EPTAlso, I mentioned before JJB's tone changed today. Just look at that post responding to my case, trying to head it off before I could continue with it. It's defensive and panicky. There is still a decent amount of time left before EoD, practically another irl day, and as far as thread sentiment, Zlefin doesn't look like he'll budge off of Palmar. JJB wasn't really at risk of being lynched today and is pretty jumpy about it.
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Also, I mentioned before JJB's tone changed today. Just look at that post responding to my case, trying to head it off before I could continue with it. It's defensive and panicky. There is still a decent amount of time left before EoD, practically another irl day, and as far as thread sentiment, Zlefin doesn't look like he'll budge off of Palmar. JJB wasn't really at risk of being lynched today and is pretty jumpy about it. | ||
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This is rushed, I'll try to answer what I can and felt was most relevant. JJB's defense is horrible. I really find it telling that Trfel can find better defenses for JJB than Trfel can. And I hate hate hate newbie meta cases. Maybe this is Geript rubbing off on me from last Student game but it is too weak of a point for me to give any credit. BUT, objectively, JJB did link his filter to the last 2 town games. Meta wise, he has a bigger filter this game with less content. Take a look at that game where we lynched him D3 and lost. Trfel made a point that JJB was asked for a Silver read and therefore may not have been committed to it for that reason. In his interactions with others in these other town games, his responses are much more in depth when people ask him for his opinion compared to the flimsy Silver read IN WHICH HE NEVER FLATLY STATES HER ALIGNMENT. This makes me think all of JJb's meta case appeals are just BS. He could very well knowingly have emulated his town play, and pretty well at that, except for his interactions with Silver. | ||
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I agree with the anti-town Zlefin attitude likely being more town than scum. Or it could just all be wifom. And JJB is sure there is no tomorrow. Even now, Trfel is critically thinking and playing with possibilities should Palmar be a mislynch. It looks like you guys are going to lynch Palmar, after all. Regardless, my vote stays. | ||
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On February 23 2015 08:07 jarjarbinks wrote: lol there won't be a tomorrow! You are showing that you are trying, which draws confusion. After some analysis you go ahead and sheep shining's read because it is your only way out from getting lynched. And don't even think I missed that feel question from you before you decided to finally vote for me. You were definitely checking to see if I thought about voting shining, so you can change the way you are making your reads. This point is bad. I am not in any danger of being mislynched at this point. Trfel seems to still be leaning strong town on me, Zlefin is very obstinate about us all being town and Palmar being scum, and you and Palmar alone cannot lynch me. And Palmar is only slightly suspicious. Also, being original in being the only one being suspicious of me. So why would he think about you voting me? Its a wasted vote, and a weird point for you to bring up. | ||
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Pretty sure that's what Palmar was getting at in one of his last posts. Also Trfel, that's not alignment indicative. Town has more of a reason to be interested in a flip here to see if he won the game. He didn't but since he is here, he posts anyway. Not the best post but he posted. Unless it happened during me typing up this post, the only one not reacting is JJB. | ||
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On February 23 2015 09:38 zlefin wrote: I'm annoyed at you about this. Please don't misrepresent my position. I stated my position VERY clearly and repeatedly in thread. I never said you were all town and tere was scum. I said it was the best lynch by a sufficiently large margin that that wasn't going to change with more analysis. WTF is this post?! If you feel she's the best lynch, you think she's scum. By poe, you think everyone not her is town. If that's not true, you don't think she's scum. IF YOU DONT THINK SHES SCUM, WTF WERE YOU VOTING HER?! OK. Be annoyed. I'm not here to coddle you. I'm sorry you feel I misrepresented you. I don't feel that way. | ||
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On February 23 2015 09:39 zlefin wrote: You only knew that you were right after the fact, before that it was an educated guess only. I'm done sparing feelings. Bad post is bad. I capitalized the word KNOW for the exact reason you made this post. The sentence is a very clear "I feel stronger about it now that I KNOW I'm right" inferring I didn't know I was right beforehand. Thank you for paraphrasing what I said but wording it so that it reflects negatively on me. Trfel, you casing Zlefin? You seem to think JJB isn't the lynch here. You are who I least suspect. If you stick by your hints, I assume you'll be looking into Zlefin. | ||
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I'd be making a huge mistake in not listening to anything and everything you have to say, Trfel, especially in regards to lylo and me being tunneled. I'll consider everything and anything put into this thread from anyone, at this point. I asked you to do the same with my JJB case. I don't like your reaction to it, but that's ego and me thinking I'm right, nothing else. JJB, you know what? I might be. And you've been the lylo mislynch before. As you mentioned, I mislynched you. I really don't want to be put into this same position again. To answer you, if my reads on you are wrong, I lose. I want to win. This sucks. So if you are indeed town, I'm about to ask you, actually beg you, to come back with something useful and start reading town to me. Honestly, I don't see myself diving JJB's filter after all the time I spent on it last night. I'll be looking into Zlefin tonight. This could be a fatal mistake but I don't care, there is no way I'm lynching Trfel tomorrow. At all. I may skim your filter after I'm done with Zlefin but I'm pretty sure I won't come up with anything on you, especially anything new. To me, JJB's filter looked more damning than Zlefin's, but Zlefin's wasn't THAT much better. I might just case Zlefin with a full filter analysis like I did JJB. It'll be helpful to compare the two, and see you compare the two. This is why I asked you if you planned on casing Zlefin. If you are, would you rather I wait or go first? Or set an agreed upon time to post it? I leave work in 2 hours. I'll probably be looking at the same timeframe as I did for last night's JJB case. Understand that I am only doing this because in lylo, with or without me, I want to see town win and want to give you the best chances. And like I said yesterday, worst thing Town can do is start a Day already decided on a lynch. I was right because that led to a Palmer mislynch. I'm taking my own advice here. | ||
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List the 4 of us from most likely to be scum to least likely to be scum, objectively, and be as honest as possible. I will view statements such as "I know I'm town so I'm least likely to be scum" as an unwillingness to discuss and cooperate and taking the easy way out. The more examples you can provide, the better. | ||
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On February 23 2015 11:29 Trfel wrote: Here's where we stand. I am town. I am very confident that The Shining is town, and I think that assuming I die tonight, I will need to be willing to accept losing to mafia!The Shining (The Shining, if you are mafia, your play has been truly inspired). If I don't die tonight, maybe I can find some time to reread him, but I will play assuming that I die tonight. Fortunately, we will have at least one very likely town alive for LYLO, so our chances of RNG lynching scum are about 50%. I think that jarjarbinks is town and that zlefin is scum. The Shining thinks that zlefin is town and jarjarbinks is scum. This is the perfect opportunity for mafia night kill WIFOM, and therefore at least The Shining and I (Trfel) need to take into full consideration the reads of the dead player. And to be honest, if we can set this lynch before the end of the night, I don't think that's bad. I don't think we will be able to, as we don't have enough time, but that would be ideal to me. I'm going to go reread the entire thread. I don't know if I am going to case zlefin. While it would be good to case both zlefin and jarjarbinks and see what is stronger, I don't think I have the luxury of that. I would prefer to figure out conclusively which of them is scum, and then they actually won't even need to be cased. The likely scenario is that one of me (Trfel) or The Shining dies. Zlefin and jarjarbinks will probably vote for each other, leaving whichever of me and The Shining is alive to choose the lynch, so really a case isn't entirely necessary. Just saw this post. Heh. I honestly feel flattered that you really believe I could improve my scum game that immensely from one game to the next. I've also had these exact thoughts, BTW. If you're mafia, you pocketed the hell out of me N2 and I never looked back. That's how good your town read is. Also agree with the night kill wifom point. I think I actually mentioned that in a recent post. Its why I think I die tonight. NK = wifom. Me as NK after JJB case = ultimate wifom. JJB kills the person most set on lynching him? Or Zlefin kills the person most likely to mislynch JJB to frame JJB? I don't see it being very likely that we agree on a lynch tonight. I think I'll do that, too(reread the game from D1 up to now). And Trfel, it would be ideal to have you case both and compare but it is a bit extreme given time restraints and I already have a JJB case up. Feel free to compare mine instead after I do Zlefin. Also agree with that being the most likely lynch scenario. Hence my question last post. Their answers will be useful, to say the least. | ||
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Zlefin really picked up on his post count and effort tonight right before lylo, huh? That is a bit suspect. His filter and play today, along with the points Trfel put out on him, actually look pretty bad. There will be 48 more hours after EoN to decide on it but first impression, Zlefin does seem to be very cool and calculated. Trfel brought up a few interesting points and I think from them I can see where he sees some of JJB's posting as coming from somewhere genuine and townie, whereas Zlefin has a certain detachment and caution in everything he says and does. | ||
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Overall very very fun game, I learned a lot and was impressed with a lot of people's play. I am also 100% cosigning everything Palmar said lol. GG 10/10 would newbtown again | ||
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On March 02 2015 09:51 Fecalfeast wrote: This insult? D'awwww. You should also avoid robik, rayn, geript... Honestly just avoid all the vets. QFT. I have read a rayn game, played with Geript, not sure on Robik but I'll trust FF here. Sorry you were offended by it. I've learned that things can get heated here, especially when townies have a scum read and are actively trying to solve the game. Just gotta try to have thick skin. And avoid all the vets lol. | ||
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