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Damdred, I didn't get to look at all of Eden1892's filter, but I don't think it's as bad as you say it is.
Eden was pressuring sicklucker with the "my meta says" phrase as well.
I can understand that he says Palmar is town while still scumreading you for changing your stance on Palmar. He isn't scumreading you for not wanting to lynch Palmar, he is scumreading you for changing your stance without Palmar doing anything.
I think I will leave my vote on Robik. I want Robik lynched. I don't know how people will respond to the Eden1892 lynch, I wish I could be here, but I can't. Therefore I will go with my instinct.
Whatever happens, hopefully you guys lynch a scum.
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If I had more time to explain it, I could. I don't have that time. I'm sorry.
See you tonight.
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I had band practice. It just got canceled. I'll be here until the deadline.
Please ignore my last few posts, I will take an in depth look at this now.
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On February 02 2015 03:45 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2015 03:42 Trfel wrote:
I had band practice. It just got canceled. I'll be here until the deadline.
Please ignore my last few posts, I will take an in depth look at this now. What instrument you play in the band? Also when you get done checking out Eden tell us your thoughts on him and compare this game to his scum game on New Years Eve Mafia and here is the link for it: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/474389-new-years-eve-party-mini-mafia?user=Eden1892
I play trumpet.
I'm not going to use meta here. I don't feel that I know enough about mafia or about Eden1892's play to be qualified to judge this. My usage of meta is limited to when I don't feel that it can possibly be wrong, and I usually use it to try and townread people (or rather, not scumread them, since I don't really like townreads), not the opposite.
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On February 02 2015 03:53 Damdred wrote:
I really want people to read my case read Edens filter.
I keep going back and Trfel whats so good about the pressure does it go anywhere? Is there any true conclusion about SL from it? does SL reasoning make sense for how it was dropped and eden just moved on to me?
I hear you. Like I said, I didn't have the fact checking to really know at the time I needed to leave. I will decline from answering your question at this time, I will cover my read on Eden1892's filter and my response to your case in one post, when I finish. At this time, I don't know what my conclusion will be.
The main reason that I didn't want to vote Eden1892 before was that I expect him to come back before the deadline. And as town or scum, I don't think he will want to get lynched today. If I was out and my vote was stuck on him, that would be less than ideal.
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On February 02 2015 03:56 Chezitwo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2015 03:53 rsoultin wrote:On February 02 2015 03:49 Chezitwo wrote:On February 02 2015 03:42 rsoultin wrote:Okay, damdy. Switching to Eden. Still want your response, Chez. I was townreading you. You're making me sad  Why does my self vote make you think I am not? On February 02 2015 03:47 rsoultin wrote:On February 02 2015 03:42 Chezitwo wrote:On February 02 2015 03:41 rsoultin wrote:On February 02 2015 03:35 Chezitwo wrote:On February 02 2015 01:49 marvellosity wrote:
##unvote
##Vote: Chezitwo oh.. I thought you were my friend. Chezzy, your insta!meta-quotes and vote on Palmar caught Marv's attention after having to explain FF's play to you, and I'm inclined to think it's weird how quick they came, too. How do you know Palmar and not FF? I am good at using the search function when I know what I am looking for. With Palmar, I remembered. With FF, I had nothing to remember. How long have you been playing on this site, Chez? Since the dawn of time. Your self-vote doesn't seem like a mafia play, but it's not a good town play either if you're town, imo. Well, gonna have to let the vets sort out the veracity of your claims on Palmar and FF. I've actually liked your play so far, so this and the long absence were really the only questionmarks. Do you have the time to catch up some and give us updated reads/comments? How can those who are veterans assert whether these claims are correct when they do not even know who I am, let alone grasp how I might view both these players? I will be present until deadline. I'm not sure if catching up or trying to participate in current conversation is a better use of my time.
I don't think you are among the top lynch candidates at the moment. I would prefer if you spend maybe an hour or so catching up, and then discuss closer to the deadline?
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On February 02 2015 04:00 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2015 03:58 Trfel wrote:On February 02 2015 03:53 Damdred wrote:
I really want people to read my case read Edens filter.
I keep going back and Trfel whats so good about the pressure does it go anywhere? Is there any true conclusion about SL from it? does SL reasoning make sense for how it was dropped and eden just moved on to me? I hear you. Like I said, I didn't have the fact checking to really know at the time I needed to leave. I will decline from answering your question at this time, I will cover my read on Eden1892's filter and my response to your case in one post, when I finish. At this time, I don't know what my conclusion will be. The main reason that I didn't want to vote Eden1892 before was that I expect him to come back before the deadline. And as town or scum, I don't think he will want to get lynched today. If I was out and my vote was stuck on him, that would be less than ideal. Why is the bolded that impmortant when Palmar or Robik would fall into the same category?
Palmar doesn't seem to mind being lynched.
Eden1892 has put a lot more effort into this game than Palmar or Robik. You can't deny that. I just feel like if Eden1892 decided to return and play the game seriously, he could do stuff that would make him seem more towny. I am not convinced that Palmar and Robik could/would do the same.
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On February 02 2015 04:04 Chezitwo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2015 03:53 Damdred wrote:
I really want people to read my case read Edens filter.
I keep going back and Trfel whats so good about the pressure does it go anywhere? Is there any true conclusion about SL from it? does SL reasoning make sense for how it was dropped and eden just moved on to me? I read it and I read Eden's filter. I don't feel like he has been trying to find the poorly functioning programs between the distro's. He has been throwing up firewalls in front of himself and others, but he does not scan for malware. I am willing to uninstall him. Show nested quote +On February 02 2015 04:00 Trfel wrote:On February 02 2015 03:56 Chezitwo wrote:On February 02 2015 03:53 rsoultin wrote:On February 02 2015 03:49 Chezitwo wrote:On February 02 2015 03:42 rsoultin wrote:Okay, damdy. Switching to Eden. Still want your response, Chez. I was townreading you. You're making me sad Why does my self vote make you think I am not? On February 02 2015 03:47 rsoultin wrote:On February 02 2015 03:42 Chezitwo wrote:On February 02 2015 03:41 rsoultin wrote:On February 02 2015 03:35 Chezitwo wrote:On February 02 2015 01:49 marvellosity wrote:
##unvote
##Vote: Chezitwo oh.. I thought you were my friend. Chezzy, your insta!meta-quotes and vote on Palmar caught Marv's attention after having to explain FF's play to you, and I'm inclined to think it's weird how quick they came, too. How do you know Palmar and not FF? I am good at using the search function when I know what I am looking for. With Palmar, I remembered. With FF, I had nothing to remember. How long have you been playing on this site, Chez? Since the dawn of time. Your self-vote doesn't seem like a mafia play, but it's not a good town play either if you're town, imo. Well, gonna have to let the vets sort out the veracity of your claims on Palmar and FF. I've actually liked your play so far, so this and the long absence were really the only questionmarks. Do you have the time to catch up some and give us updated reads/comments? How can those who are veterans assert whether these claims are correct when they do not even know who I am, let alone grasp how I might view both these players? I will be present until deadline. I'm not sure if catching up or trying to participate in current conversation is a better use of my time. I don't think you are among the top lynch candidates at the moment. I would prefer if you spend maybe an hour or so catching up, and then discuss closer to the deadline? What do you think of me?
Your playstyle makes it difficult. But I get the feeling that you are reading the game and putting some effort.
Mostly, I feel that an extra day to read you would make the read far, far, far more accurate.
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On February 02 2015 04:12 Damdred wrote:
cut off to soon, i'm nto sure how eden has put a ton of effort intot he game not much real thoughts besides sheeping and dropping stuff instantly
I'm going to ignore these questions. Let me finish looking into it and then we can talk about it.
I'm sorry that I am slow. I can't help it, unless you want my read accuracy to be even lower.
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I still feel like the mafia thread presence is low. I can't explain it. But that's what I think.
Unless of course it's Holyflare or a serious marvellosity....... but please please please let that not be true.
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Damdred is town because he claimed blue. Not sure if you saw that. I am confidently townreading marvellosity, though there is still a very small chance he is scum (and unless something happens to make me doubt him, I think that chance is so small I am willing to forfeit the game in that case).
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Here's my analysis of the Eden1892 case.
First, I will give Eden1892 a slight town lean for all of the not wanting to get killed on Night 1 stuff. It just seems like a really weird play as scum. He's already shown that he can play a fine scum game, so why would he do all this talk about playing badly to avoid getting killed Night 1 if he was scum? It's just adding an unnecessary risk. Another option is that he wants to be a bad scum so he dies and doesn't have to keep playing scum, but that isn't the impression that I get from his filter.
One thing to the contrary is that he stopped complaining about this in the Hammertime Mafia obs qt, which Artanis named Eden's Hammertime obs rant corner because he was upset about getting killed on night 1. Eden1892 didn't do much ranting about it then. Why would he rant now? I can definitely see it coming from a town!Eden1892, but it does seem a bit strange.
While he says that he is going to play poorly to not get killed on Night 1, he also shows signs of reading the thread and thinking about it. See his comment on Holyflare's joke case on Damdred, see his questioning of sicklucker on his "my meta says" comment.
The next major thing is his progression on his sicklucker read. He starts by questioning sicklucker's "my meta says" statement, which is a good pressure. Then he says that he is willing to vote sicklucker for not answering the question, and then says that sicklucker actually did answer it. I reread that section twice and I didn't see sicklucker's answer in between these posts (though I guess I could have missed it......). I'm assuming that Eden1892 realized that sicklucker actually did NOT answer this question, and that is why he was willing to follow Holyflare and vote sicklucker to help add pressure. Therefore, I can accept Eden1892's explanation, though the inconsistency that Holyflare brought up still has some merit.
On February 01 2015 14:55 Eden1892 wrote:
WAIT no nevermind hes blue lol
This is a terrible post. His progression is "Did Damdred really just claim blue with zero votes" -> "Kill Damdred" -> "Never mind Damdred is blue".
Eden1892 also said that he isn't coming back for End of Day. He will get back just in time to see the lynch. So we aren't going to get any help there.
I guess I'm fine with voting Eden1892. The inconsistencies in his play can be explained, but there are more of them than I would like to see. And those aren't things that he is intentionally doing to not get killed on Night 1.
Really hoping that he is able to check on the thread and give some thoughts.
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On February 02 2015 04:31 Chezitwo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2015 04:30 Trfel wrote:
Damdred is town because he claimed blue. Not sure if you saw that. I am confidently townreading marvellosity, though there is still a very small chance he is scum (and unless something happens to make me doubt him, I think that chance is so small I am willing to forfeit the game in that case). Didn't see it. Named VT?
Non-specified blue.
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What the heck. Let's start investigating Holyflare today. A lot of people have voiced suspicions of him for various things, that makes it worth a look.
Since a Robik lynch doesn't seem to have the support, I guess Eden1892 is probably the best vote.
+ Show Spoiler +Holyflare is probably going to start yelling at me for filter diving him
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Eh, I'll wait for Half the Sky before I potentially change my vote. Half the Sky, Robik or Eden?
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I don't feel the need to bring up the quotes, since you guys are right. Eden doesn't look very good.
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On February 02 2015 04:41 Damdred wrote:
Trfel sudden posting leaves me feeling a sense of weirdness and spine tingly feelings
Sudden posting?
I've been writing that post for quite some time. You have made the argument that Eden1892 is scum. Therefore, I was making the argument that he is town and seeing how its validity compared. I decided that your argument was better.
What is the problem here?
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On February 02 2015 04:44 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2015 04:37 Chezitwo wrote:On February 02 2015 04:33 Trfel wrote:
Here's my analysis of the Eden1892 case.
First, I will give Eden1892 a slight town lean for all of the not wanting to get killed on Night 1 stuff. It just seems like a really weird play as scum. He's already shown that he can play a fine scum game, so why would he do all this talk about playing badly to avoid getting killed Night 1 if he was scum? It's just adding an unnecessary risk. I disagree. It's something he's clearly been thinking about outside of the game, so it's easy to bring out during the game. Non alignment indicative at best. While he says that he is going to play poorly to not get killed on Night 1, he also shows signs of reading the thread and thinking about it. See his comment on Holyflare's joke case on Damdred, see his questioning of sicklucker on his "my meta says" comment. Could you quote these? We have limited time and if you know where they are that'd speed this up. The next major thing is his progression on his sicklucker read. He starts by questioning sicklucker's "my meta says" statement, which is a good pressure. Then he says that he is willing to vote sicklucker for not answering the question, and then says that sicklucker actually did answer it. I reread that section twice and I didn't see sicklucker's answer in between these posts (though I guess I could have missed it......). I'm assuming that Eden1892 realized that sicklucker actually did NOT answer this question, and that is why he was willing to follow Holyflare and vote sicklucker to help add pressure. Therefore, I can accept Eden1892's explanation, though the inconsistency that Holyflare brought up still has some merit. Is this the same point you've mentioned before? Because when I went through Eden's filter I saw very little actual digging and more observations. Truffle, your analysis... It's kinda icky.
Hrmph. Seems like no one likes it.
What I don't understand is why everyone is picking my analysis, while I arrived at the same conclusion that they did?
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Ok, from my experience shadowing Artanis in Imperial Mafia, playing Chezitwo like this seems extremely plausible.
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Damdred, I think that we are both suffering from confirmation bias.
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