Newbie Mini Mafia LXI - Page 2

The Shining

United States2406 Posts

February 16 2015 03:20 GMT

#245

Also, so it's not a surprise.

Vote Zlefin

That's in voting thread. I'll be here at EOD, I'm off of work tomorrow and I don't like the lack of response. Could be inactivity, IRL stuff or just lurking but...my vote is where it is at.

The Shining

United States2406 Posts

February 16 2015 22:24 GMT

#504

10 pages to catch up on. Jeez.

lol I am male. He. Whatever. It's something so trivial and unimportant to finding scum that I don't bother taking away from the convo trying to correct it anymore. XD

Yes, early, I'm suspicious of you, Trfel. You opened the game. Last game you opened, you were scum. However, you just scumread for me for why I was "lol scumreading" myself. Looking at myself and my filter objectively, I can see where you're coming from. However, it could come from town OR a scum taking advantage of a weak case. Now to address your case:

- Your first bullet. I nulled you. The fact that you could make that opening as scum or town is WIFOM, but I believe Ely leaned town on you for it. Or at least said he wouldn't lynch you for it. I was simply saying I wouldn't town you for it. It isn't so much the fact that you rolled scum last game, but the fact that you rolled scum with me last game and I watched your play D1. Before my last post, I was seeing a few similarities in play but since then(your case on me included), your thoughts and pushes seem to be coming from town Trfel.

- Your second bullet. RSo is the only person here except maybe JJB that I've played more than 1 or 2 games with. Quite a few on another site and she has been in each one I've been in here. I personally haven't seen her scum game here on TL yet so everything I have on her leads to a town RSo read. A scum RSo is a lot less confident in pushes and engaging. Not to mention, the emoticons, willingness to talk and engage and think things through, reads exactly like her other town games here, at least to me.

- Your third bullet. Pressure push. I very clearly stated that I would be around before EoD and that my vote was where it was at for the time being. Zlefin was not talking and posting outside of those early posts. While I don't believe my case held enough water to be an actual D1 lynch, I do believe in the points I made and really wanted to see Zlef in the thread. The less people post, the less you have to analyze. I also did this to ElyAs, without the vote. I was trying to keep the lower activity players posting.

Mentioning WIFOM and game voting rules are not alignment indicative. However, posts like that are not actively trying to solve the game, which is what I want to see more of. And thank you for answering your own question. There were no Zlefin posts between those 3 posts. A lurker will ignore posts if they're uncomfortable or don't know how to answer them. A vote might put some motivation into them. A vote can also be used as an information gathering tool and pressure instead of just a "I WANT TO KILL THIS GUY" vote. But if I don't push it as if it's real, it doesn't gain any traction and the play goes nowhere.

And that last part of your case. My god, take a joke. "I'd scum you if I hadn't actually read the post." I actually did read the post and found a few townie points in it. It was a joke implying all walls of texts are scum-based when they are obviously not. I myself have a WOT playstyle.

Also, bringing this over from the voting thread:
##Unvote

Zlefin has a presence now and I haven't caught up on anything else since I saw Trfel's case on me so I'll be doing that now.

The Shining

United States2406 Posts

February 16 2015 22:28 GMT

#508

I am around, just on page 20 right now, so give me a little bit.

The Shining

United States2406 Posts

February 16 2015 23:39 GMT

#540

Sry guys, on mobile, I had to go to my moms and its really hard to read on my phone. =/ Went and voted for Hier in voting thread, sheeping my town read honestly.

The Shining

United States2406 Posts

February 17 2015 22:25 GMT

#725

First impression: Tere is doing a whole lot of nothing with a whole lot of posts. How many times can you reference how much you're able to help us, how useful you are and how you expect to die tonight? Seems you're trying way too hard to convince us you're more likely to die than anyone else, without giving us any proof as to why. And you really shouldn't, either, you've already breadcrumbed way more than enough.

Yeah, you're going to be my filter dive before EoN, getting on that now. I'm here, questions for me? Other than who my top 2 scumreads are, which I won't divulge until after EoN?

The question I did see towards me was who I was sheeping when I switched votes. That was RSoultin. And I still think she's town and believed in her case against him, as did I. Silver was the 2nd vote on him and although her posts are long and she seems active to engage, that does nothing for me alignment-wise and it doesn't escape me that vote analysis-wise, it could be scum helping push a mislynch. Not scumreading Silver but definitely want to look into her filter, too. It was an early vote that I feel came before she really had a presence in the thread.

And yeah there's a LOT for me to still catch up on, I only read through everything once. Filter time.

The Shining

United States2406 Posts

February 17 2015 22:36 GMT

#727

Oh, another thing. Trfel, care to address something for me? I forgot to bring this up earlier. When you cased me, you left yourself a little disclaimer that it was late and you'd revisit it in the morning. You also asked for a sanity check on me. You also came back the next day, cased me again and once I gave you an adequate response(which I'm not seeing many others sold on it), basically left it alone. Now you're not so sure on Tere's read on me, which is your case shrunken down(don't like the opening, defensive), but the fact remains it was originally your case.

So what exactly changed your mind about me? You say things you brought up about me are scummy. But see some real scumhunting in my filter. At that point, it seems you may have been fishing to see general thread sentiment about me. Now Tere during night phase brings up the same thing and you're unsure about her scumreading me? Are you trying to distance yourself from a 2nd mislynch?

Also, you were vocally against the Hier lynch. Trying to get some deniability for the inevitable mislynch you knew was coming? And you were really defensive about how suspicious I was of you from the very beginning of the game. You also seem to think you're invincible(one of your posts mentioned you'd never be lynched due to filter size) when all townies are equally likely to die.

Yeah, I'll be back with thoughts on Tere and a possible case on Truffle. Rereading your filter better be super townie to me.

The Shining

United States2406 Posts

February 17 2015 22:50 GMT

#730

Yeah but in it you posted a bit where you said I mentioned my push on Zlef was "slight" as if I were trying to distance myself from the lynch? Which is exactly what you did in that same post by saying you were sleepy and might need to revisit it.

And you, you haven't actually CLEARLY stated it, or I wouldn't be pinging on it. This was your reasoning:

On February 17 2015 05:43 Trfel wrote:

Show nested quote +

On February 17 2015 05:41 rsoultin wrote:

On February 17 2015 05:37 Trfel wrote:

On February 17 2015 05:34 rsoultin wrote:

On February 17 2015 05:30 Trfel wrote:

On February 17 2015 05:26 rsoultin wrote:

On February 17 2015 05:22 Trfel wrote:

On February 17 2015 05:18 Tere wrote:
Trfel, since I think you are probably town and having a paranoia moment, how can I reach out to you and help with this?

You could get killed on night 1 so I don't have to worry about it?

In all seriousness, I am (or at least I like to think I am) a better player than to let it have a significant affect on my play. And I am typically suspicious when the general crowd does something quickly (in this case, townreading you). So, don't worry about me, I can take care of myself.

Rsoultin, I don't really think it is necessary to say that you are more experienced than Hier. Someone can make amazing arguments in their first game ever, or horrible arguments in their hundredth game.

Also, while I don't have trouble figuring out where you stand from your posts, I suppose it is possible that someone might.

Read his case, Trfel. It was in response to his disclaimer xP The statement had nothing to do with who was or wasn't right. In fact, please read his entire case closely, since you haven't yet.

I have in fact read it. He's stated that you could just be an inexperienced player at least once before. While I find this notion humorous, I still don't think that you needed to emphasize that you are more experienced than he is. Whatever, I guess it shouldn't be a big deal, and I shouldn't fuss over it.

Okay, maybe I didn't lol.

I don't get where he's coming from as town...but as scum throwing that in there if he somehow does manage to mislynch me xP doubtful unless people just fall for the big shiny case strat...gives him something to go back to and say oops about.

You're a better player than to get mislynched. Don't be silly. If we actually get enough votes to lynch you, you are going to flip scum, or you gave up on the game.

So I guess we're down to Hier or zlefin? And I really don't like a zlefin lynch.

Unless you still want Shining? I could see him being scum, but I don't want him over Hier at present lol

Nah, man, I've been mislynched twice. On the same day, ironically. It happens lol. But I was actually talking to intent. I expressly said how much I've played to Tere earlier, so it's not a secret -shrugs- Course, he could just not be reading.

I guess I don't want to lynch The Shining at the moment. While I still believe that the things I brought up look scummy, as I stated at the time, several other parts of his filter look like real scumhunting.

Were you actually mislynched twice on the same day??? I have some research to do. One of those was LYLO in Student Mafia V, right?

So you guess you don't want to lynch me but things still look scummy but things look like real scumhunting, too. It just felt too inconsistent to me.

The Shining

United States2406 Posts

February 17 2015 23:15 GMT

#736

Eh. I unfortunately like your response. If there were more inconsistencies in your filter, I might be more inclined to ram you but you're also willing to admit you were wrong and misinterpreted a few things.

Maybe I'm just weary that you're towning me for points that I've addressed that Tere is now scumreading me for. I have a tendency to believe scum give out free townreads in the hopes of earning some towncred from the free townread townie. Might need to stop being so paranoid.

Moving on.

On February 18 2015 02:45 ElyAs wrote:
I also really want to hear from The Shining, I liked his opening, but he has been missing since EOD.

I get that you didn't have a lot of time before EOD to share your reads, but I'd really like to read them. Also you started the zlefin wagon and unvoted before EOD, were you looking for someone in particular outside of zlefin / Hier ?

My irl schedule and timing made it difficult to do, but I mentioned before that my vote on Zlefin was because of a lack of thread presence and wanting to see more from him. It really was just a pressure vote, something Trfel even commented on, but I wasn't able to get back in time to get any shenanies done.

The fact that only JJB was on him and against a Hier lynch was another reason for my vote. Was scum going to protect Zlefin as scum or push him for a mislynch as town? In my experience, scum will keep 1 vote on the main wagon(Hier) and 1 off of it to avoid the blame of the mislynch. And I'm sure JJB would've looked slightly better at voting analysis time if we were both on Zlefin, instead of just him once I unvoted.

Tere, my 2 shots? Ely for lacking content and thread presence, I don't see the scumhunting really coming out of him.

And you. For the same reason. Willingness to engage and post looks good on the outside, but you haven't given me anything to work with except for...me? And ElyAs. If I'm right on ElyAs, you're setting yourself up to mislynch me as scum and either back off on your partner or bus him if his push picks up some speed.

Next post is post-Tere filterdive.

The Shining

United States2406 Posts

February 17 2015 23:23 GMT

#739

I must've missed that post in your filter, it's pretty much a damn one liner surrounded by WOT in your filter, honestly.

RSo, in my scum game, I wasn't around. Like at all. I engaged maybe once after my back-n-forth with GB in Student Mafia. I'm not doing that here. It just never helps that EoD D1 on all these games lands on Mondays, which is the equivalent of my Saturday. Errands and family life catch up with me. Today is my Sunday, a bit slower.

I can understand your bias towards me. I've been responsible for your mislynch on more than one occasion, from both alignments. Ask me something, let's talk, go for it. I like to think between other places and here, especially with last game, you can pick up on scum Shining.

And no, Trfel is not my scumread. I was leaning scum, which is why I posted what I did earlier, but I also explained in my last post after why I accept and like his response.

LET ME READ TERE DAMN IT. To answer you, if you can't pick it up off of my last post, my top scumreads are Tere - Ely.

The Shining

United States2406 Posts

February 17 2015 23:30 GMT

#741

Trfel, already responded to that.

RSo, what I meant is I believe that both scum wouldn't be on the same wagon, normally. I know I am not scum. If I had stayed on the Zlefin wagon with JJB, someone could make the case that one of us was scum and JJB would look slightly better than I would, since I started the push. I even wanted to rail JJB for being the wasted vote but I liked his defense of his vote and I truly believe he believes he was right in his reasoning.

The Shining

United States2406 Posts

February 18 2015 00:26 GMT

#764

I'm having trouble with that, too, Trfel.

I'm also having trouble with her last few reads. Pretty drunk off of WIFOM. Was she killed to immortalize your town read or frame me with her suspicions? In my experience, scum likes to kill a strong townie after they strong town a scum player. Student Mafia V, we killed GB right after he strong towned me. Trfel, you're not doing that again, are you?

I'm taking a break to go eat dinner but something isn't sitting right with that RSo kill. I'll be back.

The Shining

United States2406 Posts

February 18 2015 22:31 GMT

#872

OK, Tere. I have a really big problem with you in that on the surface, your posts look townie, some of your reads and points are original, and you put a lot of effort into your formatting and large WOTs. However, seeing as I'm now your only lynch target, you can see why I'm a bit suspicious of you.

I have a few questions to start you with. ElyAs and myself have been at the bottom of your list for a while. Now you've suddenly bumped him up to town. You also did the same with Zlefin. So who is my latest scum partner for today? You just gonna keep throwing names out there until someone doesn't defend themselves?

And pinging on my defensiveness in my posts. I don't see how this is alignment indicative in any way. If you're saying only scum is defensive, the opposite of that is town just rolls right over and dies without putting up a fight. Am I the only one that sees how stupid that sounds? "Scum needs to survive, town doesn't." Really? REALLY? If town doesn't survive, how the hell does town win? I'm pretty sure dead town can't scumhunt.

You posted a vote analysis in which every voter except the lynched and JJB were on the wagon. Although I do like the analysis in and of itself, its not necessarily accurate. First off, you misrepresent my push on Zlefin as anything other than a pressure vote, which I've already stated it was. At that time, Zlefin had little to no presence in the thread. You also conveniently made it sound like I just dropped my vote and addressed Trfel's case on me. If you had actually read my defense, my vote and the reasoning for dropping it was explained in that same response to Trfel.

You also conveniently throw in a one-liner about my top townread being RSoultin, IRT the night kill, as if that has some sort of significance. Its been mentioned countless times how RSo was all but confirmed town and townread by basically everyone. Why does my read of her have any more significance than anyone else?

Meh, WOT. Honestly I've been unmotivated this game. It happens any time someone goes AFK or punks out cuz of RNG and gets replaced. Last time(and the only time on TL) it happened to me was Scott replacing a lurker scum!Gumdrop in the last Newbie Mini. Limited experiences with replacements, who all replace unwilling scum members, is giving me a really bad bias here.

If you're town, you're misguided. If you're scum, and I seem to be the only one realistically entertaining this possibility, WP. I'll go ahead and dive Silver, Zlef and ElyAs again for some insight before my mislynch today. Quite frankly, I don't even care if it happens.

The Shining

United States2406 Posts

February 18 2015 22:37 GMT

#875

For Zlefin:

Townish: Trfel, me.
Null:JJB, Silver, Zlef(diving these filters + Ely right now)
Scummy: Tere rescinded Ely too fast off of one post, considering it was your other strong scumread besides me. So Tere - ElyAs

The Shining

United States2406 Posts

February 18 2015 22:42 GMT

#877

Lol don't even care. 3 TL games, 2 replacements. I'm out. Never playing a newbie again.

Tere - ElyAs for endgame cred.

The Shining

United States2406 Posts

February 18 2015 22:43 GMT

#879

Oh and I did. I'll afk it, too. More points for your scumread. <3

The Shining

United States2406 Posts

February 18 2015 22:49 GMT

#882

Language. That's just rude. I'll take the doubles, though, lol. Can't wait.

Don't see whose character or skill I was attacking, either. Simply stating in the only 2 Newbie games I've played, there have been replacements. It has ruined my experience, personally, so I will not participate in one again. Have to stick to Student/non-Newbie games. Its just a statistic.

A lot of salt coming from you. Guilt getting to you?

The Shining

United States2406 Posts

February 18 2015 22:50 GMT

#883

Well regardless if its a play or not, your saltiness and personal affront to it pretty much makes it moot, now, doesn't it?

The Shining

United States2406 Posts

February 18 2015 22:51 GMT

#884

And you reacting at all is funny. A townie would've said "well screw it clear scum" and moved on after lynching me, instead of being willing to go head to head with me in the thread and fill it up with tit for tat.

The Shining

United States2406 Posts

February 18 2015 23:31 GMT

#895

Pointless post is pointless. GB2GT.

The Shining

United States2406 Posts

February 18 2015 23:33 GMT

#896

On February 19 2015 07:58 ElyAs wrote:
Wow. that's a lot of frustration. I've got a headache trying to figure out if you're doing this because you're scum and have nothing to lose or if you're town and frustrated to the bone.

Right now you're just promoting chaos and I don't like that.

Which do you think it is?

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