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Hier
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On February 17 2015 05:06 Tere wrote: So, the only person you aren't scum reading is ElyAs, based on that, right? What? Did you even read any of that? And don't worry, my cases typically take longer than 5 minutes to write up. | ||
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Hier
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Hier
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On February 17 2015 05:31 rsoultin wrote: Hier...I'm trying really hard not to tunnel you. If you're saying that Tere is your other scumread and are only now reading her fiter...gah -_- you do realize how bad this looks, don't you? I mean, it doesn't escape you, right? What were your initial reasons for your scumread on Tere? She was reaching with her initial assessments. She needed something to establish convincing player analyses. Saying jarjarbinks is likely a town player because of his spreadsheet? There was no spreadsheet. Similarly I could have said I made a spreadsheet, would I get points? Not to mention I corrected jarjarbinks's math in one of my posts. Calling you a "Known town or towny" because of your explanation of WIFOM for zlefin? Laughable. | ||
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Hier
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On February 17 2015 05:42 Tere wrote: Ballsacks, I make my view of you pretty damn clear in the post explaining my vote, including specific posts I think are scummy, and have pointed out one of the items I think most problematic again very recently. It's hard not to see that as misrepresentation. I am trying to give you the opportunity to clear yourself but it's not going very well for me here. Are you going to answer my question? Also a bonus question, are you having fun here, it doesn't look like you are having fun? Final RFI - this might be how you are, it's possible. Can you please link your previous games at TL Mafia with alignment? I will go have a read through those filters but right now I'm not feeling a reason to move my vote. You voted for me in one post, and claimed that I could be a town player and that we need to look for counterwagons in your very next post. Sounds to me like even you thought your case against me was weak. | ||
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Hier
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On February 17 2015 05:46 rsoultin wrote: Why are you only picking some of her reasons for her reads and not others? Are you saying that those reasons make JJB and I scum? Because otherwise, I don't understand why you'd point out the spreadsheet and not how she likes JJB's easy manner...or why you'd only mention my explanation of WIFOM to zlefin when there were several other points she was townreading me on. You're right, you don't understand the point I made. No, for those reasons jarjarbinks and you could not be considered scum. Tere needed volume to establish her reputation, the quality of her posts, however, was feeble, as seen in the examples I have provided. For that reason, for such a rushed and frail attempt at alignment establishment, I strongly suspect Tere to be scum. | ||
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Hier
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On February 17 2015 05:50 Tere wrote: That's called wanting to give someone the benefit of the doubt. If it makes you feel better, you are making me more confident on my scumread every time you post. Now are you going to answer my question? In turn, your innocence fades with each of yours. Why don't you convince me that you are town, and I will answer your question (which you'll have to repost). | ||
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Hier
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Ok, ladies first. I'll be here when you post. | ||
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Hier
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Yes. I've responded to a lot of your posts. Let's change gear; show me you are town. | ||
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Hier
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On February 17 2015 05:59 Tere wrote: It's not my neck on the chopping block. I guess Hier doesn't want to defend himself  This is a team game. It makes no difference if I get lynched, so long as town wins. As of right now you are formally ignoring my request. | ||
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On February 17 2015 06:27 jarjarbinks wrote: Hier: Who do you think is more likely to turn up scum, Rso or Tere? Is there someone else you think is more likely? I've noted that rsoultin's play could be attributed to a few minor mistakes, all conglomerating to form a potential scum vibe, with a viable agenda. Tere, on the other hand, I don't think I've seen a more obvious scum play. | ||
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Hier
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On February 17 2015 06:46 Tere wrote: Well, jarjar, this is what I've got, it's not really a question, is it. It kinda bugs me that Hier's repeatedly refused to answer questions even when reposted, that's not town helpful at all IMO. But on the basis that it might be helpful for you also, I can have a stab. I'm reaching out and trying to engage with as many people as possible. On Day 1 locked townreads are very hard but it's important for me to reach out and try to understand people and see if we can work together. I wouldn't call it town block, but a lot of my initial work goes on understanding tone and getting the feel for how people play - even more important when I have no meta and you are all unknowns IMO. I've read through the thread to catch up and I've gone through all the filters and posted my thoughts on them (I am feeling better about you BTW) I've considered whether or not I am tunnelling (I don't think I am!). I've asked Hier to come back into the thread and talk to us rather than tunnelling on my scumread. I've asked Hier for alternate evidence as to playstyle so I can triangulate with known town in case he's just rubbing me up the wrong way and it's a playstyle clash. I've considered the cases for the alternate wagons and thought of alternatives. I just don't like any of them more than where I have my vote right now. Would anything else be helpful for you? Same question for Hier? This was weak, and contradictory. The very first line of your very first game-related post was you voting to have me lynched. You did not try and "reach out to me" and "engage" with me, as you have put it. You came in as scum, saw a town player having a lot of votes, and auto-voted. It's really that simple. I have said you were a scumread for me, and, as per your request to clarify, I have explained why; it has partially to do with your case against me. To you that's tunnelling. This is at least the second time you are hiding behind the word "playstyle". Anything that seems amiss about your play you attribute to your personal playstyle, thinking it successfully defends against accusations. But, as promised, I will answer your question you wanted answered at the time of the agreement: Yes, I have always intended to use the Bridges method, after having pointed out that insubordination is part of its intentionally limiting design. Naturally, being the only person to oblige by its rules is meaningless, because the Bridges is meant to be a play method, not an explicit set of rules each individual is meant to follow. | ||
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