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Newbie games are extremely difficult. You should have known that before you signed up. People afk'ing sucks. But this game is still winnable, we have capable players here, and we have 50 pages of information to work with. Any townie who lets up now, or quits, basically dooms town despite what everyone else does. | ||
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On February 19 2015 08:48 ElyAs wrote: Wait, The Shining, you refer to this post? You're right, this doesn't look very good.I don't know. I really don't. Your play has been consistent with what you said in the beginning (about voting analysis and hunting inconsistences) and your case on Tere is also consistent. But I'm not moving with my read on Tere, so you're either misguided town or scum in my eyes. For now I can't decide so slight scum. zlefin asked for a list of reads, here it is : Townish : Trfel, Tere, ElyAs Null : JJB (need to filter dive), zlefin (want to filter dive too, my earlier scumread on you feels misguided to me.) Slight scumread : The Shining Scummy : Silverarte. I really want to finish filter diving before casting my vote, but if I don't find a better lynch I'm okay with lynching Silver. It's getting late, I'll have more tomorrow. Still, it's not bad enough that this post alone will have a major affect on my read on ElyAs. | ||
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On February 19 2015 11:39 Silverarte wrote: I thought I made that clear enough. I still think he's town.Shining, I'm glad you aren't quitting. Trfel? What do you think of Ely as of right now? (In light of what you posted above to Shining) To be fair, my reads don't change very much unless something really big happens or I take a detailed look at someone's filter. The last few times I filter dove ElyAs, I had a fairly comfortable town read. I'm not going to change that because of one post which is probably the result of him mis-stating something. Of course he is on my list to read again, and at that time maybe my read will change. But I hope you can understand why I don't see reading ElyAs as my top priority at this time. | ||
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Yes, I am a extreme doubter and a pessimist. I argue everything towards null. Deal with it. | ||
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Am I still reading town to you? If not, why? If so, can you explain why you changed your read on me from scum to town? | ||
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I've noticed that whenever I post a read, that same read is often used later by others. Maybe if I hold my reads to myself for a while, I can see more of who is doing original thinking and who isn't. Maybe I'll give that a try for a bit, at least I can test The Shining. | ||
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On February 19 2015 12:11 The Shining wrote: Thanks, that makes a lot of sense. I like it.+ Show Spoiler + On February 18 2015 07:50 The Shining wrote: Yeah but in it you posted a bit where you said I mentioned my push on Zlef was "slight" as if I were trying to distance myself from the lynch? Which is exactly what you did in that same post by saying you were sleepy and might need to revisit it. And you, you haven't actually CLEARLY stated it, or I wouldn't be pinging on it. This was your reasoning: So you guess you don't want to lynch me but things still look scummy but things look like real scumhunting, too. It just felt too inconsistent to me. + Show Spoiler + On February 18 2015 07:58 Trfel wrote: Is it not wrong to allow for the possibility that being sleepy could negatively affect my play? In the past, I've usually played fine while extremely tired, but in my last game I made a terrible blunder at about 4:30 AM. I don't see sleepiness as being a problem to hold back my reads for, but it would be silly to not mention it as a possibility. As for distancing myself from my scumread of you, it was NOT a scumread. I found a few things I felt were suspicious, and I wanted to hear thoughts from you and other people. Believe me, if I am scumreading someone, I will make it absolutely sure that everyone knows. Some things you did looked scummy, some things you did looked fine. I concluded that the result didn't make me want to lynch you at that time. Is that a problem? The first spoiler was a post in which I was still suspicious of you. In the second spoiler is your response which I ultimately liked and gave you some town cred in my eyes. Since that post, I've been reading you as town due to your thread presence, your willingness to address literally everything in the thread and also still having a conviction in your questioning. Scum Trfel last game was wishy washy, not very committed but not very weary of who he was lynching. I'm seeing the opposite here. Strong stances with a healthy paranoia of who we may be lynching. So kudos to you if this is your scum game, its completely diff from the last one and notably so. Anyway, I'm going through your filter again right now, I'll probably have a few things to ask you about. If you have any questions for me, or anything you want me to look into next, feel free to let me know (and please please please don't say Tere, I'm putting that off for as long as possible...). | ||
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On February 16 2015 06:38 The Shining wrote: But you didn't townread me for my opening. And I was scum and put myself in the spotlight in the last game you were in.That being said, Hier is a very slight townread for me. I don't think scum would put themselves in the spotlight so early with a strategy that unwittingly favors scum. (...) Does scum, especially in a newbie game, have the balls to suggest something like that? If you answered this already, I'm sorry. I got bored reading your filter (not because it was boring, but because I think you are town and there are other things I want to look in to!), so if you have answered this already, please forgive me. If not, it would be nice to know. On February 16 2015 07:32 The Shining wrote: If this really was a pressure push, why didn't you vote right away?Zlefin has a couple of posts that lead nowhere and weak and unexplained reads. Mentions WIFOM, game voting rules, some parroting. Says Hier and RSo could both be town or both be scum but wont commit to his reads. Seems to be all for policy lynching inactives when there were only 2. How likely is it both scum members are inactive? Likely my leading candidate for a shot at D1 scum lynch. Thanks. Like I said, I think you're town, I had little problem with your filter before, and your recent argument with Tere strengthens that, if anything. | ||
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My reasoning for looking at Tere is because I'm a silly, paranoid doubter. Tere, I hope you can understand why I am still a bit suspicious of your alignment, and you can assume that I am considering you town unless I say otherwise. Note that if I can convincingly show that you are town, I will do so and that is a priority for me to focus on lynching scum targets instead. I still think that Silverarte is looking like a not bad lynch at the moment. And I would like to see some more reads from zlefin. | ||
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On February 19 2015 12:52 Silverarte wrote: I'll take a look. General reads would be useful. Can we actually get one of those simple Town/Leaning Town/Null/Leaning Scum/Scum lists from you?Tea crisis solved. >< Back. Any questions for me while I float through? | ||
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Side note, does someone mind taking a look at the early part of jarjarbinks' filter? I'm looking for something in particular. On February 16 2015 12:00 jarjarbinks wrote: Here, jarjarbinks retracts his position on The Shining. But what was the initial position? All I'm seeing is a super early game null read. You don't retract a null read.... Surely I'm missing something, right?I retract my position on the shining. Has scumhunted/given reads a lot. I like a lot of the posts too. Solid filter, despite not having many posts. Probably one of my strongest townreads right now. | ||
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Why did that take you so long to type up? Because you were doing research for it, or what? Do you still have filters you want to look through and stuff? If so, carry on. I'll take a more detailed look at your filter once I'm finished with Tere. | ||
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On February 19 2015 13:22 Silverarte wrote: Very well, good night. I might not actually get to your filter tonight, if not, first priority for tomorrow (after reading the thread, of course).I was searching for a few of them, yes. I was researching it a bit just to see if anything else had switched up for me. Also, I'm going to be heading to bed here shortly. If you have anything for me in the meantime I'm here, but otherwise, I need to hit the sack. XD | ||
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Tere, do you mind explaining the history of your read on ElyAs and why it changed? It seems to have started out as a townread for seeming to scumhunt, and then you scumread him for having an empty filter. Why the change? And then, you moved him to town based on one post (I'm fine with this, though I do note that the timing is slightly suspicious, given I had recently made it clear that I thought ElyAs was town). | ||
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On February 19 2015 13:32 The Shining wrote: Tere has no reason to avoid answering the question. I don't see it as unwillingness to read, either. So I really don't have a problem with it, it's one anomaly in a filter that seems to be focused scumhunting.Trfel, I'm sorry but I need to address this. You really have no problem with what you're reading as town Tere actually quoting the question I asked her to tell me I'm reading her wrong but still claiming to have not seen the question? Imo, it's a pretty blatant example of either unwillingness to read or avoiding the question. Tere was tired. Call that a silly excuse, I can point to lots of terrible errors I've made due to sleep deprivation. Allow me to cite Linux Mafia, the most prominent example. I thought I had IAmRobik all caught as mafia. The case was based on the fact that he claimed named VT right at the start of the game. He said the reason was so that we would know he was town and follow his lead. Then he made a bunch of terrible posts and AFK'd for the rest of Day 1. It was 4:30 AM, I was tired, and I thought he was scum. My case was based around the fact that if he was town, his claim was terrible, as that would give scum more accuracy in their night kills hitting a town role with a night action, and he failed to do anything whatsoever to follow through with the positive intention, that is making him useful as a confirmed town player. That would be a terrible town play, so I determined he had to be scum. I forgot to account for the most likely, and extremely obvious possibility that he was a town player fake claiming. | ||
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Anyway, I'll be gone for a bit. I'll check up on things when I'm done, maybe look through Silverarte's filter, but no guarantees about that. | ||
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On February 19 2015 14:14 The Shining wrote: I do like the post, but I would mind elaborating. It's a question for Tere, and not for me. If I answer, then Tere's answer holds no value at all. I mean, I guess I could answer, but I'd rather not.Ok, Trfel. I'm curious to see who agrees with you. Thank you for answering. Would you mind elaborating? Do you like Ely's post in a town context? | ||
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On February 19 2015 14:18 The Shining wrote: You're talking to me, right?Almost home, going to look into JJB. At first glance, I remember that post having context to it. Would I be correct in assuming that by you towning myself, yourself, Tere and Ely, your lynch candidate will be between Silver, Z and JJB? If so, yes, you are correct. I won't choose to specify more at this time because I really think that Tere has a point that it can be beneficial to withhold reads every so often. I've been pushing tons of reads all game long, I want to see what people do if I step back. My schedule really sucks for the lynch tomorrow, I'll be there two hours before the lynch. Most of my pushing will probably be during that time. Sorry Tere, I know you hate deadline stuff, but given my schedule, I don't see how to avoid it. You guys can help by voting for mafia, and showing why, so I don't have to force a vote switch XD Of course, I'll be there some in the earlier afternoon, just not in full capacity. | ||
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