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geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 06 2015 07:37 GMT
#2278
No I really believe Syllogism who can read Sandro like a book gave it to him. Like if he's mafia, why would he ever claim a check within his pod?
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 06 2015 07:44 GMT
#2282
On March 06 2015 16:39 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2015 16:35 geript wrote:
Why do you believe so heavily in this tin foil hat theory? Like I really don't get it. Like do you really think that Town only gets 1 power role on N1?


I'm thinking people are not claiming, or there simply were no power roles given.

I simply don't believe Sandroba's claim. It has nothing to do with how many power roles are available.

That quite frankly is absolutely retarded. There is literally 0 reason for people not to have claimed what powers they got and what powers they used. Like not as any alignment. Literally 0 reason. There's literally 0 reason to think that in a setup with 6 mafia (with 2 KP) and 2 3P (each with 2KP) that town only gets 2 roles. Maybe some roles went to Rayn/Toad. Maybe. Like no one has claimed a RB on me. No one's claimed a vest hit. No one's claimed a medic use. At most so far, Town could have gotten 4 roles. Which is at least 2 fewer than I would expect on N1. Probably 3 fewer considering how mafia favored the lynch mechanics are in general. So why on god's green earth aren't people claiming these powers 1, why didn't they use these powers 2 and where in the fuck are all the roles we're missing?
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 06 2015 07:45 GMT
#2284
On March 06 2015 16:44 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2015 16:37 geript wrote:
No I really believe Syllogism who can read Sandro like a book gave it to him. Like if he's mafia, why would he ever claim a check within his pod?


But you dont know what spirit is what? So at best sandros claim only makes sense half the time

UNDER WHAT FUCKING CIRCUMSTANCES DOES MAFIA SANDRO FUCKING CLAIM A GREEN CHECK WITHIN HIS POD ON A GUY WHO'S PRETTY UNIVERSALLY SCUMREAD AND THE EASIEST FUCKING MISLYNCH IN THE FUCKING POD?????
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 06 2015 07:48 GMT
#2285
Like you're both proposing the most asinine shit and I don't know which of you is even fucking town at this point. And both of you are making the same dumbass claim that a mafia who's done relatively little would green check the most obvious lynch bait in his pod.

Like if Onegu is mafia then fuck Artanis right int he fucking pussy. That'd 100% be the most bastard hosting ever in a setup that's already really fucking mafia sided. I have a really hard time believing he'd do that.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 06 2015 07:50 GMT
#2287
Like that would be some really crazy ass shit. Late in the game, I coudl maybe. MABYE 2 mafia in a cell. But even then that's a big maybe. Like it's insanity now.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 06 2015 07:53 GMT
#2289
Why do you think that there are non-traditional roles in this game? I got vigi. We have normal assassin roles. Like why would you think that?
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 06 2015 07:56 GMT
#2291
I don't even know what to say. Like why would I lie about being a vigi as any alignment? Please tell me. Please tell me.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 06 2015 07:57 GMT
#2292
Like literally neither of you are making any fucking sense.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 06 2015 08:00 GMT
#2296
On March 06 2015 16:58 Breshke wrote:
It really makes me feel uneasy that sandroba didn't spend any of his small amount of time in the thread trying to work out if tube or SL was mafia.

This I can understand. This I can get. But I can just disagree with it based on better evidence.

Breshke, did you get a role last night?
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 06 2015 08:07 GMT
#2297
On March 06 2015 16:59 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2015 16:56 geript wrote:
I don't even know what to say. Like why would I lie about being a vigi as any alignment? Please tell me. Please tell me.


I absolutely will tell the thread. But it's not quite important yet.

But you really think that we need vigis with 2 2kp Ninjas? Someone talked about it earlier and I don't remember them considering non ninja vigis in the game.

So, feel free to attack my idea as it's more dangerous to mafia than finding who the mafia is in this cell.

I'm trying to fucknig understand why you believe such bullshit.
And needing Vigis with 2kp Ninjas. Yes. Ninjas aren't trying to shoot mafia. Hell some people will just shoot indiscriminately into reasonable targets. Which more often than not will be town. Ninjas are not town aligned. They're far, far more closer to mafia aligned than anything else. Like when all 4 shuriken get shot, then guess what happens. They claim. Because there's literally 0 reason for them not to claim. They just don't want to get lynched and will try to side with whoever wants to help them the most. Ask Kita. In Demon's run he was 3P and he and I and Austin (my mafia partner) made a shaky alliance so that we had a chance at winning. 3P are in no way town aligned. They're heavily anti town. Super heavily anti-town. So yes, in a setup with 6 mafia and 2 3rd party then yes, town needs a way to cull the chaff and/or kill mafia. Like with out such, by the end of N2 in a what 26 person setup there's like 7 town going to be dead at least most likely. If not 9-10. It can easily be MYLO on D3. So yes, town needs roles to help figure shit out.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 06 2015 08:13 GMT
#2299
Why save up points though? Like it's ridiculously risky. One shot roles are ridiculously powerful. Because like you said, it's a lot harder to remove the blue. Like 1 shot medic or 1 shot anything. Even tracker/watcher. Sure it makes it that you can't hunt blues, it rewards mafia for really good play (ie looking really town) with town's roles. Like I can imagine saving some points. That's reasonable. But not spending except on KP. Like that's insane to me. At least buy a medic or something. Like something with good odds to last a while.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 06 2015 08:14 GMT
#2300
Like I think this game has really highlighted why I should just quit playing mafia. Nobody ever listens to the good poitns I make and harps on all the random shit I say.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 06 2015 08:19 GMT
#2306
Like it's 3am here and I'm just done. I'm done. I'm wasting time trying to figure out which of you two is mafia and which of you two is town. Like I could be applying for more jobs. Or looking for openings in areas I haven't considered but would move to. Or anything really. Like I've had it. I'm just wasting my time here. I'll probably just sheep kita or maybe I won't come back. I'm just really tired.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 06 2015 16:30 GMT
#2354
Everytime I've seen Sandroba as mafia (except for Catastrophe), which is a surprising amount, I've had the following experience.

As mafia, Sandroba will literally do nothing. Like in Duke Nukem Hydra, I'm pretty sure that Syllogism made like 4 posts and Sandroba didn't post at all. In Shadow he barely interacts at all and Marv/HF decided to bus him on D1. Like he has no thoughts in his filter that game and doesn't even get off page 1. I remember Sandroba replacing out of a game and people questioning whether they should just lynch that slot because of how much Sandro hates rolling mafia. My experience is that as mafia he does absolutely nothing and waits to be AFK lynched. That's not what I see here.

Like in Shadow he makes a post about Prome and basically afk's and completely ignores it. He doesn't even care what anyone else thinks about his case. He's lazy and doesn't even bother with it really. But in this game there are hints that's not the case. Like he hasn't just afk spammed Breshke into oblivion. Rather, he's actually compared about why he could be right or could be wrong on Breshke.

Like I think mafia are probably just afk stacking on Sandroba and using any reason they want to try and lynch him. Because for as much as SL and Tube have talked about Sandro doing nothing, they really haven't evaluated the other player at all. Zero. Zip. Nada.

On March 05 2015 08:05 sicklucker wrote:
Oh shit. Well theres two easy town reads. Me and tubesock so that leaves two others.

This is SL's marvelous townread on Tube. Which btw comes AFTER the cell has been posted. SL buddied the fuck out of everyone and anyone in Office just to not get lynched. He's refused to give any sort of actual reasonable analysis for Sandro being mafia (just Tube is OMG TOWN, a read which IIRC he hasn't explained). He hasn't bothered looking whatsoever. He's pushed the idea that Sandro is mafia with Onegu which SL is smart enough as town to completely ignore that shit line of thinking. I could go on but I'm really not going to waste more time on this shit.

You guys can lynch town Sandroba. I don't fucking care. But when he flips town, just lynch peopel on his wagon and SL.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 06 2015 17:12 GMT
#2361
On March 07 2015 01:48 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2015 01:30 geript wrote:
My experience is that as mafia he does absolutely nothing and waits to be AFK lynched. That's not what I see here.


Could you elaborate? I think even sandroba would admit that he has done close to nothing, yet you come to the town conclusion.

Look at shadow. He makes a point and then tries to ride that for as long as possible and doesn't give a fuck what you or anyone else said about it.

Look at Hydra:
Sandro made I think exactly 5 posts (hard to tell exactly because they didn't sign their posts exactly)
On April 16 2013 04:36 ShotgunBiceps wrote:
As for Syllo, I'm a bit annoyed by how he's handling this situation. I can certainly see him acting like this as a disheartened townie, but he's not giving us enough to call for an anti-nuke, and I still think his lynch-actions were very likely to come from scum-syllo.

After he votes FMB, he beings to share sentiment arising in the town that the vote-count looks a ton like a mislynch:
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On April 15 2013 04:48 SamuelLJackson wrote:
This vote count looks suspiciously like a townie lynch. One wagon and 4 votes spread around?
Marvel, since you are here, are any other options viable today in your opinion? I could use some leads on who i should spend my time on.


Then he makes a show about wanting to carefully consider other options:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2013 05:30 SamuelLJackson wrote:
@vivax420 I took a quick peek at your filter and it seems you both agree on the FMB lynch, are voting for someone else and now you are pressuring me to move my vote away from him instantly when I'm considering other options?

Show nested quote +
On April 15 2013 05:42 SamuelLJackson wrote:
On April 15 2013 05:31 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
Honestly, at this point I'm not going to lynch Prom.

Vivax420/NSB/WWoC

Pick one, bros.

I could get behind vivax420/nsb/FMB, who looks actually like a good wagon if vivax is scum. I'm not feeling the woc.


While he did say he was going to bed in 30 minutes or whatever, I find it hard to believe that he disappeared in the middle of his deliberations on finding an alternative lynch. He apparently decided not to care, leave his vote on a guy he had misgivings about, and go to bed. It's hard for me to rationalize that from town-Syllo.

These being the relevant posts. Syllo was supposed to post on D1 on the weekend while Sandro was out/gettingdrunk/etc. Sandro popped in to say that syllo looked kinda towny.
Like he doesn't really make any push or try to do anything specifically. He doesn't really analyze. He just finds something safe to push and grinds it into the ground. Palmer got a scumread on Sandro IIRC because he ignored something that he would normally read as town.
It's similar for Shadow. Where he pushes Prome and doesn't care about any detracting points whatsoever. Like he doesn't bother even recognizing anything that he should read as town.

Like I've never played with Sandro's town game, but I've never seen him recognize contrasting information about people. Whether it's your point on misreading Breshke or look at meta or anything.

Shadow
Hydra
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 06 2015 17:14 GMT
#2362
On March 07 2015 01:59 sicklucker wrote:
Geript is like acualy the worst town ive ever seen if hes town here again. Geript you made one good read I did buddy up to people in the office and any mafia game in general.

But this game im pissing people off and enjoying it whats that tell you?

+ Show Spoiler +
Im town

Nothing. Because you will literally do anything at all as mafia. You literally give zero fucks as mafia. I can't even read you off of bussing your partners.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 06 2015 17:50 GMT
#2370
On March 07 2015 02:23 kitaman27 wrote:
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On March 07 2015 02:12 geript wrote:
Like I've never played with Sandro's town game, but I've never seen him recognize contrasting information about people. Whether it's your point on misreading Breshke or look at meta or anything.


sandroba's point about Breshke was that Breshke concluded sandroba was mafia.
I pointed out that Breshke came to the opposite conclusion.

So if I'm understanding you correctly, you're saying that a mafia sandroba would refuse to acknowledge the text that refutes his point?

It's not just that. It's also looking at his meta. I don't think I've ever seen mafia sandro make a meta case or look at things like that. Like I think it's pretty easy to disagree with me on meta points because I tend to look at really little things that many people ignore. It's not just activity for Breshke because he is less active as mafia. But it's also how he interacts with things and the thread.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 06 2015 18:07 GMT
#2377
How about that town only got 1 role on N1? Yah, that's pretty crazy.
How about non-standard roles? I know I got an exceptionally standard role. So yah, that's pretty crazy.
How about that Sandroba as mafia greenchecks the easiest mislynch in the pod? Also crazy.
How about that I'm lying about getting vigi role? Well I did. Suck it. Also crazy.
How about that town spirit didn't give anythign at all away? Saving up without spending on a medic is absolutely insane.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 06 2015 18:10 GMT
#2380
On March 07 2015 03:06 IAmRobik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2015 03:04 Tubesock wrote:
On March 07 2015 03:01 IAmRobik wrote:
On March 07 2015 02:59 Tubesock wrote:
On March 07 2015 02:54 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On March 07 2015 02:52 Tubesock wrote:
One other thing I would like town to consider.

IamRobik, Kithaman27, and Half the Sky all thought my theory is dumb as shit (still do I assume). ALL three are visibly investigating the points of that theory. Maybe not all of them, but certainly some of them. These people care about the truth, they want to find the scum. This is so obviously town motivated.

Compare Geript.

Town!Geript would be motivated to find the truth among the stupid. MafiaGeript would be motivated to either discredit the theory or bury the town.



Geript not liking your ideas doesn't make him mafia.


Kithaman nor Robik liked my ideas.

Geript not even considering any of them does.

what idea?


That Sandroba is scum, fakeclaiming to save himself and from having to work really hard to prove he isn't the lynch in this cell.

My entire Tinfoil Hat Theory.

wtf. of course sandroba's scum. I think he checks lightning 100% of the time as actual cop-check

I disagree. But that's like impossible to argue.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 06 2015 18:27 GMT
#2391
On March 07 2015 03:15 IAmRobik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2015 03:10 geript wrote:
On March 07 2015 03:06 IAmRobik wrote:
On March 07 2015 03:04 Tubesock wrote:
On March 07 2015 03:01 IAmRobik wrote:
On March 07 2015 02:59 Tubesock wrote:
On March 07 2015 02:54 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On March 07 2015 02:52 Tubesock wrote:
One other thing I would like town to consider.

IamRobik, Kithaman27, and Half the Sky all thought my theory is dumb as shit (still do I assume). ALL three are visibly investigating the points of that theory. Maybe not all of them, but certainly some of them. These people care about the truth, they want to find the scum. This is so obviously town motivated.

Compare Geript.

Town!Geript would be motivated to find the truth among the stupid. MafiaGeript would be motivated to either discredit the theory or bury the town.



Geript not liking your ideas doesn't make him mafia.


Kithaman nor Robik liked my ideas.

Geript not even considering any of them does.

what idea?


That Sandroba is scum, fakeclaiming to save himself and from having to work really hard to prove he isn't the lynch in this cell.

My entire Tinfoil Hat Theory.

wtf. of course sandroba's scum. I think he checks lightning 100% of the time as actual cop-check

I disagree. But that's like impossible to argue.

You disagree with him being scum or you disagree on his cop check? and what's impossible to argue

That he'd 100% cop check LS
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