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geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 08 2015 11:14 GMT
#2861
Lolz. Like the ninja with a shot is going to do anything at all. Mafia ignores him. He waits for mafia to narrow down who to shoot then can literally just vote with mafia.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 08 2015 13:04 GMT
#2866
On March 08 2015 21:41 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2015 21:18 Half the Sky wrote:
I'm back and (mostly) recovered from the birthday-related festivities. Then again, there'll be more today...

...but not before helping sort this out. Catching up.



Happy Birthday, wrote it in the other game don't know if you saw it.

Now vote me Mayor.

I AM!
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 08 2015 18:28 GMT
#2890
On March 09 2015 01:36 IAmRobik wrote:
Just give me mayor and I'll take 2 townies with me

You're a dumbass. He was clearly not 3P.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 08 2015 18:47 GMT
#2893
On March 09 2015 03:42 IAmRobik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2015 03:28 geript wrote:
On March 09 2015 01:36 IAmRobik wrote:
Just give me mayor and I'll take 2 townies with me

You're a dumbass. He was clearly not 3P.

I know but I might have lost if I hit town. So it was shooting you or shooting him. Please grant me mercy mafia team

Fuck no. You don't even get endgamed. Like you can literally hold you bullet for 1 more day. You don't get endgamed. It's not fucking insanity. Like you fucked up a good play of claiming 3P by not listening to a claimed scum.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 08 2015 19:28 GMT
#2900
Man this game would've been so easy had 3P not been fucking retarded.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 09 2015 05:47 GMT
#2921
On March 09 2015 14:38 IAmRobik wrote:
Not voting me for mayor is fucking dumb. Onegu can still potentially be a ninja and then he'll just shoot me and you won't get anywhere. He could also be mafia who gave a real check to gain cred by saccing GERIPT. I have proven my loyalty with my shot even though I could have shot elsewhere to try to win the game. I implore you to vote me for mayor.

QQ more
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 09 2015 18:16 GMT
#2951
It's really fucked that he shot mafia then got perma banned.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 09 2015 18:26 GMT
#2952
I'm actually really pissed that Artanis removed HtS and Robik. That should not have been done.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 09 2015 18:49 GMT
#2955
The dude literally just made a fucking terrible shot that really fucks over mafia. Gets perma banned. Gets removed from the game. Because he's 3P he removes the other 3P. Like HTS was a potential mislynch for us. We could've red checked him. We could've claimed 3P. Like it's really fucked up that he removes both. There's even the potential for Robik to shoot town in specific lynch mechanics. What he should have done was nothing. HTS doesn't deserve to be removed. She did nothing. Like all it does is really fuck over mafia. Like that's really fucking bad.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 09 2015 19:18 GMT
#2960
No like the whole point of the play is to get 3P who rightly mafia side. Then 3P makes a boneheaded shot. Then the 3P gets removed for no reason. Like that's really really fucked up. It's not like HTS couldn't have gotten roles or sucked up more KP. Robik we weren't going to touch unless we had to but I'm still just really fucking pissed about that shit. I'm glad that shithead got a semi perm.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 09 2015 22:59 GMT
#2992
GL Mafia!!!!!
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 10 2015 00:47 GMT
#3069
People pointed at the OP.

Eating dinner then I'll post a few things more.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 10 2015 01:07 GMT
#3084
On March 10 2015 09:46 Toadesstern wrote:
geript what you wrote about robik was absolutely bullshit:
Show nested quote +
Also the correct play for Robik is to 100% hold his shot. Shooting there was really really stupid.


holding his shot was always a 100% lose for Robik because it was endgame before reaching d3 EVEN WITH double mafia kill on d2.
It was between shooting mafia and killing the ninja during n2. If he had no idea who the other ninja was he has to shoot mafia to at least try and avoid endgame, even if unlikely. He proably should not have claimed though.

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On March 10 2015 09:45 Half the Sky wrote:
On March 10 2015 09:32 Toadesstern wrote:
lynch him on d2, not shoot him.


Ahhh so you are asking why I lynched SL instead of Sandroba? Thought I explained in obs qt.

I could not decide between the two. They both looked bad. [...]


so sheep the two townies that conveniently both thought one of the two options you had is the most likely mafia in the entire game, who both conveniently got shot by mafia.

First things first:
Killing mafia during the night lowers KP. I'm pretty sure Artanis commented on this in thread even. So there's no point to do so during D3. Second, let's pretend Onegu (or one of his proposed team) is mafia. Mafia will use the lynch as KP and just kill an obvious towny. Then shooting mafia does him absolutely no good as he will just get endgamed after being shot. Like mafia will just pretend he's not even in the game. Third, let's pretend the 3P gets elected (who will obvious fail it). Then we just kill Robik most likely out of gratitude because it removes extra votes etc. Fourth, if all town gets elected, he knows not to shoot any of them.

Let's also just look at the situation. Pretend he uses his shuriken; his only way of getting the other ninja killed is to do it via lynch (which is essentially the same as shooting them) OR by having mafia put NKs on the other ninja. By killing a mafia (and where 1 mafia is outed), mafia KP is reduced so he's unlikely to get his wish. Like there's literally no situation where I can think of that Robik is in a better spot by specifically shooting Sandroba instead of aiming for 3P. Yes, it helps him not get endgamed sooner, but it doesn't ever actually help him win the game.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 10 2015 01:15 GMT
#3091
When I saw the mafia team, I knew I was going to have to try and carry early on. Keir doesn't have time to post much but I was hoping for more from him. Sandroba hates playing as mafia. LS can likely be townread and ignored mostly. Kurumi and Slam were both likely to be lynched for basically doing nothing consistently. So I knew I was going to have to snowball it ideally.

I forget who it was (maybe Epiphany) that called me out for exactly what I was doing on D1, but basically he said: Geript is just trying to push people to shoot 24hrs in, Geript is just trying to stir the pot with people, Geript has no non-bullshit points. It was actually really, really correct on all points. My whole point of D1 was to try and get Rayn and Koshi off balance as much as possible. Call them bad; push other points; make them doubt their reads; etc. It was actually really funny because Rayn was also really, really right when he fingered me (kinky) on N1. Who I ever really say was mafia? I had like 3-4 "suspects" that I just kinda rambled about but was far more interested in arguing, bullying and making it hard for people to think about the game (instead of act emotionally). That would never be my town play. Thus why he had to die.

FWIW, I was never drunk this game. Didn't even go to the mexican place; I was just lazy and faked it. I think Toad took that quote out of context. Because Tube was arguing that I was mafia with Sandroba (tin foil hat is right but for the wrong reasons); I was arguing that if that were the case, I would never let Sandro make the play. BTW, it's a really bad play and he shouldn't have made it (in context of his thread presence).

Town spirit really fucked up something fierce.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 10 2015 01:18 GMT
#3094
On March 10 2015 10:11 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2015 10:07 geript wrote:
On March 10 2015 09:46 Toadesstern wrote:
geript what you wrote about robik was absolutely bullshit:
Also the correct play for Robik is to 100% hold his shot. Shooting there was really really stupid.


holding his shot was always a 100% lose for Robik because it was endgame before reaching d3 EVEN WITH double mafia kill on d2.
It was between shooting mafia and killing the ninja during n2. If he had no idea who the other ninja was he has to shoot mafia to at least try and avoid endgame, even if unlikely. He proably should not have claimed though.

On March 10 2015 09:45 Half the Sky wrote:
On March 10 2015 09:32 Toadesstern wrote:
lynch him on d2, not shoot him.


Ahhh so you are asking why I lynched SL instead of Sandroba? Thought I explained in obs qt.

I could not decide between the two. They both looked bad. [...]


so sheep the two townies that conveniently both thought one of the two options you had is the most likely mafia in the entire game, who both conveniently got shot by mafia.

First things first:
Killing mafia during the night lowers KP. I'm pretty sure Artanis commented on this in thread even. So there's no point to do so during D3. Second, let's pretend Onegu (or one of his proposed team) is mafia. Mafia will use the lynch as KP and just kill an obvious towny. Then shooting mafia does him absolutely no good as he will just get endgamed after being shot. Like mafia will just pretend he's not even in the game. Third, let's pretend the 3P gets elected (who will obvious fail it). Then we just kill Robik most likely out of gratitude because it removes extra votes etc. Fourth, if all town gets elected, he knows not to shoot any of them.

Let's also just look at the situation. Pretend he uses his shuriken; his only way of getting the other ninja killed is to do it via lynch (which is essentially the same as shooting them) OR by having mafia put NKs on the other ninja. By killing a mafia (and where 1 mafia is outed), mafia KP is reduced so he's unlikely to get his wish. Like there's literally no situation where I can think of that Robik is in a better spot by specifically shooting Sandroba instead of aiming for 3P. Yes, it helps him not get endgamed sooner, but it doesn't ever actually help him win the game.


you completly fail to realize that he would not have gotten a lynch on d3 because the game ends before d3 and thus everything you mentioned there is just wrong.

Yes, mafia loses KP once down to 4, that's the reason he shot mafia. To try and get a d3 lynch instead of just losing without getting another lynch.

So no, what he did was the best he could have done (assuming he has no idea who the ninja is). I'm not going to argue wether or not he should have used his shot to shoot ninja, that's obviously best play but holding his shot like you said would have been the worst possible scenario for him.

He was alive on D3. Mafia in order to endgame can't win until D4. It was 8v2v6. Killing 1 town doesn't make endgame because he still has his bullet. And if he's going to shoot mafia during the day. Then he should shoot during the night because he might actually remove a Mafia role. Like if you want to argue that he has to shoot mafia with it to prevent endgame, then it's 100% better to shoot that mafia player at night (after roles are given out).
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 10 2015 01:22 GMT
#3100
On March 10 2015 10:16 sicklucker wrote:
I think when two people are pitted against each other (me and tube) but both INSTANTLY jump to the conclusion its fake instead of going after each other then that third party is always mafia.

I think people ignored this fact too much

Not really. Like if he's town and has a green check on Onegu what's he supposed to do there? Keep silent? It's not like you or Tube would likely react to it any differently as I think you were both already on the "let's kill Sandroba" plan. Like that's really dumb. The reason why you got lynched wasn't because of the play. It's 100% because you didn't make actual arguments against Sandroba. Like everyone was all "WTF, Geript's making a case on why Sandroba is mafia and calling him town." And yah, I had to find very tiny discrepancies to point out because you know, he was totes mcgoats mafia. Rather you guys were all like, "This claim is totally bogus. Rayn/Toad said to kill Sandroba. That guy's totally scum. He's probably greenchecking his partner Onegu. etc." Like that isn't going to convince anyone. Plus, people like lynching because that's pretty much what you do as mafia. You try and do as little as possible to not get lynched even if you have to bus.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 10 2015 01:24 GMT
#3104
On March 10 2015 10:21 kitaman27 wrote:
Just curious, did sandroba actually receive a cop check?

Yup. We cop checked LS. In hindsight, we should've cop checked a random to find out if ninja. But eh. We were thinking about setting up a double bus.

Oh and I got a vigi shot. Thank's Foolishness I had to shoot my dear friend Rayn. It brought tears to my eyes.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 10 2015 01:27 GMT
#3109
On March 08 2015 19:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I was asked if a Ninja shot during N3 on the 5th mafia member reduces the mafia KP to 1 on N3. It does.

I was also asked if the mission required a unanimous pass. It does.

Toad. This post. If he shoots mafia on N3, he not only can get a role that's been given out (thereby further delaying endgame) but it also reduced KP.

Like if you want to argue that shooting during D3 is better than shooting during N3. Then you're just wrong. There's literally no benefit to shooting during D3 instead of N3.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 10 2015 01:29 GMT
#3111
On March 10 2015 10:25 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2015 10:24 geript wrote:
On March 10 2015 10:21 kitaman27 wrote:
Just curious, did sandroba actually receive a cop check?

Yup. We cop checked LS. In hindsight, we should've cop checked a random to find out if ninja. But eh. We were thinking about setting up a double bus.

Oh and I got a vigi shot. Thank's Foolishness I had to shoot my dear friend Rayn. It brought tears to my eyes.


It would have been pretty funny if onegu flipped as ninja at some point.

Yah that would've been hilarious.

BTW, why didn't you pick up on any of the random Demon's Run posts I made like all over the place. I even used the word backstabby. I was really surprised that you were town because I just figured that you knew I was claiming mafia to you and you didn't comment on it whatsoever.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 10 2015 01:33 GMT
#3114
On March 10 2015 10:30 sicklucker wrote:
Btw wth was that spirit msg that power was op as shit. It basically won them the game. I had over an hour to get the lynch off of me and I would have but when I saw that I stopped trying grrr

That was like the most obvious scum play ever imo though. Like Syllo would never townread Sandro in this game.
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