
So this is actually another great reason for why Koshi is mafia. Palmar if you're town you'll dig this pretty hard.
Koshi isn't being sincere at all in his questioning. He's not trying to understand why my read on SL changed. Koshi was around at EOD to hear me repeat myself about SL being a distraction lynch. Instead of questioning me on that, he's resorted to digging through my very long filter, finding a post where I believed SL to be mafia, and then he's trying to frame it as negatively as possible. It's very disingenuous. And he is selectively ignoring arguments he can't respond to, like the filter length argument. This guy is a fraud. 1) I ask you to tell me why your read changed. How am I not trying to understand? On February 06 2015 17:53 Koshi wrote:On February 05 2015 12:54 Eden1892 wrote:
updating
1 Breshke
2 Eden1892
3 rsoultin
4 LightningStrike
5 Onegu
6 Damdred
7 Palmar
8 marvellosity
9 sicklucker
10 batsnacks
11 Koshi
12 Holyflare
13 justanothertownie
I have a mind to lynch Palmar next for being afk as much as he is. It's been one day so it's hard to know how much of that is just irl stuff and how much is actual lurking, but he seems less active than normal. Even when he's not trying to do a lot he's usually in the thread. His absence here is a little much.
Kinda feel like batsnacks is an okay lynch maybe? I don't remember off the top of my head what he's done this game.
Koshi is mostly the same. I remember both batsnacks and Koshi posting but not what they posted never mind I remember Koshi wanting to kill Breshke but then changing his mind-ish? Still not enough for me to be okay with him.
JAT I could just be paranoid on, but I really feel like he isn't doing a lot. He managed to boost his filter size up to snuff, but I don't feel like he's said/done a whole lot for its length. On February 06 2015 07:30 Eden1892 wrote:
It is this simple,
People who tried hard enough to earn a d2 (or more, as the case may be)
Damdred
sicklucker
Breshke
justanothertownie
People who didn't
Koshi
Onegu On February 06 2015 09:14 Eden1892 wrote:On February 06 2015 09:13 marvellosity wrote:
if rso is mafia, eden, you can apologise to me for defending her all day whenever i/hf were suspicious of her.
just sayin like yeah yeah kiss the ring for being wrong about like 3 ppl i defended and we'll call it square Can somebody show me why and where Eden flips his read on sl? He flipped reads 500 times this game but this one is the oddest I think. Out of all people I think Eden called SL mafia the most consistently. Yet I don't remember Eden pushing SL at all. Ever. 2) I am scumhunting. That is looking for oddities. I was around when you were yelling SL was a distraction lynch. BUT that was just to get me or Onegu lynched. THAT DOES NOT COUNT. Look at me: I am protecting town to lynch these other 2 townies. GJ EDEN 3) Mostly I have 3 pages of filter as scum D1 and then 6 pages after D3. So I am now confirmed town to you? (1) is pretty obvious to me from this quote: On February 06 2015 18:18 Koshi wrote:
You called SL mafia multiple times. And you stopped calling him scum because you joined his wagon? Nice. That's not "asking me why my read changed" to "try to understand." That's a pithy, sarcastic one-liner that makes no effort to advance the conversation. I had to go back and basically repeat myself and find the quote you should have found for yourself (if you were going to go filter-dive me for pertinent quotes). You aren't trying to understand my read, you're very clearly trying to paint my indecisiveness about SL for most of the day as suspicious. (2) You aren't town, so I don't really find this rebuttal compelling. (3) No, because as I actually discussed in this thread already, ironically (though it's understandable if you missed it, it was a sidenote), that doesn't account for the activity level of the other threads. I only used a flat rate with my numbers because the discrepancy is so painfully apparent that you'd have to be incompetent or malevolent not to recognize it for what it is. (1) Because it is suspicious. (2) Keep being terrible. (3) See (2)
(1) I would be more sympathetic to you saying it's suspicious if you came to that conclusion after an earnest and thorough assessment of my read on sicklucker as it's evolved throughout the thread. Instead you cherry-picked one quote where I said he was mafia and one later where I said he was town and pretended like I just jumped to that conclusion without explanation, when I've now specifically quoted back to you exactly why and when I switched.
(2) CSB
(3) What is terrible about my argument based on my filter? If it's so bad you should be able to refute it with something.
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On February 06 2015 18:49 Holyflare wrote:
Anyone that questions eden as town after he literally just played abysmal mafia and got lynched day 1 last game deserves to be shot by a vig
Anyone that questions hf as town after he literally conceded mafia night 1 last game deserves to be shot by a vig
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