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On February 08 2015 02:40 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2015 02:33 rsoultin wrote:On February 08 2015 02:29 marvellosity wrote:On February 08 2015 02:23 Eden1892 wrote:On February 08 2015 02:09 rsoultin wrote:On February 08 2015 02:07 Eden1892 wrote:On February 08 2015 02:06 rsoultin wrote:On February 08 2015 02:02 Eden1892 wrote:
HF please satisfactorily rebut JAT's case so I don't have to lynch you over him against literally every emotional fiber of my being right now Hey, Eden, did you see marv's post on a jat/bats scumteam being unlikely? yeah, what of it well, I mean, I intend to go through jat's games to verify that myself, but if it holds true, what then? honestly I'm lynching HF rn my vote's still on JAT because I feel like it but short of a really compelling defense from HF, he gone like no bullshit JAT had a really solid case on HF funny that all rsoultin did is mock the case then, right? you know, the number of times you say things that are untrue is getting annoying if all I did was mock his case then why was I questioning him on one of his points? you are so mafia all you did was question him on random sl/onegu shit, nothnig to do with HF. All you actually did do to his case on HF was mock it Show nested quote +On February 08 2015 00:06 rsoultin wrote:On February 07 2015 23:59 LightningStrike wrote:
rsoultin what you think of JAT's case on HF being scum for the 3rd time with me and you? I could have sworn this case had already been made earlier in the game, LS, or at least the point has already been brought up. Have to double-check who it was, though. Saying that people were actually pushing to lynch me Day 1 is complete bullocks. I was mentioned but no one voted for me except Eden. The only thing that even would make this case significant is if town HF always stubbornly sticks to one scum read as town, which is not something I can speak to. Show nested quote +On February 08 2015 00:16 rsoultin wrote:On February 08 2015 00:14 justanothertownie wrote:On February 08 2015 00:12 rsoultin wrote:On February 08 2015 00:05 justanothertownie wrote:On February 08 2015 00:01 rsoultin wrote:On February 07 2015 22:48 justanothertownie wrote:On February 07 2015 12:45 rsoultin wrote:
^ Like, I have no good reason to believe jat is town, and he should be the lynch, but I keep coming back to that and going meh. I have a reason to not lynch jat. But let's lynch him anyways. Seems legit. On February 07 2015 12:47 Eden1892 wrote:On February 07 2015 12:43 rsoultin wrote:
Okay, so forgive me for going back into WIFOM land, but I'm having trouble wrapping my mind around a scum koshi and a scum jat pushing hard for breshke not to shoot...but no rb and no kill. That just makes no sense to me -_- ...if they have no rb then they would very obviously want us not to shoot. Lol It would be stranger if they were mafia and pushing for Breshke to shoot with no rb. As it is this makes perfect sense. They don't want us shooting so they argue for us not to shoot because that's the only way we don't shoot If I was mafia with Koshi and we had no rb then we would kill Breshke. What kind of nonsense is this?
Interesting how you take my post that actually says I have no good reason to believe you're town and then construe it as I have a good reason not to lynch you. You think it's any more likely for a Koshi/HF team to leave Bresh alive than you and Koshi? It makes no sense for any player in this game to do that! "I keep coming back to that" good reason to townread me. Yes, it is more likely for a Koshi/HF team to do this since it was pretty likely that Breshke would shoot me or Koshi. And yes, it doesn't make much sense for anyone to do this but the only possible explanation I see is that they were gambling on Breshke shooting me. Give me a good reason to townread you, then. What have you really done all game? I mean, seriously? Cause this NK speculation stuff makes 0 sense for anyone as mafia. I can use that lovely WIFOM to try to clear myself, too. Like, why in the world as mafia would I keep insisting Breshke shoot either me or my scum partner, if we're not going to RB or kill him? This is nonsense. No mafia team is going to sit around with their thumb up their ass and go 'well, hehe, there's a 50/50 chance breshke shoots town so let's roll the dice and hope he kills jat'. Such a dumb argument. I love how you just keep attacking me for nonsense but completely ignore the huge case on HF. You've already responded to my thoughts on your huge "case". Nice try.
All you're even saying is that I was his scumread and he didn't push me at EoD when there were what? Three, four other wagons? That case is so flimsy it's hilarious. Good job making it look huge with all the quotes, though. 
Most of his case was about him, marv. At least that's how I read it.
Like, the HF dropping a read part and picking it back up again. So what? Does that make him scum? HF and Jat were literally accusing each other of the same thing...namely their reads on me and not pushing me.
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On February 08 2015 02:42 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2015 02:40 marvellosity wrote:On February 08 2015 02:33 rsoultin wrote:On February 08 2015 02:29 marvellosity wrote:On February 08 2015 02:23 Eden1892 wrote:On February 08 2015 02:09 rsoultin wrote:On February 08 2015 02:07 Eden1892 wrote:On February 08 2015 02:06 rsoultin wrote:On February 08 2015 02:02 Eden1892 wrote:
HF please satisfactorily rebut JAT's case so I don't have to lynch you over him against literally every emotional fiber of my being right now Hey, Eden, did you see marv's post on a jat/bats scumteam being unlikely? yeah, what of it well, I mean, I intend to go through jat's games to verify that myself, but if it holds true, what then? honestly I'm lynching HF rn my vote's still on JAT because I feel like it but short of a really compelling defense from HF, he gone like no bullshit JAT had a really solid case on HF funny that all rsoultin did is mock the case then, right? you know, the number of times you say things that are untrue is getting annoying if all I did was mock his case then why was I questioning him on one of his points? you are so mafia all you did was question him on random sl/onegu shit, nothnig to do with HF. All you actually did do to his case on HF was mock it On February 08 2015 00:06 rsoultin wrote:On February 07 2015 23:59 LightningStrike wrote:
rsoultin what you think of JAT's case on HF being scum for the 3rd time with me and you? I could have sworn this case had already been made earlier in the game, LS, or at least the point has already been brought up. Have to double-check who it was, though. Saying that people were actually pushing to lynch me Day 1 is complete bullocks. I was mentioned but no one voted for me except Eden. The only thing that even would make this case significant is if town HF always stubbornly sticks to one scum read as town, which is not something I can speak to. On February 08 2015 00:16 rsoultin wrote:On February 08 2015 00:14 justanothertownie wrote:On February 08 2015 00:12 rsoultin wrote:On February 08 2015 00:05 justanothertownie wrote:On February 08 2015 00:01 rsoultin wrote:On February 07 2015 22:48 justanothertownie wrote:On February 07 2015 12:45 rsoultin wrote:
^ Like, I have no good reason to believe jat is town, and he should be the lynch, but I keep coming back to that and going meh. I have a reason to not lynch jat. But let's lynch him anyways. Seems legit. On February 07 2015 12:47 Eden1892 wrote:On February 07 2015 12:43 rsoultin wrote:
Okay, so forgive me for going back into WIFOM land, but I'm having trouble wrapping my mind around a scum koshi and a scum jat pushing hard for breshke not to shoot...but no rb and no kill. That just makes no sense to me -_- ...if they have no rb then they would very obviously want us not to shoot. Lol It would be stranger if they were mafia and pushing for Breshke to shoot with no rb. As it is this makes perfect sense. They don't want us shooting so they argue for us not to shoot because that's the only way we don't shoot If I was mafia with Koshi and we had no rb then we would kill Breshke. What kind of nonsense is this?
Interesting how you take my post that actually says I have no good reason to believe you're town and then construe it as I have a good reason not to lynch you. You think it's any more likely for a Koshi/HF team to leave Bresh alive than you and Koshi? It makes no sense for any player in this game to do that! "I keep coming back to that" good reason to townread me. Yes, it is more likely for a Koshi/HF team to do this since it was pretty likely that Breshke would shoot me or Koshi. And yes, it doesn't make much sense for anyone to do this but the only possible explanation I see is that they were gambling on Breshke shooting me. Give me a good reason to townread you, then. What have you really done all game? I mean, seriously? Cause this NK speculation stuff makes 0 sense for anyone as mafia. I can use that lovely WIFOM to try to clear myself, too. Like, why in the world as mafia would I keep insisting Breshke shoot either me or my scum partner, if we're not going to RB or kill him? This is nonsense. No mafia team is going to sit around with their thumb up their ass and go 'well, hehe, there's a 50/50 chance breshke shoots town so let's roll the dice and hope he kills jat'. Such a dumb argument. I love how you just keep attacking me for nonsense but completely ignore the huge case on HF. You've already responded to my thoughts on your huge "case". Nice try.
All you're even saying is that I was his scumread and he didn't push me at EoD when there were what? Three, four other wagons? That case is so flimsy it's hilarious. Good job making it look huge with all the quotes, though. Most of his case was about him, marv. At least that's how I read it. Like, the HF dropping a read part and picking it back up again. So what? Does that make him scum? HF and Jat were literally accusing each other of the same thing...namely their reads on me and not pushing me.
EBWOP:
If it makes one scum, how does it not make the other equally scum? This case just doesn't impress me, and frankly I'm fully expecting to be pushed Day 3 regardless of which one of these two is lynched this phase because they've set me up very nicely for it.
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On February 08 2015 02:46 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2015 02:40 rsoultin wrote:On February 08 2015 02:37 batsnacks wrote:On February 08 2015 02:36 rsoultin wrote:On February 08 2015 02:34 batsnacks wrote:On February 08 2015 02:33 rsoultin wrote:On February 08 2015 02:29 marvellosity wrote:On February 08 2015 02:23 Eden1892 wrote:On February 08 2015 02:09 rsoultin wrote:On February 08 2015 02:07 Eden1892 wrote:
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yeah, what of it well, I mean, I intend to go through jat's games to verify that myself, but if it holds true, what then? honestly I'm lynching HF rn my vote's still on JAT because I feel like it but short of a really compelling defense from HF, he gone like no bullshit JAT had a really solid case on HF funny that all rsoultin did is mock the case then, right? you know, the number of times you say things that are untrue is getting annoying if all I did was mock his case then why was I questioning him on one of his points? Where did your questions get you rs? Do you think jat is mafia? you still haven't answered my questions, bats and yes, yes I do. his vote on sl at EoD was weird I answered all of your questions. Sorry, didn't see it. What exactly is jat doing for this game? I'll grant that HF isn't doing much, either, particularly in the very beginning, but I don't see anything amazing from jat. His case came after you were so certain it was HF. jat's HF case is amazing. You're the only one that doesn't think so. And it doesn't really matter when the case came relative to my vote. Associating jat's case with my vote is not a valid criticism of the case. My vote needs to be bad or scummy independent of the case. The case needs to be bad or scummy independent of my vote.
I'm trying to understand your vote, not paint it scummy, bats. Your vote came before the case.
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On February 08 2015 02:47 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2015 02:46 marvellosity wrote:
the difference between HF and Jat is that HF had you as his strongest reads for a lot of day 1, but jat never did ^ that is why
Okay, yeah, that makes sense :/
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On February 08 2015 02:48 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2015 02:46 rsoultin wrote:On February 08 2015 02:42 rsoultin wrote:On February 08 2015 02:40 marvellosity wrote:On February 08 2015 02:33 rsoultin wrote:On February 08 2015 02:29 marvellosity wrote:On February 08 2015 02:23 Eden1892 wrote:On February 08 2015 02:09 rsoultin wrote:On February 08 2015 02:07 Eden1892 wrote:On February 08 2015 02:06 rsoultin wrote:
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Hey, Eden, did you see marv's post on a jat/bats scumteam being unlikely? yeah, what of it well, I mean, I intend to go through jat's games to verify that myself, but if it holds true, what then? honestly I'm lynching HF rn my vote's still on JAT because I feel like it but short of a really compelling defense from HF, he gone like no bullshit JAT had a really solid case on HF funny that all rsoultin did is mock the case then, right? you know, the number of times you say things that are untrue is getting annoying if all I did was mock his case then why was I questioning him on one of his points? you are so mafia all you did was question him on random sl/onegu shit, nothnig to do with HF. All you actually did do to his case on HF was mock it On February 08 2015 00:06 rsoultin wrote:On February 07 2015 23:59 LightningStrike wrote:
rsoultin what you think of JAT's case on HF being scum for the 3rd time with me and you? I could have sworn this case had already been made earlier in the game, LS, or at least the point has already been brought up. Have to double-check who it was, though. Saying that people were actually pushing to lynch me Day 1 is complete bullocks. I was mentioned but no one voted for me except Eden. The only thing that even would make this case significant is if town HF always stubbornly sticks to one scum read as town, which is not something I can speak to. On February 08 2015 00:16 rsoultin wrote:On February 08 2015 00:14 justanothertownie wrote:On February 08 2015 00:12 rsoultin wrote:On February 08 2015 00:05 justanothertownie wrote:On February 08 2015 00:01 rsoultin wrote:On February 07 2015 22:48 justanothertownie wrote:
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I have a reason to not lynch jat. But let's lynch him anyways. Seems legit.
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If I was mafia with Koshi and we had no rb then we would kill Breshke. What kind of nonsense is this?
Interesting how you take my post that actually says I have no good reason to believe you're town and then construe it as I have a good reason not to lynch you. You think it's any more likely for a Koshi/HF team to leave Bresh alive than you and Koshi? It makes no sense for any player in this game to do that! "I keep coming back to that" good reason to townread me. Yes, it is more likely for a Koshi/HF team to do this since it was pretty likely that Breshke would shoot me or Koshi. And yes, it doesn't make much sense for anyone to do this but the only possible explanation I see is that they were gambling on Breshke shooting me. Give me a good reason to townread you, then. What have you really done all game? I mean, seriously? Cause this NK speculation stuff makes 0 sense for anyone as mafia. I can use that lovely WIFOM to try to clear myself, too. Like, why in the world as mafia would I keep insisting Breshke shoot either me or my scum partner, if we're not going to RB or kill him? This is nonsense. No mafia team is going to sit around with their thumb up their ass and go 'well, hehe, there's a 50/50 chance breshke shoots town so let's roll the dice and hope he kills jat'. Such a dumb argument. I love how you just keep attacking me for nonsense but completely ignore the huge case on HF. You've already responded to my thoughts on your huge "case". Nice try.
All you're even saying is that I was his scumread and he didn't push me at EoD when there were what? Three, four other wagons? That case is so flimsy it's hilarious. Good job making it look huge with all the quotes, though. Most of his case was about him, marv. At least that's how I read it. Like, the HF dropping a read part and picking it back up again. So what? Does that make him scum? HF and Jat were literally accusing each other of the same thing...namely their reads on me and not pushing me. EBWOP: If it makes one scum, how does it not make the other equally scum? This case just doesn't impress me, and frankly I'm fully expecting to be pushed Day 3 regardless of which one of these two is lynched this phase because they've set me up very nicely for it. Why would you say this jat's case doesn't implicate you at all?
Lol, no? What has he been screaming about in the thread all day?
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On February 08 2015 02:50 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2015 02:48 rsoultin wrote:On February 08 2015 02:46 batsnacks wrote:On February 08 2015 02:40 rsoultin wrote:On February 08 2015 02:37 batsnacks wrote:On February 08 2015 02:36 rsoultin wrote:On February 08 2015 02:34 batsnacks wrote:On February 08 2015 02:33 rsoultin wrote:On February 08 2015 02:29 marvellosity wrote:On February 08 2015 02:23 Eden1892 wrote:
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honestly I'm lynching HF rn
my vote's still on JAT because I feel like it but short of a really compelling defense from HF, he gone
like no bullshit JAT had a really solid case on HF funny that all rsoultin did is mock the case then, right? you know, the number of times you say things that are untrue is getting annoying if all I did was mock his case then why was I questioning him on one of his points? Where did your questions get you rs? Do you think jat is mafia? you still haven't answered my questions, bats and yes, yes I do. his vote on sl at EoD was weird I answered all of your questions. Sorry, didn't see it. What exactly is jat doing for this game? I'll grant that HF isn't doing much, either, particularly in the very beginning, but I don't see anything amazing from jat. His case came after you were so certain it was HF. jat's HF case is amazing. You're the only one that doesn't think so. And it doesn't really matter when the case came relative to my vote. Associating jat's case with my vote is not a valid criticism of the case. My vote needs to be bad or scummy independent of the case. The case needs to be bad or scummy independent of my vote. I'm trying to understand your vote, not paint it scummy, bats. Your vote came before the case. My vote was awesome and HF already quoted my explanation twice and you keep saying you don't understand like that will make it go away. HF understands and the vote is on him. Why don't you?
The trolling -_- I guess I just don't put as much weight on that as you apparently do.
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On February 08 2015 02:51 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2015 02:50 rsoultin wrote:On February 08 2015 02:48 batsnacks wrote:On February 08 2015 02:46 rsoultin wrote:On February 08 2015 02:42 rsoultin wrote:On February 08 2015 02:40 marvellosity wrote:On February 08 2015 02:33 rsoultin wrote:On February 08 2015 02:29 marvellosity wrote:On February 08 2015 02:23 Eden1892 wrote:On February 08 2015 02:09 rsoultin wrote:
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well, I mean, I intend to go through jat's games to verify that myself, but if it holds true, what then? honestly I'm lynching HF rn my vote's still on JAT because I feel like it but short of a really compelling defense from HF, he gone like no bullshit JAT had a really solid case on HF funny that all rsoultin did is mock the case then, right? you know, the number of times you say things that are untrue is getting annoying if all I did was mock his case then why was I questioning him on one of his points? you are so mafia all you did was question him on random sl/onegu shit, nothnig to do with HF. All you actually did do to his case on HF was mock it On February 08 2015 00:06 rsoultin wrote:On February 07 2015 23:59 LightningStrike wrote:
rsoultin what you think of JAT's case on HF being scum for the 3rd time with me and you? I could have sworn this case had already been made earlier in the game, LS, or at least the point has already been brought up. Have to double-check who it was, though. Saying that people were actually pushing to lynch me Day 1 is complete bullocks. I was mentioned but no one voted for me except Eden. The only thing that even would make this case significant is if town HF always stubbornly sticks to one scum read as town, which is not something I can speak to. On February 08 2015 00:16 rsoultin wrote:On February 08 2015 00:14 justanothertownie wrote:On February 08 2015 00:12 rsoultin wrote:On February 08 2015 00:05 justanothertownie wrote:
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"I keep coming back to that" good reason to townread me.
Yes, it is more likely for a Koshi/HF team to do this since it was pretty likely that Breshke would shoot me or Koshi. And yes, it doesn't make much sense for anyone to do this but the only possible explanation I see is that they were gambling on Breshke shooting me. Give me a good reason to townread you, then. What have you really done all game? I mean, seriously? Cause this NK speculation stuff makes 0 sense for anyone as mafia. I can use that lovely WIFOM to try to clear myself, too. Like, why in the world as mafia would I keep insisting Breshke shoot either me or my scum partner, if we're not going to RB or kill him? This is nonsense. No mafia team is going to sit around with their thumb up their ass and go 'well, hehe, there's a 50/50 chance breshke shoots town so let's roll the dice and hope he kills jat'. Such a dumb argument. I love how you just keep attacking me for nonsense but completely ignore the huge case on HF. You've already responded to my thoughts on your huge "case". Nice try.
All you're even saying is that I was his scumread and he didn't push me at EoD when there were what? Three, four other wagons? That case is so flimsy it's hilarious. Good job making it look huge with all the quotes, though. Most of his case was about him, marv. At least that's how I read it. Like, the HF dropping a read part and picking it back up again. So what? Does that make him scum? HF and Jat were literally accusing each other of the same thing...namely their reads on me and not pushing me. EBWOP: If it makes one scum, how does it not make the other equally scum? This case just doesn't impress me, and frankly I'm fully expecting to be pushed Day 3 regardless of which one of these two is lynched this phase because they've set me up very nicely for it. Why would you say this jat's case doesn't implicate you at all? Lol, no? What has he been screaming about in the thread all day? jat's case is 100% about HF, not you.
Okay, bats, but if we're going to be getting into technicalities here, I didn't say the case was about me, now did I? I said I expect to be lynched Day 3 regardless of how this goes between HF and Jat.
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On February 08 2015 02:53 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2015 02:52 rsoultin wrote:On February 08 2015 02:50 batsnacks wrote:On February 08 2015 02:48 rsoultin wrote:On February 08 2015 02:46 batsnacks wrote:On February 08 2015 02:40 rsoultin wrote:On February 08 2015 02:37 batsnacks wrote:On February 08 2015 02:36 rsoultin wrote:On February 08 2015 02:34 batsnacks wrote:On February 08 2015 02:33 rsoultin wrote:
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you know, the number of times you say things that are untrue is getting annoying
if all I did was mock his case then why was I questioning him on one of his points? Where did your questions get you rs? Do you think jat is mafia? you still haven't answered my questions, bats and yes, yes I do. his vote on sl at EoD was weird I answered all of your questions. Sorry, didn't see it. What exactly is jat doing for this game? I'll grant that HF isn't doing much, either, particularly in the very beginning, but I don't see anything amazing from jat. His case came after you were so certain it was HF. jat's HF case is amazing. You're the only one that doesn't think so. And it doesn't really matter when the case came relative to my vote. Associating jat's case with my vote is not a valid criticism of the case. My vote needs to be bad or scummy independent of the case. The case needs to be bad or scummy independent of my vote. I'm trying to understand your vote, not paint it scummy, bats. Your vote came before the case. My vote was awesome and HF already quoted my explanation twice and you keep saying you don't understand like that will make it go away. HF understands and the vote is on him. Why don't you? The trolling -_- I guess I just don't put as much weight on that as you apparently do. "The trolling -_-" is a gross misrepresentation of what I wrote.
Disagree.
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On February 08 2015 03:02 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2015 02:56 rsoultin wrote:On February 08 2015 02:53 batsnacks wrote:On February 08 2015 02:52 rsoultin wrote:On February 08 2015 02:50 batsnacks wrote:On February 08 2015 02:48 rsoultin wrote:On February 08 2015 02:46 batsnacks wrote:On February 08 2015 02:40 rsoultin wrote:On February 08 2015 02:37 batsnacks wrote:On February 08 2015 02:36 rsoultin wrote:
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you still haven't answered my questions, bats
and yes, yes I do. his vote on sl at EoD was weird I answered all of your questions. Sorry, didn't see it. What exactly is jat doing for this game? I'll grant that HF isn't doing much, either, particularly in the very beginning, but I don't see anything amazing from jat. His case came after you were so certain it was HF. jat's HF case is amazing. You're the only one that doesn't think so. And it doesn't really matter when the case came relative to my vote. Associating jat's case with my vote is not a valid criticism of the case. My vote needs to be bad or scummy independent of the case. The case needs to be bad or scummy independent of my vote. I'm trying to understand your vote, not paint it scummy, bats. Your vote came before the case. My vote was awesome and HF already quoted my explanation twice and you keep saying you don't understand like that will make it go away. HF understands and the vote is on him. Why don't you? The trolling -_- I guess I just don't put as much weight on that as you apparently do. "The trolling -_-" is a gross misrepresentation of what I wrote. Disagree. Show nested quote +As far as reasons... idk... you're just not town HF. You said yourself you were in rare form this game e.g. not being invested and trolling d1. I move my vote around a lot right now I think this is the best place for it. 1) "idk," that means I don't think my reasons are strong. 2) "you're just not town HF," that means I don't think HF is playing his town meta. 3) HF said himself he was in rare form this game. That means 2) is valid. 4) HF is usually heavily invested in games as town and HF has trolled more in his recent scum games e.g. Linux mafia. 5) I move my vote around a lot, that means I like to use it to pressure people. 6) I think HF is the most deserving of pressure because 3) and 4). So you can disagree but you would be wrong.
Fair enough. I don't know how HF plays his town games. I just can remember a whole lot more interesting coming from HF than I can from jat.
Gonna just leave and read some old games.
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On February 08 2015 03:04 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2015 02:42 rsoultin wrote:On February 08 2015 02:40 marvellosity wrote:On February 08 2015 02:33 rsoultin wrote:On February 08 2015 02:29 marvellosity wrote:On February 08 2015 02:23 Eden1892 wrote:On February 08 2015 02:09 rsoultin wrote:On February 08 2015 02:07 Eden1892 wrote:On February 08 2015 02:06 rsoultin wrote:On February 08 2015 02:02 Eden1892 wrote:
HF please satisfactorily rebut JAT's case so I don't have to lynch you over him against literally every emotional fiber of my being right now Hey, Eden, did you see marv's post on a jat/bats scumteam being unlikely? yeah, what of it well, I mean, I intend to go through jat's games to verify that myself, but if it holds true, what then? honestly I'm lynching HF rn my vote's still on JAT because I feel like it but short of a really compelling defense from HF, he gone like no bullshit JAT had a really solid case on HF funny that all rsoultin did is mock the case then, right? you know, the number of times you say things that are untrue is getting annoying if all I did was mock his case then why was I questioning him on one of his points? you are so mafia all you did was question him on random sl/onegu shit, nothnig to do with HF. All you actually did do to his case on HF was mock it On February 08 2015 00:06 rsoultin wrote:On February 07 2015 23:59 LightningStrike wrote:
rsoultin what you think of JAT's case on HF being scum for the 3rd time with me and you? I could have sworn this case had already been made earlier in the game, LS, or at least the point has already been brought up. Have to double-check who it was, though. Saying that people were actually pushing to lynch me Day 1 is complete bullocks. I was mentioned but no one voted for me except Eden. The only thing that even would make this case significant is if town HF always stubbornly sticks to one scum read as town, which is not something I can speak to. On February 08 2015 00:16 rsoultin wrote:On February 08 2015 00:14 justanothertownie wrote:On February 08 2015 00:12 rsoultin wrote:On February 08 2015 00:05 justanothertownie wrote:On February 08 2015 00:01 rsoultin wrote:On February 07 2015 22:48 justanothertownie wrote:On February 07 2015 12:45 rsoultin wrote:
^ Like, I have no good reason to believe jat is town, and he should be the lynch, but I keep coming back to that and going meh. I have a reason to not lynch jat. But let's lynch him anyways. Seems legit. On February 07 2015 12:47 Eden1892 wrote:
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...if they have no rb then they would very obviously want us not to shoot. Lol
It would be stranger if they were mafia and pushing for Breshke to shoot with no rb. As it is this makes perfect sense. They don't want us shooting so they argue for us not to shoot because that's the only way we don't shoot If I was mafia with Koshi and we had no rb then we would kill Breshke. What kind of nonsense is this?
Interesting how you take my post that actually says I have no good reason to believe you're town and then construe it as I have a good reason not to lynch you. You think it's any more likely for a Koshi/HF team to leave Bresh alive than you and Koshi? It makes no sense for any player in this game to do that! "I keep coming back to that" good reason to townread me. Yes, it is more likely for a Koshi/HF team to do this since it was pretty likely that Breshke would shoot me or Koshi. And yes, it doesn't make much sense for anyone to do this but the only possible explanation I see is that they were gambling on Breshke shooting me. Give me a good reason to townread you, then. What have you really done all game? I mean, seriously? Cause this NK speculation stuff makes 0 sense for anyone as mafia. I can use that lovely WIFOM to try to clear myself, too. Like, why in the world as mafia would I keep insisting Breshke shoot either me or my scum partner, if we're not going to RB or kill him? This is nonsense. No mafia team is going to sit around with their thumb up their ass and go 'well, hehe, there's a 50/50 chance breshke shoots town so let's roll the dice and hope he kills jat'. Such a dumb argument. I love how you just keep attacking me for nonsense but completely ignore the huge case on HF. You've already responded to my thoughts on your huge "case". Nice try.
All you're even saying is that I was his scumread and he didn't push me at EoD when there were what? Three, four other wagons? That case is so flimsy it's hilarious. Good job making it look huge with all the quotes, though. Most of his case was about him, marv. At least that's how I read it. Like, the HF dropping a read part and picking it back up again. So what? Does that make him scum? HF and Jat were literally accusing each other of the same thing...namely their reads on me and not pushing me. So awful.
xP marv already said that
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On February 08 2015 03:06 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2015 03:05 rsoultin wrote:On February 08 2015 03:02 batsnacks wrote:On February 08 2015 02:56 rsoultin wrote:On February 08 2015 02:53 batsnacks wrote:On February 08 2015 02:52 rsoultin wrote:On February 08 2015 02:50 batsnacks wrote:On February 08 2015 02:48 rsoultin wrote:On February 08 2015 02:46 batsnacks wrote:On February 08 2015 02:40 rsoultin wrote:
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Sorry, didn't see it.
What exactly is jat doing for this game? I'll grant that HF isn't doing much, either, particularly in the very beginning, but I don't see anything amazing from jat. His case came after you were so certain it was HF. jat's HF case is amazing. You're the only one that doesn't think so. And it doesn't really matter when the case came relative to my vote. Associating jat's case with my vote is not a valid criticism of the case. My vote needs to be bad or scummy independent of the case. The case needs to be bad or scummy independent of my vote. I'm trying to understand your vote, not paint it scummy, bats. Your vote came before the case. My vote was awesome and HF already quoted my explanation twice and you keep saying you don't understand like that will make it go away. HF understands and the vote is on him. Why don't you? The trolling -_- I guess I just don't put as much weight on that as you apparently do. "The trolling -_-" is a gross misrepresentation of what I wrote. Disagree. As far as reasons... idk... you're just not town HF. You said yourself you were in rare form this game e.g. not being invested and trolling d1. I move my vote around a lot right now I think this is the best place for it. 1) "idk," that means I don't think my reasons are strong. 2) "you're just not town HF," that means I don't think HF is playing his town meta. 3) HF said himself he was in rare form this game. That means 2) is valid. 4) HF is usually heavily invested in games as town and HF has trolled more in his recent scum games e.g. Linux mafia. 5) I move my vote around a lot, that means I like to use it to pressure people. 6) I think HF is the most deserving of pressure because 3) and 4). So you can disagree but you would be wrong. Fair enough. I don't know how HF plays his town games. I just can remember a whole lot more interesting coming from HF than I can from jat. Gonna just leave and read some old games. You're wasting your time. Not that I actually think you're going to read old games I think you just feel like you need an excuse to exit the thread. Go back and read -this- game... your time would be much better spent.
I've read this game, you twit. That's my problem; I like HF more than I like jat this game, even with him pushing me hardest of anyone. I don't know anything about trolling and whether that's alignment-indicative or not, but he's been much less aggressive this game than in the other two I played with him when he was scum. He seems less sure of his reads, and believe it or not, I think that makes him town, because when he was scum he seemed sure about everything.
Could he be fooling me? Hell yes. But I don't think he's more likely to flip scum than jat based on this game.
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On February 08 2015 03:20 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2015 03:13 rsoultin wrote:On February 08 2015 03:06 batsnacks wrote:On February 08 2015 03:05 rsoultin wrote:On February 08 2015 03:02 batsnacks wrote:On February 08 2015 02:56 rsoultin wrote:On February 08 2015 02:53 batsnacks wrote:On February 08 2015 02:52 rsoultin wrote:On February 08 2015 02:50 batsnacks wrote:On February 08 2015 02:48 rsoultin wrote:
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I'm trying to understand your vote, not paint it scummy, bats. Your vote came before the case. My vote was awesome and HF already quoted my explanation twice and you keep saying you don't understand like that will make it go away. HF understands and the vote is on him. Why don't you? The trolling -_- I guess I just don't put as much weight on that as you apparently do. "The trolling -_-" is a gross misrepresentation of what I wrote. Disagree. As far as reasons... idk... you're just not town HF. You said yourself you were in rare form this game e.g. not being invested and trolling d1. I move my vote around a lot right now I think this is the best place for it. 1) "idk," that means I don't think my reasons are strong. 2) "you're just not town HF," that means I don't think HF is playing his town meta. 3) HF said himself he was in rare form this game. That means 2) is valid. 4) HF is usually heavily invested in games as town and HF has trolled more in his recent scum games e.g. Linux mafia. 5) I move my vote around a lot, that means I like to use it to pressure people. 6) I think HF is the most deserving of pressure because 3) and 4). So you can disagree but you would be wrong. Fair enough. I don't know how HF plays his town games. I just can remember a whole lot more interesting coming from HF than I can from jat. Gonna just leave and read some old games. You're wasting your time. Not that I actually think you're going to read old games I think you just feel like you need an excuse to exit the thread. Go back and read -this- game... your time would be much better spent. I've read this game, you twit. That's my problem; I like HF more than I like jat this game, even with him pushing me hardest of anyone. I don't know anything about trolling and whether that's alignment-indicative or not, but he's been much less aggressive this game than in the other two I played with him when he was scum. He seems less sure of his reads, and believe it or not, I think that makes him town, because when he was scum he seemed sure about everything. Could he be fooling me? Hell yes. But I don't think he's more likely to flip scum than jat based on this game. If you've read this game and you are serious, then I don't think it's possible to finish jat's case thinking "so what?"
xP what is the purpose of this post, anyway? either I'm scum and you're right or I'm town and you're wrong. y'all can keep liking his case if you want. it wasn't that great the first time, and it's not that great now, imo
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On February 07 2015 23:43 justanothertownie wrote:Ok, so first of all HF is one of the best if not the best scum player on this site. You won't catch him for being inactive uninteresting or any of this shit and he will bus teammates who are playing badly. He will say towny stuff from time to time and he is also perfectly able to "mindmeld" with you at times. You need to look for the agenda he is pushing. This is why he is mafia: This is the start of his rsoultin scumread day1. From now on she is basically his #1 scumread. Show nested quote +On February 05 2015 07:03 Holyflare wrote:
I mean if i'm honest I'm probably more sure about rs than damdy Show nested quote +On February 05 2015 07:20 Holyflare wrote:
yeh rsoul is green when I just gave the best case against her ever Show nested quote +On February 05 2015 09:20 Holyflare wrote:
rs is like the biggest mafia and hardly anyone is mentioning her and goes off making cases on other people instead Show nested quote +On February 05 2015 10:10 Holyflare wrote:On February 05 2015 10:07 Eden1892 wrote:
And shit you said Damdred got more townie. So even if rsoultin didn't, it's bullshit that you're telling me you still have a scumread and so you're content with being lazy. it is what it is, rsoul has literally posted nothing all game and it hasn't really changed i don't care what your gut tells you or not Show nested quote +On February 06 2015 02:50 Holyflare wrote:On February 06 2015 02:45 batsnacks wrote:On February 06 2015 02:43 Holyflare wrote:
I'm at a crossroads between just not giving a crap about the game and giving a modicum of care towards the game with an emphasis on the former and it's somewhat annoying to me.
Nobody even mentioned me other than eden and i haven't even done anything this game really which is super boring and probably means mafia is the weaker players. I'd vote you if that makes you feel better. Breshke though... Really... I'm more inclined to vote rs tbh But when the deadline comes nearer and people are not all about lynching rsoultin he completely forgets about the read. He isn't decided on who to lynch and has MULTIPLE different targets suddenly that he keeps pushing really hard: Show nested quote +On February 06 2015 07:52 Holyflare wrote:
let's kill oneguuuuuuuuuu
if i'm wrong you can flame me for wasting your time Show nested quote +On February 06 2015 07:56 Holyflare wrote:
abandon wagon ABANDON WAGON
SHEEP TO DAMDRED OR I LYNCH YOU TOMORROW Show nested quote +On February 06 2015 07:57 Holyflare wrote:
god this breshke is actually 100% mafia or something Notice how ALL of those are town and he can jump between them as much as he wants if he is mafia. No mention of rsoulting ever during all of this. So what has rsoultin done to make him forget about her? The answer is absolutely nothing. She disappeared like he will say himself later. Ok, so mislynch accomplished. Back to scumreading rsoultin immediately: Show nested quote +On February 06 2015 08:24 Holyflare wrote:
it's funny how rsoul just appeared at deadline to vote onegu and then completely disappeared again so probably 100% breshke/jat/rsoul So, I point this out and this is his reaction: Show nested quote +On February 07 2015 01:15 Holyflare wrote:
How have I treated rs? I've thought she was mafia all game and at deadline onegu was way more convincing mafia but then he wasn't mafia so i went back to talking about rs being mafia? Then where was this read during eod? He literally went after 3 other people and said nothing about her. If you want to know how town HF handles his scumreads eod look at void mafia. He scumread HTS and pushed her hard even though noone else really was up for it besides Kelsier. He didn't give a fuck about other targets - he pushed HIS scumread. Now he claimes he scumread rsoulting all game and then he does nothing about getting her lynched? There is no way town HF does this. He is INSISTING that he never dropped his rsoultin reads though: Show nested quote +On February 07 2015 01:24 Holyflare wrote:
No it's not he said my read progression is damning because I drop it when I haven't And then the real gem comes: Show nested quote +On February 07 2015 02:00 Holyflare wrote:
I'm also going to preemptively defend myself from a jat onslaught by saying i wasn't invested in this game at all until deadline so my rs read isn't very concrete compared to reads i was making in real time then. Seeing as I was mostly trolling, apart from the nagging what if on damdred. Not only can you easily see the guilty conscience - he knows I am town and that I caught him and will push him - but SUDDENLY HIS READ WASN'T VERY CONCRETE? Read the posts I quoted earlier again and decide for yourself if you want to believe this and keep in mind that he "scumread rsoultin all game" and "never dropped the read". This guy is mafia. I will show more reasons but this rsoultin read evolution is damning enough on it's own and I don't want the post to get too big.
Okay, so, the argument is that I'm HF's scummate playing badly. Let's just stop pretending jat is trying to say anything else here. HF scumreads me most of the night, then when I'm not in the thread actually doing anything and a lot of other people are, and yes, are acting more scummy than my being inactive could ever be, HF switches to them. Can he do that as town or scum? Yes.
Does that mean he ever stopped thinking I was scum if he was town? No, it doesn't.
Does him picking me back up when all his scumreads flipped town make him scum? Uh...no, cause as town if he's racking and stacking scumreads and I'm number 3 or 4 on the list, the others flip town, of course he turns back to scumreading me.
There is nothing in this long line of quotes that makes HF scum. At best it's null.
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On February 07 2015 23:51 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2015 08:51 Holyflare wrote:
pretty sure a town jat would have switched to onegu when I was pushing for it Then we have this reasoning for scumreading me which makes no sense in the first place since I had more reasons to scumread SL than Onegu but even if we ignore this - why would I as scum make myself look bad by not following town marv and HF around (which I have done as scum before) if all lynch targets are town anyways and I could just switch as often as I want?Show nested quote +On February 06 2015 09:33 Holyflare wrote:
yeh mafia is undeniably palmar or jat because they are just the type of people to qq in their scum qt/pms about modkilling I already commented on this post. It is just another awful reason to push me. Show nested quote +On February 06 2015 13:43 Holyflare wrote:
I'm still 100% lynching jat though he's done a void all over again where he avoids all the wagons and reasoning while still agreeing with it. He did the exact same thing in heavyweight too. Flat out lying when I clearly WAS on one of the wagons and was also pushing it. Saying I avoided wagons in heavyweight is also a straight lie.Then his defense against me: Show nested quote +On February 07 2015 01:25 Holyflare wrote:
It's absolutely not irrelevant because do you see him talking about rsoul at deadline? Absolutely not so if he is town then why does his read make sense to him when he did the same thing? This is absolutely irrelevant. I was not the one pushing rsoulting as my top scumread. Show nested quote +On February 07 2015 01:32 Holyflare wrote:On February 07 2015 01:26 marvellosity wrote:
his rsoul read came subsequently, pretty obviously, and yours didn't
so. Rsoul has been in his poe list and someone he could have lynched the entire game and he barely ever commented on her Like it doesn't matter anyway because his read is totally irrelevant if you read the deadline and if it's his only proper read this game when it should be pretty damn easy to poe the majority of mafia then he doesn't have much hope Another lie. He said this when I had just poe'ed the mafia team a few posts before this. Still going on about how I read rsoultin which has nothing to do with my argument against him. Show nested quote +On February 07 2015 07:20 Holyflare wrote:
which is a pain because my effort level is low and i know jat is just going to whine and make it difficult to lynch him He knows I am town and won't let myself be mislynched without putting up a fight.
The first point here is the one that makes my skin crawl. Jat demonstrably didn't have a strong preference for either SL or Onegu at EoD, but he did clearly think Damdred wasn't scum while trying to argue marv and palmar off Damdred's wagon. Who in this thread thinks that's gonna happen? lol Yet when it comes down to it he doesn't switch to Onegu to protect his townread. This is exactly how I caught Celestial several games ago.
The second point is fine, but not strong. People have bad reasons to scumread people (see Eden's read on my emoticons) all the time.
The third is just wrong because SL was not going to be the lynch Day 1. Tie that back into 1.
Four I'd have to check, cause I don't remember jat's poe precisely, though I do remember a lot of people saying that poe simply reflected thread sentiment and was yawn-worthy.
Five is a useless point anyway. It just assumes that HF is scum.
And if you look at every single one of these points they're not actually about HF being scum, but rather jat defending himself from HF's points, and yet people are calling this a case on HF? You guys are seeing lots of text and calling it good. I just see jat trying to point the finger back at HF because he knows the lynch is going to be between him and HF today, and town loves to fall for these longass cases without really reading them.
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On February 08 2015 03:42 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2015 03:38 rsoultin wrote:On February 07 2015 23:43 justanothertownie wrote:Ok, so first of all HF is one of the best if not the best scum player on this site. You won't catch him for being inactive uninteresting or any of this shit and he will bus teammates who are playing badly. He will say towny stuff from time to time and he is also perfectly able to "mindmeld" with you at times. You need to look for the agenda he is pushing. This is why he is mafia: This is the start of his rsoultin scumread day1. From now on she is basically his #1 scumread. On February 05 2015 07:03 Holyflare wrote:
I mean if i'm honest I'm probably more sure about rs than damdy On February 05 2015 07:20 Holyflare wrote:
yeh rsoul is green when I just gave the best case against her ever On February 05 2015 09:20 Holyflare wrote:
rs is like the biggest mafia and hardly anyone is mentioning her and goes off making cases on other people instead On February 05 2015 10:10 Holyflare wrote:On February 05 2015 10:07 Eden1892 wrote:
And shit you said Damdred got more townie. So even if rsoultin didn't, it's bullshit that you're telling me you still have a scumread and so you're content with being lazy. it is what it is, rsoul has literally posted nothing all game and it hasn't really changed i don't care what your gut tells you or not On February 06 2015 02:50 Holyflare wrote:On February 06 2015 02:45 batsnacks wrote:On February 06 2015 02:43 Holyflare wrote:
I'm at a crossroads between just not giving a crap about the game and giving a modicum of care towards the game with an emphasis on the former and it's somewhat annoying to me.
Nobody even mentioned me other than eden and i haven't even done anything this game really which is super boring and probably means mafia is the weaker players. I'd vote you if that makes you feel better. Breshke though... Really... I'm more inclined to vote rs tbh But when the deadline comes nearer and people are not all about lynching rsoultin he completely forgets about the read. He isn't decided on who to lynch and has MULTIPLE different targets suddenly that he keeps pushing really hard: On February 06 2015 07:52 Holyflare wrote:
let's kill oneguuuuuuuuuu
if i'm wrong you can flame me for wasting your time On February 06 2015 07:56 Holyflare wrote:
abandon wagon ABANDON WAGON
SHEEP TO DAMDRED OR I LYNCH YOU TOMORROW On February 06 2015 07:57 Holyflare wrote:
god this breshke is actually 100% mafia or something Notice how ALL of those are town and he can jump between them as much as he wants if he is mafia. No mention of rsoulting ever during all of this. So what has rsoultin done to make him forget about her? The answer is absolutely nothing. She disappeared like he will say himself later. Ok, so mislynch accomplished. Back to scumreading rsoultin immediately: On February 06 2015 08:24 Holyflare wrote:
it's funny how rsoul just appeared at deadline to vote onegu and then completely disappeared again so probably 100% breshke/jat/rsoul So, I point this out and this is his reaction: On February 07 2015 01:15 Holyflare wrote:
How have I treated rs? I've thought she was mafia all game and at deadline onegu was way more convincing mafia but then he wasn't mafia so i went back to talking about rs being mafia? Then where was this read during eod? He literally went after 3 other people and said nothing about her. If you want to know how town HF handles his scumreads eod look at void mafia. He scumread HTS and pushed her hard even though noone else really was up for it besides Kelsier. He didn't give a fuck about other targets - he pushed HIS scumread. Now he claimes he scumread rsoulting all game and then he does nothing about getting her lynched? There is no way town HF does this. He is INSISTING that he never dropped his rsoultin reads though: On February 07 2015 01:24 Holyflare wrote:
No it's not he said my read progression is damning because I drop it when I haven't And then the real gem comes: On February 07 2015 02:00 Holyflare wrote:
I'm also going to preemptively defend myself from a jat onslaught by saying i wasn't invested in this game at all until deadline so my rs read isn't very concrete compared to reads i was making in real time then. Seeing as I was mostly trolling, apart from the nagging what if on damdred. Not only can you easily see the guilty conscience - he knows I am town and that I caught him and will push him - but SUDDENLY HIS READ WASN'T VERY CONCRETE? Read the posts I quoted earlier again and decide for yourself if you want to believe this and keep in mind that he "scumread rsoultin all game" and "never dropped the read". This guy is mafia. I will show more reasons but this rsoultin read evolution is damning enough on it's own and I don't want the post to get too big. Okay, so, the argument is that I'm HF's scummate playing badly. Let's just stop pretending jat is trying to say anything else here. HF scumreads me most of the night, then when I'm not in the thread actually doing anything and a lot of other people are, and yes, are acting more scummy than my being inactive could ever be, HF switches to them. Can he do that as town or scum? Yes. Does that mean he ever stopped thinking I was scum if he was town? No, it doesn't. Does him picking me back up when all his scumreads flipped town make him scum? Uh...no, cause as town if he's racking and stacking scumreads and I'm number 3 or 4 on the list, the others flip town, of course he turns back to scumreading me. There is nothing in this long line of quotes that makes HF scum. At best it's null. The bolded. That is the stupidest bullshit I heard in a long time. There is also no way you are number 4 on his list after what he said about you earlier.
I was a policy lynch at best, jat. Stop kidding yourself.
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So his case is a bunch of hot air.
It doesn't prove anything, and it's hardly good like everyone keeps saying it is.
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On February 08 2015 03:57 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2015 03:42 justanothertownie wrote:On February 08 2015 03:38 rsoultin wrote:On February 07 2015 23:43 justanothertownie wrote:Ok, so first of all HF is one of the best if not the best scum player on this site. You won't catch him for being inactive uninteresting or any of this shit and he will bus teammates who are playing badly. He will say towny stuff from time to time and he is also perfectly able to "mindmeld" with you at times. You need to look for the agenda he is pushing. This is why he is mafia: This is the start of his rsoultin scumread day1. From now on she is basically his #1 scumread. On February 05 2015 07:03 Holyflare wrote:
I mean if i'm honest I'm probably more sure about rs than damdy On February 05 2015 07:20 Holyflare wrote:
yeh rsoul is green when I just gave the best case against her ever On February 05 2015 09:20 Holyflare wrote:
rs is like the biggest mafia and hardly anyone is mentioning her and goes off making cases on other people instead On February 05 2015 10:10 Holyflare wrote:On February 05 2015 10:07 Eden1892 wrote:
And shit you said Damdred got more townie. So even if rsoultin didn't, it's bullshit that you're telling me you still have a scumread and so you're content with being lazy. it is what it is, rsoul has literally posted nothing all game and it hasn't really changed i don't care what your gut tells you or not On February 06 2015 02:50 Holyflare wrote:On February 06 2015 02:45 batsnacks wrote:On February 06 2015 02:43 Holyflare wrote:
I'm at a crossroads between just not giving a crap about the game and giving a modicum of care towards the game with an emphasis on the former and it's somewhat annoying to me.
Nobody even mentioned me other than eden and i haven't even done anything this game really which is super boring and probably means mafia is the weaker players. I'd vote you if that makes you feel better. Breshke though... Really... I'm more inclined to vote rs tbh But when the deadline comes nearer and people are not all about lynching rsoultin he completely forgets about the read. He isn't decided on who to lynch and has MULTIPLE different targets suddenly that he keeps pushing really hard: On February 06 2015 07:52 Holyflare wrote:
let's kill oneguuuuuuuuuu
if i'm wrong you can flame me for wasting your time On February 06 2015 07:56 Holyflare wrote:
abandon wagon ABANDON WAGON
SHEEP TO DAMDRED OR I LYNCH YOU TOMORROW On February 06 2015 07:57 Holyflare wrote:
god this breshke is actually 100% mafia or something Notice how ALL of those are town and he can jump between them as much as he wants if he is mafia. No mention of rsoulting ever during all of this. So what has rsoultin done to make him forget about her? The answer is absolutely nothing. She disappeared like he will say himself later. Ok, so mislynch accomplished. Back to scumreading rsoultin immediately: On February 06 2015 08:24 Holyflare wrote:
it's funny how rsoul just appeared at deadline to vote onegu and then completely disappeared again so probably 100% breshke/jat/rsoul So, I point this out and this is his reaction: On February 07 2015 01:15 Holyflare wrote:
How have I treated rs? I've thought she was mafia all game and at deadline onegu was way more convincing mafia but then he wasn't mafia so i went back to talking about rs being mafia? Then where was this read during eod? He literally went after 3 other people and said nothing about her. If you want to know how town HF handles his scumreads eod look at void mafia. He scumread HTS and pushed her hard even though noone else really was up for it besides Kelsier. He didn't give a fuck about other targets - he pushed HIS scumread. Now he claimes he scumread rsoulting all game and then he does nothing about getting her lynched? There is no way town HF does this. He is INSISTING that he never dropped his rsoultin reads though: On February 07 2015 01:24 Holyflare wrote:
No it's not he said my read progression is damning because I drop it when I haven't And then the real gem comes: On February 07 2015 02:00 Holyflare wrote:
I'm also going to preemptively defend myself from a jat onslaught by saying i wasn't invested in this game at all until deadline so my rs read isn't very concrete compared to reads i was making in real time then. Seeing as I was mostly trolling, apart from the nagging what if on damdred. Not only can you easily see the guilty conscience - he knows I am town and that I caught him and will push him - but SUDDENLY HIS READ WASN'T VERY CONCRETE? Read the posts I quoted earlier again and decide for yourself if you want to believe this and keep in mind that he "scumread rsoultin all game" and "never dropped the read". This guy is mafia. I will show more reasons but this rsoultin read evolution is damning enough on it's own and I don't want the post to get too big. Okay, so, the argument is that I'm HF's scummate playing badly. Let's just stop pretending jat is trying to say anything else here. HF scumreads me most of the night, then when I'm not in the thread actually doing anything and a lot of other people are, and yes, are acting more scummy than my being inactive could ever be, HF switches to them. Can he do that as town or scum? Yes. Does that mean he ever stopped thinking I was scum if he was town? No, it doesn't. Does him picking me back up when all his scumreads flipped town make him scum? Uh...no, cause as town if he's racking and stacking scumreads and I'm number 3 or 4 on the list, the others flip town, of course he turns back to scumreading me. There is nothing in this long line of quotes that makes HF scum. At best it's null. The bolded. That is the stupidest bullshit I heard in a long time. There is also no way you are number 4 on his list after what he said about you earlier. To explain: He explicitly called you scum for being inactive at eod later. He also had a post where he said you got scummier with every second passing. So you being inactive should only strengthen his scumread on you.
So? That was still after all his other scumreads flipped town, and still was completely based on my activity level. Try again.
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On February 08 2015 03:59 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2015 03:47 rsoultin wrote:On February 07 2015 23:51 justanothertownie wrote:On February 06 2015 08:51 Holyflare wrote:
pretty sure a town jat would have switched to onegu when I was pushing for it Then we have this reasoning for scumreading me which makes no sense in the first place since I had more reasons to scumread SL than Onegu but even if we ignore this - why would I as scum make myself look bad by not following town marv and HF around (which I have done as scum before) if all lynch targets are town anyways and I could just switch as often as I want?On February 06 2015 09:33 Holyflare wrote:
yeh mafia is undeniably palmar or jat because they are just the type of people to qq in their scum qt/pms about modkilling I already commented on this post. It is just another awful reason to push me. On February 06 2015 13:43 Holyflare wrote:
I'm still 100% lynching jat though he's done a void all over again where he avoids all the wagons and reasoning while still agreeing with it. He did the exact same thing in heavyweight too. Flat out lying when I clearly WAS on one of the wagons and was also pushing it. Saying I avoided wagons in heavyweight is also a straight lie.Then his defense against me: On February 07 2015 01:25 Holyflare wrote:
It's absolutely not irrelevant because do you see him talking about rsoul at deadline? Absolutely not so if he is town then why does his read make sense to him when he did the same thing? This is absolutely irrelevant. I was not the one pushing rsoulting as my top scumread. On February 07 2015 01:32 Holyflare wrote:On February 07 2015 01:26 marvellosity wrote:
his rsoul read came subsequently, pretty obviously, and yours didn't
so. Rsoul has been in his poe list and someone he could have lynched the entire game and he barely ever commented on her Like it doesn't matter anyway because his read is totally irrelevant if you read the deadline and if it's his only proper read this game when it should be pretty damn easy to poe the majority of mafia then he doesn't have much hope Another lie. He said this when I had just poe'ed the mafia team a few posts before this. Still going on about how I read rsoultin which has nothing to do with my argument against him. On February 07 2015 07:20 Holyflare wrote:
which is a pain because my effort level is low and i know jat is just going to whine and make it difficult to lynch him He knows I am town and won't let myself be mislynched without putting up a fight. The first point here is the one that makes my skin crawl. Jat demonstrably didn't have a strong preference for either SL or Onegu at EoD, but he did clearly think Damdred wasn't scum while trying to argue marv and palmar off Damdred's wagon. Who in this thread thinks that's gonna happen? lol Yet when it comes down to it he doesn't switch to Onegu to protect his townread. This is exactly how I caught Celestial several games ago. The second point is fine, but not strong. People have bad reasons to scumread people (see Eden's read on my emoticons) all the time. The third is just wrong because SL was not going to be the lynch Day 1. Tie that back into 1. Four I'd have to check, cause I don't remember jat's poe precisely, though I do remember a lot of people saying that poe simply reflected thread sentiment and was yawn-worthy. Five is a useless point anyway. It just assumes that HF is scum. And if you look at every single one of these points they're not actually about HF being scum, but rather jat defending himself from HF's points, and yet people are calling this a case on HF? You guys are seeing lots of text and calling it good. I just see jat trying to point the finger back at HF because he knows the lynch is going to be between him and HF today, and town loves to fall for these longass cases without really reading them. How can you say SL was not going to be the lynch when he in fact almost was the lynch? And if I think Palmar and marv are wrong am I supposed to just accept that they mislynch my townread? What a load of crap. The poe people were talking about was day1. I made a different one night1. btw.
Why should I care which poe you want me to read? The poe we're talking about is the one from Day 1 that you're citing in your case xP
No, you're not supposed to accept a mislynch. You're supposed to try to prevent it not just with your words, but also with your actions. In fact, actions always mean more than words. And you were in the thread, so it's not like you didn't know that Onegu and Damdred were the wagons. Stop blowing smoke.
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On February 08 2015 04:03 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2015 09:16 Holyflare wrote:
rs is pretty much gaining mafia points every second tbh This was way before the lynch. Rsoultin was not being active later. Still he didn't scumread her enough to consider lynching her anymore.
which page was that, jat, cause I just tried to find it?
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On February 08 2015 04:03 marvellosity wrote:
pretty sure he'd say so himself whether he's town or mafia too.
okay, so maybe it wasn't policy. I know I've played like shit this game, and I know that I in particular am usually an insanely active town player, even though I've tried to cut that back since the game I was mislynched.
I perfectly understand people scumreading me, frankly, but it doesn't really matter.
The point is, during the day, am I believably acting more scummy than the wagon that HF was pushing? To the point that HF pushing an Onegu wagon despite having me as scum in his earlier posts is alignment-indicative?
Considering I wasn't a wagon despite being inactive all day, I think it pretty much speaks for itself.
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