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On February 02 2015 04:33 Trfel wrote:
Here's my analysis of the Eden1892 case.
First, I will give Eden1892 a slight town lean for all of the not wanting to get killed on Night 1 stuff. It just seems like a really weird play as scum. He's already shown that he can play a fine scum game, so why would he do all this talk about playing badly to avoid getting killed Night 1 if he was scum? It's just adding an unnecessary risk.
I disagree. It's something he's clearly been thinking about outside of the game, so it's easy to bring out during the game. Non alignment indicative at best.
While he says that he is going to play poorly to not get killed on Night 1, he also shows signs of reading the thread and thinking about it. See his comment on Holyflare's joke case on Damdred, see his questioning of sicklucker on his "my meta says" comment.
Could you quote these? We have limited time and if you know where they are that'd speed this up.
The next major thing is his progression on his sicklucker read. He starts by questioning sicklucker's "my meta says" statement, which is a good pressure. Then he says that he is willing to vote sicklucker for not answering the question, and then says that sicklucker actually did answer it. I reread that section twice and I didn't see sicklucker's answer in between these posts (though I guess I could have missed it......). I'm assuming that Eden1892 realized that sicklucker actually did NOT answer this question, and that is why he was willing to follow Holyflare and vote sicklucker to help add pressure. Therefore, I can accept Eden1892's explanation, though the inconsistency that Holyflare brought up still has some merit.
Is this the same point you've mentioned before? Because when I went through Eden's filter I saw very little actual digging and more observations.
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On February 02 2015 04:36 Half the Sky wrote:
and I think Chez did post a quote from a game from last year.
I swear if people are going to keep going on about that quote I'm switching to Stutters695 meta.
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On February 02 2015 04:39 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2015 04:34 Chezitwo wrote:On February 02 2015 04:30 rsoultin wrote:On February 02 2015 04:26 Chezitwo wrote:On February 02 2015 04:23 rsoultin wrote:On February 02 2015 04:12 Chezitwo wrote:On February 02 2015 04:07 Trfel wrote:On February 02 2015 04:04 Chezitwo wrote:On February 02 2015 03:53 Damdred wrote:
I really want people to read my case read Edens filter.
I keep going back and Trfel whats so good about the pressure does it go anywhere? Is there any true conclusion about SL from it? does SL reasoning make sense for how it was dropped and eden just moved on to me? I read it and I read Eden's filter. I don't feel like he has been trying to find the poorly functioning programs between the distro's. He has been throwing up firewalls in front of himself and others, but he does not scan for malware. I am willing to uninstall him. On February 02 2015 04:00 Trfel wrote:On February 02 2015 03:56 Chezitwo wrote:
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How can those who are veterans assert whether these claims are correct when they do not even know who I am, let alone grasp how I might view both these players?
I will be present until deadline. I'm not sure if catching up or trying to participate in current conversation is a better use of my time. I don't think you are among the top lynch candidates at the moment. I would prefer if you spend maybe an hour or so catching up, and then discuss closer to the deadline? What do you think of me? Your playstyle makes it difficult. But I get the feeling that you are reading the game and putting some effort. Mostly, I feel that an extra day to read you would make the read far, far, far more accurate. I find it weird that marv disagrees, yet his idea does not gain any traction. I am a potentially easy mislynch that no one will blame anyone for, yet no one pushes it through. If I weren't me I'd suspect me being mafia for it. Since I have unique information that this isn't the case, there are a few options; 1. Mafia is afraid of pushing me because I'm a wildcard. 2. The current leading wagons are also town. 3. Mafia has no thread presence/all current players discussing are town. I'm not sure what to think. I'd disregard #1, if only because I don't think anyone knows who you are? So the real question is if all the wagons are town, who is scum? Or is scum just not here right now? The wildcard means they might not want to take the risk. There's also this thing called the Chezinu rule that states the first person to call Chezinu mafia that hasn't played with him before is always mafia. These people have posted since Marv voted on me but before I came back: rsoultin, Trfel, HolyFlare, Damdred, Palmar. LS also ninja voted in the meantime. I already townread Trfel and LS before. Damdred seems clearly town from how he's aggressively pushing things. rsoultin seems kinda town as well, leaving HF and Palmar open. I guess it's definitely possible everyone that's been there is town. It'd help a lot in exonerating a town Palmar if Eden flipped scum. Hm. I'm inclined to think marv is town, too, just by how he's been interacting with me. (Both when he suspected me and just now.) HF's response to the suspicion was basically "hey, I was thinking that, too" yet I don't recall seeing anything further from him. That's probably the most suspicious reaction in-thread imo. Palmar I can't read. Trolling. I'd be happy to lynch him just so I don't have to think about him anymore, but the Eden case is decent and lines up with what I've been feeling about Eden all game. I think scum Palmar would've plopped his vote on a townie if Eden were scum. He doesn't seem to give a shit, so mind as well promote a mafia agenda whilst not giving a shit. Mmm...bah lol. Can I just say right now that I absolutely hate Day 1? Okay, so either Palmar is town and Eden's alignment doesn't matter or Palmar is scum and Eden is probably town. This isn't getting me anywhere.
Switching it on its head, Palmar is more likely to be town if Eden flips scum. Eden is the scummier of the two.
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9 page Trfel interacting with the thread and not making large list posts of fluff (ever since the start at least) make me pretty confident in town!Trfel Dammy whammy.
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On February 02 2015 04:42 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2015 04:41 Chezitwo wrote:On February 02 2015 04:39 rsoultin wrote:On February 02 2015 04:34 Chezitwo wrote:On February 02 2015 04:30 rsoultin wrote:On February 02 2015 04:26 Chezitwo wrote:On February 02 2015 04:23 rsoultin wrote:On February 02 2015 04:12 Chezitwo wrote:On February 02 2015 04:07 Trfel wrote:On February 02 2015 04:04 Chezitwo wrote:
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I read it and I read Eden's filter.
I don't feel like he has been trying to find the poorly functioning programs between the distro's. He has been throwing up firewalls in front of himself and others, but he does not scan for malware. I am willing to uninstall him.
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What do you think of me?
Your playstyle makes it difficult. But I get the feeling that you are reading the game and putting some effort. Mostly, I feel that an extra day to read you would make the read far, far, far more accurate. I find it weird that marv disagrees, yet his idea does not gain any traction. I am a potentially easy mislynch that no one will blame anyone for, yet no one pushes it through. If I weren't me I'd suspect me being mafia for it. Since I have unique information that this isn't the case, there are a few options; 1. Mafia is afraid of pushing me because I'm a wildcard. 2. The current leading wagons are also town. 3. Mafia has no thread presence/all current players discussing are town. I'm not sure what to think. I'd disregard #1, if only because I don't think anyone knows who you are? So the real question is if all the wagons are town, who is scum? Or is scum just not here right now? The wildcard means they might not want to take the risk. There's also this thing called the Chezinu rule that states the first person to call Chezinu mafia that hasn't played with him before is always mafia. These people have posted since Marv voted on me but before I came back: rsoultin, Trfel, HolyFlare, Damdred, Palmar. LS also ninja voted in the meantime. I already townread Trfel and LS before. Damdred seems clearly town from how he's aggressively pushing things. rsoultin seems kinda town as well, leaving HF and Palmar open. I guess it's definitely possible everyone that's been there is town. It'd help a lot in exonerating a town Palmar if Eden flipped scum. Hm. I'm inclined to think marv is town, too, just by how he's been interacting with me. (Both when he suspected me and just now.) HF's response to the suspicion was basically "hey, I was thinking that, too" yet I don't recall seeing anything further from him. That's probably the most suspicious reaction in-thread imo. Palmar I can't read. Trolling. I'd be happy to lynch him just so I don't have to think about him anymore, but the Eden case is decent and lines up with what I've been feeling about Eden all game. I think scum Palmar would've plopped his vote on a townie if Eden were scum. He doesn't seem to give a shit, so mind as well promote a mafia agenda whilst not giving a shit. Mmm...bah lol. Can I just say right now that I absolutely hate Day 1? Okay, so either Palmar is town and Eden's alignment doesn't matter or Palmar is scum and Eden is probably town. This isn't getting me anywhere. Switching it on its head, Palmar is more likely to be town if Eden flips scum. Eden is the scummier of the two. Yes, the weird meta thing about how palmar is town is still weird.
What are you talking about?
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On February 02 2015 04:45 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2015 04:44 rsoultin wrote:On February 02 2015 04:37 Chezitwo wrote:On February 02 2015 04:33 Trfel wrote:
Here's my analysis of the Eden1892 case.
First, I will give Eden1892 a slight town lean for all of the not wanting to get killed on Night 1 stuff. It just seems like a really weird play as scum. He's already shown that he can play a fine scum game, so why would he do all this talk about playing badly to avoid getting killed Night 1 if he was scum? It's just adding an unnecessary risk. I disagree. It's something he's clearly been thinking about outside of the game, so it's easy to bring out during the game. Non alignment indicative at best. While he says that he is going to play poorly to not get killed on Night 1, he also shows signs of reading the thread and thinking about it. See his comment on Holyflare's joke case on Damdred, see his questioning of sicklucker on his "my meta says" comment. Could you quote these? We have limited time and if you know where they are that'd speed this up. The next major thing is his progression on his sicklucker read. He starts by questioning sicklucker's "my meta says" statement, which is a good pressure. Then he says that he is willing to vote sicklucker for not answering the question, and then says that sicklucker actually did answer it. I reread that section twice and I didn't see sicklucker's answer in between these posts (though I guess I could have missed it......). I'm assuming that Eden1892 realized that sicklucker actually did NOT answer this question, and that is why he was willing to follow Holyflare and vote sicklucker to help add pressure. Therefore, I can accept Eden1892's explanation, though the inconsistency that Holyflare brought up still has some merit. Is this the same point you've mentioned before? Because when I went through Eden's filter I saw very little actual digging and more observations. Truffle, your analysis... It's kinda icky. Hrmph. Seems like no one likes it. What I don't understand is why everyone is picking my analysis, while I arrived at the same conclusion that they did?
The problem is that it seems you're going for this semi defense thing where you bring up reasons for him to be town and frame it in a town perspective.
The problem with seeing you as scum for it is that you end up voting for Eden anyway and that you're not actually accomplishing any scum objectives with it should you be scum, so it doesn't make sense for you to post it as scum.
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On February 02 2015 04:46 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2015 04:45 Chezitwo wrote:On February 02 2015 04:42 Holyflare wrote:On February 02 2015 04:41 Chezitwo wrote:On February 02 2015 04:39 rsoultin wrote:On February 02 2015 04:34 Chezitwo wrote:On February 02 2015 04:30 rsoultin wrote:On February 02 2015 04:26 Chezitwo wrote:On February 02 2015 04:23 rsoultin wrote:On February 02 2015 04:12 Chezitwo wrote:
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I find it weird that marv disagrees, yet his idea does not gain any traction. I am a potentially easy mislynch that no one will blame anyone for, yet no one pushes it through. If I weren't me I'd suspect me being mafia for it. Since I have unique information that this isn't the case, there are a few options;
1. Mafia is afraid of pushing me because I'm a wildcard.
2. The current leading wagons are also town.
3. Mafia has no thread presence/all current players discussing are town.
I'm not sure what to think. I'd disregard #1, if only because I don't think anyone knows who you are? So the real question is if all the wagons are town, who is scum? Or is scum just not here right now? The wildcard means they might not want to take the risk. There's also this thing called the Chezinu rule that states the first person to call Chezinu mafia that hasn't played with him before is always mafia. These people have posted since Marv voted on me but before I came back: rsoultin, Trfel, HolyFlare, Damdred, Palmar. LS also ninja voted in the meantime. I already townread Trfel and LS before. Damdred seems clearly town from how he's aggressively pushing things. rsoultin seems kinda town as well, leaving HF and Palmar open. I guess it's definitely possible everyone that's been there is town. It'd help a lot in exonerating a town Palmar if Eden flipped scum. Hm. I'm inclined to think marv is town, too, just by how he's been interacting with me. (Both when he suspected me and just now.) HF's response to the suspicion was basically "hey, I was thinking that, too" yet I don't recall seeing anything further from him. That's probably the most suspicious reaction in-thread imo. Palmar I can't read. Trolling. I'd be happy to lynch him just so I don't have to think about him anymore, but the Eden case is decent and lines up with what I've been feeling about Eden all game. I think scum Palmar would've plopped his vote on a townie if Eden were scum. He doesn't seem to give a shit, so mind as well promote a mafia agenda whilst not giving a shit. Mmm...bah lol. Can I just say right now that I absolutely hate Day 1? Okay, so either Palmar is town and Eden's alignment doesn't matter or Palmar is scum and Eden is probably town. This isn't getting me anywhere. Switching it on its head, Palmar is more likely to be town if Eden flips scum. Eden is the scummier of the two. Yes, the weird meta thing about how palmar is town is still weird. What are you talking about? When marv said palmars meta makes him very likely mafia and eden defended him saying he was town because he did something that was nothing like his town game.
Oh yeah I saw that I think. Not sure what to think of it.
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Oh and to confirm my alignment I'm going to claim Artanis.
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There's basically no way I'd abandon Chez meta if I were scum after Imperial so yeah.
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On February 02 2015 04:53 Trfel wrote:
Ok, from my experience shadowing Artanis in Imperial Mafia, playing Chezitwo like this seems extremely plausible.
I don't think you really need to speculate at this point anymore. I even accidentally posted a smiley under my normal nick earlier in the thread.
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Writing in riddles is so hard. Chez is truly a skilled man.
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Robik rolled scum in both Hammertime and PYP. I can imagine him going for a play like this and afk as scum actually.
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On February 02 2015 05:01 Eden1892 wrote:
I am so disappointed.
I could have sworn Chezitwo was Chezinu.
Don't worry, I'll play like Chezinu again on D2.
Shame you won't be around to see it 
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On February 02 2015 05:08 marvellosity wrote:
if artanis is chez then he should be mafia.
Nah, I started playing.
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On February 02 2015 05:14 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2015 05:13 LightningStrike wrote:
Marv you seemed to had played with Artanis enough to call him scum can you elaborate on it please? he is good and his play has been pathetic, that's all
I've been roleplaying as Chez though, you have no idea how hard that is.
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I just had a potentially Vivaxesque theory.
Eden tells HF he's not going to bother defending himself.
HF switches to Eden before Eden claims scum
Eden claims scum.
I already hate it myself but I'm still going to put it out there.
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I dunno why Eden decided to claim scum when I gave them a proper avenue to push though. I really would suspect me if I weren't me.
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Also, Eden, take this chance to post baby seals. You don't get many chances.
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HF why don't you suspect me?
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On February 02 2015 05:24 Holyflare wrote:i did/do/still do?
did: I was in your probably town list.
Do/still do: I just posted a situation, you said probably afk rather than even thinking about it being me.
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