EPTVote Zlefin
That's in voting thread. I'll be here at EOD, I'm off of work tomorrow and I don't like the lack of response. Could be inactivity, IRL stuff or just lurking but...my vote is where it is at.
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The Shining
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Vote Zlefin That's in voting thread. I'll be here at EOD, I'm off of work tomorrow and I don't like the lack of response. Could be inactivity, IRL stuff or just lurking but...my vote is where it is at. | ||
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The Shining
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lol I am male. He. Whatever. It's something so trivial and unimportant to finding scum that I don't bother taking away from the convo trying to correct it anymore. XD Yes, early, I'm suspicious of you, Trfel. You opened the game. Last game you opened, you were scum. However, you just scumread for me for why I was "lol scumreading" myself. Looking at myself and my filter objectively, I can see where you're coming from. However, it could come from town OR a scum taking advantage of a weak case. Now to address your case: - Your first bullet. I nulled you. The fact that you could make that opening as scum or town is WIFOM, but I believe Ely leaned town on you for it. Or at least said he wouldn't lynch you for it. I was simply saying I wouldn't town you for it. It isn't so much the fact that you rolled scum last game, but the fact that you rolled scum with me last game and I watched your play D1. Before my last post, I was seeing a few similarities in play but since then(your case on me included), your thoughts and pushes seem to be coming from town Trfel. - Your second bullet. RSo is the only person here except maybe JJB that I've played more than 1 or 2 games with. Quite a few on another site and she has been in each one I've been in here. I personally haven't seen her scum game here on TL yet so everything I have on her leads to a town RSo read. A scum RSo is a lot less confident in pushes and engaging. Not to mention, the emoticons, willingness to talk and engage and think things through, reads exactly like her other town games here, at least to me. - Your third bullet. Pressure push. I very clearly stated that I would be around before EoD and that my vote was where it was at for the time being. Zlefin was not talking and posting outside of those early posts. While I don't believe my case held enough water to be an actual D1 lynch, I do believe in the points I made and really wanted to see Zlef in the thread. The less people post, the less you have to analyze. I also did this to ElyAs, without the vote. I was trying to keep the lower activity players posting. Mentioning WIFOM and game voting rules are not alignment indicative. However, posts like that are not actively trying to solve the game, which is what I want to see more of. And thank you for answering your own question. There were no Zlefin posts between those 3 posts. A lurker will ignore posts if they're uncomfortable or don't know how to answer them. A vote might put some motivation into them. A vote can also be used as an information gathering tool and pressure instead of just a "I WANT TO KILL THIS GUY" vote. But if I don't push it as if it's real, it doesn't gain any traction and the play goes nowhere. And that last part of your case. My god, take a joke. "I'd scum you if I hadn't actually read the post." I actually did read the post and found a few townie points in it. It was a joke implying all walls of texts are scum-based when they are obviously not. I myself have a WOT playstyle. Also, bringing this over from the voting thread: ##Unvote Zlefin has a presence now and I haven't caught up on anything else since I saw Trfel's case on me so I'll be doing that now. | ||
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Yeah, you're going to be my filter dive before EoN, getting on that now. I'm here, questions for me? Other than who my top 2 scumreads are, which I won't divulge until after EoN? The question I did see towards me was who I was sheeping when I switched votes. That was RSoultin. And I still think she's town and believed in her case against him, as did I. Silver was the 2nd vote on him and although her posts are long and she seems active to engage, that does nothing for me alignment-wise and it doesn't escape me that vote analysis-wise, it could be scum helping push a mislynch. Not scumreading Silver but definitely want to look into her filter, too. It was an early vote that I feel came before she really had a presence in the thread. And yeah there's a LOT for me to still catch up on, I only read through everything once. Filter time. | ||
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The Shining
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So what exactly changed your mind about me? You say things you brought up about me are scummy. But see some real scumhunting in my filter. At that point, it seems you may have been fishing to see general thread sentiment about me. Now Tere during night phase brings up the same thing and you're unsure about her scumreading me? Are you trying to distance yourself from a 2nd mislynch? Also, you were vocally against the Hier lynch. Trying to get some deniability for the inevitable mislynch you knew was coming? And you were really defensive about how suspicious I was of you from the very beginning of the game. You also seem to think you're invincible(one of your posts mentioned you'd never be lynched due to filter size) when all townies are equally likely to die. Yeah, I'll be back with thoughts on Tere and a possible case on Truffle. Rereading your filter better be super townie to me. | ||
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The Shining
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And you, you haven't actually CLEARLY stated it, or I wouldn't be pinging on it. This was your reasoning: On February 17 2015 05:43 Trfel wrote: I guess I don't want to lynch The Shining at the moment. While I still believe that the things I brought up look scummy, as I stated at the time, several other parts of his filter look like real scumhunting. Were you actually mislynched twice on the same day??? I have some research to do. One of those was LYLO in Student Mafia V, right? So you guess you don't want to lynch me but things still look scummy but things look like real scumhunting, too. It just felt too inconsistent to me. | ||
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The Shining
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Maybe I'm just weary that you're towning me for points that I've addressed that Tere is now scumreading me for. I have a tendency to believe scum give out free townreads in the hopes of earning some towncred from the free townread townie. Might need to stop being so paranoid. Moving on. On February 18 2015 02:45 ElyAs wrote: I also really want to hear from The Shining, I liked his opening, but he has been missing since EOD. I get that you didn't have a lot of time before EOD to share your reads, but I'd really like to read them. Also you started the zlefin wagon and unvoted before EOD, were you looking for someone in particular outside of zlefin / Hier ? My irl schedule and timing made it difficult to do, but I mentioned before that my vote on Zlefin was because of a lack of thread presence and wanting to see more from him. It really was just a pressure vote, something Trfel even commented on, but I wasn't able to get back in time to get any shenanies done. The fact that only JJB was on him and against a Hier lynch was another reason for my vote. Was scum going to protect Zlefin as scum or push him for a mislynch as town? In my experience, scum will keep 1 vote on the main wagon(Hier) and 1 off of it to avoid the blame of the mislynch. And I'm sure JJB would've looked slightly better at voting analysis time if we were both on Zlefin, instead of just him once I unvoted. Tere, my 2 shots? Ely for lacking content and thread presence, I don't see the scumhunting really coming out of him. And you. For the same reason. Willingness to engage and post looks good on the outside, but you haven't given me anything to work with except for...me? And ElyAs. If I'm right on ElyAs, you're setting yourself up to mislynch me as scum and either back off on your partner or bus him if his push picks up some speed. Next post is post-Tere filterdive. | ||
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The Shining
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RSo, in my scum game, I wasn't around. Like at all. I engaged maybe once after my back-n-forth with GB in Student Mafia. I'm not doing that here. It just never helps that EoD D1 on all these games lands on Mondays, which is the equivalent of my Saturday. Errands and family life catch up with me. Today is my Sunday, a bit slower. I can understand your bias towards me. I've been responsible for your mislynch on more than one occasion, from both alignments. Ask me something, let's talk, go for it. I like to think between other places and here, especially with last game, you can pick up on scum Shining. And no, Trfel is not my scumread. I was leaning scum, which is why I posted what I did earlier, but I also explained in my last post after why I accept and like his response. LET ME READ TERE DAMN IT. To answer you, if you can't pick it up off of my last post, my top scumreads are Tere - Ely. | ||
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The Shining
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RSo, what I meant is I believe that both scum wouldn't be on the same wagon, normally. I know I am not scum. If I had stayed on the Zlefin wagon with JJB, someone could make the case that one of us was scum and JJB would look slightly better than I would, since I started the push. I even wanted to rail JJB for being the wasted vote but I liked his defense of his vote and I truly believe he believes he was right in his reasoning. | ||
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The Shining
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I'm also having trouble with her last few reads. Pretty drunk off of WIFOM. Was she killed to immortalize your town read or frame me with her suspicions? In my experience, scum likes to kill a strong townie after they strong town a scum player. Student Mafia V, we killed GB right after he strong towned me. Trfel, you're not doing that again, are you? I'm taking a break to go eat dinner but something isn't sitting right with that RSo kill. I'll be back. | ||
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The Shining
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I have a few questions to start you with. ElyAs and myself have been at the bottom of your list for a while. Now you've suddenly bumped him up to town. You also did the same with Zlefin. So who is my latest scum partner for today? You just gonna keep throwing names out there until someone doesn't defend themselves? And pinging on my defensiveness in my posts. I don't see how this is alignment indicative in any way. If you're saying only scum is defensive, the opposite of that is town just rolls right over and dies without putting up a fight. Am I the only one that sees how stupid that sounds? "Scum needs to survive, town doesn't." Really? REALLY? If town doesn't survive, how the hell does town win? I'm pretty sure dead town can't scumhunt. You posted a vote analysis in which every voter except the lynched and JJB were on the wagon. Although I do like the analysis in and of itself, its not necessarily accurate. First off, you misrepresent my push on Zlefin as anything other than a pressure vote, which I've already stated it was. At that time, Zlefin had little to no presence in the thread. You also conveniently made it sound like I just dropped my vote and addressed Trfel's case on me. If you had actually read my defense, my vote and the reasoning for dropping it was explained in that same response to Trfel. You also conveniently throw in a one-liner about my top townread being RSoultin, IRT the night kill, as if that has some sort of significance. Its been mentioned countless times how RSo was all but confirmed town and townread by basically everyone. Why does my read of her have any more significance than anyone else? Meh, WOT. Honestly I've been unmotivated this game. It happens any time someone goes AFK or punks out cuz of RNG and gets replaced. Last time(and the only time on TL) it happened to me was Scott replacing a lurker scum!Gumdrop in the last Newbie Mini. Limited experiences with replacements, who all replace unwilling scum members, is giving me a really bad bias here. If you're town, you're misguided. If you're scum, and I seem to be the only one realistically entertaining this possibility, WP. I'll go ahead and dive Silver, Zlef and ElyAs again for some insight before my mislynch today. Quite frankly, I don't even care if it happens. | ||
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The Shining
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Townish: Trfel, me. Null:JJB, Silver, Zlef(diving these filters + Ely right now) Scummy: Tere rescinded Ely too fast off of one post, considering it was your other strong scumread besides me. So Tere - ElyAs | ||
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The Shining
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Tere - ElyAs for endgame cred. | ||
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The Shining
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Don't see whose character or skill I was attacking, either. Simply stating in the only 2 Newbie games I've played, there have been replacements. It has ruined my experience, personally, so I will not participate in one again. Have to stick to Student/non-Newbie games. Its just a statistic. A lot of salt coming from you. Guilt getting to you? | ||
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On February 19 2015 07:58 ElyAs wrote: Wow. that's a lot of frustration. I've got a headache trying to figure out if you're doing this because you're scum and have nothing to lose or if you're town and frustrated to the bone. Right now you're just promoting chaos and I don't like that. Which do you think it is? | ||
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