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On February 19 2015 06:05 Tere wrote: This post feels as towny as fuck to me. It's enough to move him off my autolynch pile - before this I was going to place a vote as the best option. It comes from a real place of emotion that is horribly hard to fake, IMO. Moving Elyas up my town - scum pile towards town. Lurkers beware  Are you able to explain to me how this post could be only coming from a town perspective? There's a disclaimer for only having a certain amount of time, leaving an open door in case an uncomfortable question gets asked. And an appeal to emotion instead of an actual reaction to your post. | ||
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On February 19 2015 08:54 Tere wrote: I'm willing to die for a one for one, what about you? I'm reading "I'm willing to win the game for scum right now" if you are in fact town. I already stated earlier I don't care about me being mislynched anymore. My vote is on you. If town is onboard, they vote with me. Or they vote against me. When I flip town, they'll want to lynch you until you manage to WOT your way out of it and win for scum. I'll even go first, if that's what you want. Of course, town votes decide it. I just need the townies here to promise me they will reevaluate what little I have been able to give them after I flip. | ||
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On February 19 2015 08:48 ElyAs wrote: I don't know. I really don't. Your play has been consistent with what you said in the beginning (about voting analysis and hunting inconsistences) and your case on Tere is also consistent. But I'm not moving with my read on Tere, so you're either misguided town or scum in my eyes. For now I can't decide so slight scum. zlefin asked for a list of reads, here it is : Townish : Trfel, Tere, ElyAs Null : JJB (need to filter dive), zlefin (want to filter dive too, my earlier scumread on you feels misguided to me.) Slight scumread : The Shining Scummy : Silverarte. I really want to finish filter diving before casting my vote, but if I don't find a better lynch I'm okay with lynching Silver. It's getting late, I'll have more tomorrow. Something is off. Ely has an unwillingness to even consider the idea that his read on Tere might be wrong, whereas even now, I'm still weary I may mistakenly mislynch. Since you can't decide, you'll just go with scum since that's what your townread is going with, right? One of you is scum but you strong towning her so hard gives me pause. And I'd rather not get hung up on unflipped association. | ||
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On February 19 2015 09:18 Tere wrote: OK. Either you are obvscum or completely misguided town at this point. I'm kinda insulted if you can read my play in any way as throwing the game for scum. Seriously. Something something (insert strong language as appropriate). If you are town, and that is what you are thinking and you think scum has won the argument, you need to wake up, stop sulking, get back to base , and stop sulking. Because, regardless of your perception, I'm on your side. Really. If your wincon is to win with town, I'm on your side. You don't have to trust me with this, but I need you to have a mode that can consider it... i'm town, and reaching out to you here. I think you are a smart and capable guy, I've read your town games, you are town to be proud of associating with. Don't check out. I'm on your side, and reaching out to you here. Don't lock down, OK? You can analyse me and decide I'm full of shit, but don't check out right now. I want town to win too. Come talk to me. You don't have to trust me right now (and I do need to sleep, it's bedtime here) but I want you to take some time out, take a deep breath, and if you are town, and want town to win, you need to come talk to me, OK? Because you are either locking down caught scum or passionate town without a lock and I have NFI right now. Just talk to me. I'm not Circe. There's no game mechanic to turn you into a pig. What harm can there be, right? Time out. I need to sleep. Talk to me, OK? I posted a post before the one you quoted here asking you a question, would you mind answering it for me? I am talking to you. I may be proud and have an ego, etc, but I'm not trying to throw here. I'm not locked down. I'm filter diving like I said I would. Threw a question out at you, threw one out at ElyAs, expect more as I read and reread. Honestly, the interaction today pissed me off. But it also gave me back the motivation I lost from being in another game with a replacement. But...why are you trying to feed my ego so much? Lol. I have NFI if it's a real call to reason and look at things objectively, or scum in sheep's clothing? I seriously need to take a breather from you and reread you objectively when I get home tonight. | ||
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Can I also point out I'm somewhat reminded of how RSo and Geript went at it in Student Mafia V? Scum really likes hanging back when these kinds of interactions happen. I want everyone's reactions, please. | ||
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On February 19 2015 08:56 The Shining wrote: Are you able to explain to me how this post could be only coming from a town perspective? There's a disclaimer for only having a certain amount of time, leaving an open door in case an uncomfortable question gets asked. And an appeal to emotion instead of an actual reaction to your post. Tere, this is what I was referring to. I can see Ely making this post from either alignment in a move to earn town cred, similar to what I thought you might be doing in talking to me like I'm a baby now. However, I'm going to actively talk to you right now and tomorrow when were both here before I pass anymore judgment on you. | ||
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On February 19 2015 10:02 Tere wrote: If you are reading me like I'm talking to you like a baby, you are reading me wrong. I respect you and your intelligence. However, I really need to go to bed. We can spar in the morning? Deal?  Also quoting this to add to my filter as a reminder tomorrow. Have a goodnight Tere but I really do want to see a response to this when you wake up. | ||
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ElyAs - there is an unanswered question for you in my filter, as well. | ||
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Trfel, enjoy. I'll be here. | ||
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Silver, basically all of that. Ely blatantly says he won't budge from his read on Tere. As town, I'm personally always inclined to keep at least a 5% of healthy doubt. The only townie is a confirmed townie, IMO. Especially in a newbie game. I have trouble believing Ely is really that dead set on his read that he'd refuse to budge or be open to a case. And because he can't decide whether I'm scum or misguided town, I'm scum. Wouldn't not bring able to decide be null? Just seems to want to scum me after I scumread Tere. And after leaning town on me and agreeing my play is consistent and so were my posts. | ||
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On February 19 2015 11:06 Silverarte wrote: That's what led me to eyeing her. It's not that she doesn't give good reads or doesn't seem to put work into it. I'd say everyone here is working really hard, learning and playing. It's just those massive shifts, the sudden jump at Shining with that argument and the otherwise lack of seeming willingness to provide information that...could be due to overall playfulness or mystery, but I'm reading it more as stepping away from reads and committing. (At least, until the Gladiator call with the Shining. Which, as town, is that something you really want to risk?) Agree on her being the polarizer. How the wagons form up come EoD should be very telling, when we seem to be split like this already. And that's why I'm on her as well, Silver. And right when I was washing the bad taste of her out of my mouth and ready to be willing to look at things objectively, she quotes the question she claims not to have seen. The unwillingness almost borders on taunting but idk, could be leftover feelings from the interaction earlier. Also, that last question is WIFOM, Silver. There is no way of knowing if it is a scum bluff or a townie truly sure of her scumread. I wasn't willing to risk it because I know I flip town and it leaves you guys with only one mislynch left, with everyone blaming her for my mislynch. If she IS misguided town, its already a loss. But she really seemed willing to go that route. And now I'm drunk of WIFOM. Lol. | ||
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On February 19 2015 11:07 Trfel wrote: Oh, and I'm wondering, are people interested in me posting an analysis on the argument between The Shining and Tere? (warning, it would be rather long...) I'd rather not, and just focus on figuring out their alignments, but if multiple people (particularly The Shining and/or Tere) want me to chime in, I could do so. This goes for you as well as everyone else. Personally, I'd be happy on people clearly stating whether they believe it was town v townie if one of us is scum, post-interaction. Obviously, if one of us is scum after that in your eyes, I'd appreciate reasoning as to why. From there, go as in depth as you feel necessary. And we are all allowed to have a Lil fun, Trfel, I'm just resident scrooge tonight lol. As for Ely idk, I just don't feel right when "town" use absolutes like that. I can understand someone trying to be firm in their read and their points but if you're not allowing any wiggle room at all, and using an unproven read to then scum someone else, it doesn't feel genuine. | ||
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On February 19 2015 11:16 Silverarte wrote: Ahhhh, I see what you're saying. Just as a question (because yes, last game you all taught me the benefit of that healthy doubt), how much of this do you think is because of being new to the game? Actually being new is why this worried me so much. I still have not encountered someone new to the game who has been so sure of a town read D2. My first newbie game, we had all but confirmed townies that I was still questioning due to newbie paranoia. | ||
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